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New BCF2000 Owner, Almost Totally Lost

New BCF2000 Owner, Almost Totally Lost

2008-10-19 by libraclassic2

Hey, all!  I just put up a post and after a bit of thought, I 
realized 
that the post would neither help me or anyone else, so here's a new 
post complete with REAL questions (not just frustrated rantings!).  
The 
Behringer guys say that I know far more than I give myself credit 
for, 
but my grasp on those concepts is fleeting and not long after a 
moment 
of clarity - I am back at "huh???".  So I shall waste no more of you 
guys' time, here's the questions (oh, there will be questions...):

1.)  I've already figured out how to press one of the top buttons 
w/the 
power button to choose the emulation of my choice (Sonar, Cubase, 
etc.), so once inside the program of my choice, how do I (or do I) 
select a preset?  Is it necessary?  Why set the presets at all?

2.)  I use Midi-Ox (it was the only thing that really worked for 
me).  
I have used that utility to send .syx messages to my BCF2000, locking 
the presets in by pressing "store" once, pressing the preset arrow 
keys 
until I get to the preset bank of my choice, and then 
pressing "store" 
again to lock them in.  Did I do this right? If so, why won't BC 
Manager recognize them?  BTW - why won't BC Manager receive data from 
my BCF2000 