Bc2000 (for the BCF2000 & BCR2000)

Hey, Erik!  I've sinced learned the proper way to send my .syx data to
the BCF without losing it (It turns out I wasn't saving it at all, i
now use BC manaager!)


I have gotten this far:

I have my generic remote setup in Cubase (BCF IN, BCF OUT - correct?).
 Now I see two major groups (the bottom containing a drop down menue
which contains "VST 1-16", "VST 17-32", etc., etc. - 

QUESTION:  Do these represent the 4 Encoder groups?

I have imported an .xml file downloaded from Behringer for Cubase.  It
has 32 audio and 16 midi in it.  However, I am now stuck. I loaded up
a Cubase file to see how it would react, and the faders haven't moved
at all.  Furthermore, in the bottom half of the Generic Remote
dashboard, I see all of my tracks repeatedly (Fader, Pan, Mute, Send),
but not on top (controller information).  


Forgive me if I seem to miss what to you is probably an obvious point
(I feel like the village idiot), but I do not understand how to use
this now.  It's all programmed correctly.  Am I missing something else?

I see that under device assignments, a pull down menu appears giving
you a choice of "not assigned, command, mixer, midi mixer, etc...."
for bank VST 1-16.  Hm.  Seems like i'm working it out, but I still
can't grasp it all the way...lemme see...in VST 17-32 is my Battery 3
plugin (this makes sense).  Lemme do a little more researching to form
some coherent questions....




--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Erik Hines" <sablerock@...> wrote:
>
> Hopefully I can help shed some light on things.
> 
> 1)	I don't know what exactly you're referring to with regards to the
> power button, but in the case of the BCR 2000, each PRESET represents
> a different mode or emulation. Using the (IMO) only decent manager for
> the BCR, BC MANAGER, you can create your own presets to suit your
> needs. After you have created a PRESET for the BC using the CC's you
> want, you need to setup CUBASE.
> 
>  In Cubase, you need to setup a DEVICE. Go to DEVICE->DEVICE
> SETUP->REMOTE DEVICES-> and create a GENERIC REMOTE. Here, you can
> select Cubase Parameters to control (Volumes, Pans, FX sends etc.) You
> can setup Cubase to learn from the BCR. So after you select which
> parameter you want to control, simply hit learn in the Remote Devices
> dialog in Cubase, and turn the knob you want assigned to that
> parameter. I have the BCR PRESETS and the Cubase generic Remote script
> already setup for Cubase. IF you want it, PM me at sablerock@... 
> 
> 2)	I haven't needed MIDI-OX for my BCR at all, and your method of
> pressing STORE causes me some concern. I'm not sure if you're saving
> presets correctly. I'd open BC MANAGER and use the
> `file->convert->syx-to-bcr' function. This would ensure you're saving
> presets correctly.
> 
> 3)	Encoder groups effectively QUADRUPLE the number of functions the
> PUSH ENCODERS can have PER PRESET. For example, I programmed PRESET1,
> encoder group1 to control Volume for the first 8 tracks of my daw,
> encoder group2 is the first 8 PANS of my daw, encoder group3 is the
> first 8 fx sends etc etc etc…all the while, the 3 rows of non-push
> encoders maintain their settings per PRESET1, regardless of the
> encoder group selected.
> 
> 4)	I haven't used emulation modes but once (basically an emulation of
> a Mackie HUI I beleive), and was unimpressed, Instead I created my own
> presets that controlled my gear more effectively. 
> Preset1-Cubase Tracks 1-8;  
> Preset2-Cubase Tracks 9-16; 
> Preset3-Alesis Micron(1of2); 
> Preset4 Alesis Micron (2of2); 
> Presets5 and 6-Novation Drumstation 808; 
> Presets 7 and 8 Novation Drumstation 909
> 
> 5)	Midi Learn is thoroughly documented in the MANUAL, basically
> consists of setting the BCR to learn mode, and sending the Midi
> message from your device to the BCR. I haven't needed this either, as
> the BC Manager is more effective for me..
> 
> 6)	Can't help you on this one, but if you're trying to control cubase,
> I can send you my BCR BC manager file, and my Cubase Remote Template
> 
> Hope this helps, once again I have the BCR PRESETS and the Cubase
> generic Remote script already setup for Cubase. IF you want it, PM me
> at sablerock@...
> 
> Erik
> 
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "libraclassic2" <libraclassic2@> wrote:
> >
> > Hey, all!  I just put up a post and after a bit of thought, I 
> > realized 
> > that the post would neither help me or anyone else, so here's a new 
> > post complete with REAL questions (not just frustrated rantings!).  
> > The 
> > Behringer guys say that I know far more than I give myself credit 
> > for, 
> > but my grasp on those concepts is fleeting and not long after a 
> > moment 
> > of clarity - I am back at "huh???".  So I shall waste no more of you 
> > guys' time, here's the questions (oh, there will be questions...):
> > 
> > 1.)  I've already figured out how to press one of the top buttons 
> > w/the 
> > power button to choose the emulation of my choice (Sonar, Cubase, 
> > etc.), so once inside the program of my choice, how do I (or do I) 
> > select a preset?  Is it necessary?  Why set the presets at all?
> > 
> > 2.)  I use Midi-Ox (it was the only thing that really worked for 
> > me).  
> > I have used that utility to send .syx messages to my BCF2000, locking 
> > the presets in by pressing "store" once, pressing the preset arrow 
> > keys 
> > until I get to the preset bank of my choice, and then 
> > pressing "store" 
> > again to lock them in.  Did I do this right? If so, why won't BC 
> > Manager recognize them?  BTW - why won't BC Manager receive data from 
> > my BCF2000 even though it recognizes it and can SEND data?
> > 
> > 3.)  I hear gossip about encoder groups (those 4 buttons at the top 
> > right)...um, how in name of Kansas do I use THOSE?  What do they mean 
> > to me (see my computer set-up and software used at the bottom for a 
> > slight resume of what I do)?  
> > 
> > 4.)  What's the big difference between emulation modes and presets?  
> > If 
> > I cannot change the controls while in emulation mode, then why do I 
> > need the presets?  Can I use the presets without emulation mode?
> > 
> > 5.)  I prefer MIDI-learn with some things, but how do I access that? 
> > 
> > 6.)  There is a BCF2000 manual specifically for Cubase SX3 out there, 
> > but to my chagrin, it was in FRENCH!!  Does anybody have this .pdf in 
> > English??
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > My specs/profile:
> > 
> > Computer:  
> > 
> > AMD Athlon x64 X2 5000+, 2.6ghz Dual Core
> > 4gigs (3.5 usable) DDR SDRAM
> > Windows XP SP3 (fully updated)
> > ASUS M3A78-T Motherboard
> > (2) Seagate Barracuda 7200rpm 750gig SATA HDD
> > (2) ASUS 20x DVD -/+ DVD Burners w/Lightscribe
> > 
> > Mbox Mini
> > Line 6 Toneport UX2 
> > BCD3000 (which works fine, no issues there)
> > BCF2000 (the problem child)
> > M-Audio Evolution MK-461c Controller Keyboard
> > 
> > 
> > Software in Question:
> > 
> > Cubase SX3 (this is the MAIN P.I.A. - pain in the ass)
> > Reason 3 (It works, but how do I modify the controls??)
> > Ableton Live (haven't tested with BCF or BCD yet)
> > 
> > With all that being said, I hope someone will be able to help me so 
> > that this post can help others.  For those that are going to help - 
> > thank you ever so much.  
> > 
> > Do NOT waste your time answering if you:
> > 
> > 
> > A.)  Predictably answer in language that will make no sense to most 
> > of 
> > us or 
> > 
> > B.)  Deliver a smug, sarcastic remark designed to make us feel like 
> > the 
> > last ones in class to learn how to scribble or 
> > 
> > C.)  Say "just do this/that" without telling us HOW to do it:
> > 
> > Not only will it be a waste of valuble suicide time, but it helps no 
> > one.  I'd rather get a little help from a human being, than a lot of 
> > help from a smug asshole!
> > 
> > Look forward to hearing from y'all!  Ciao!
> >
>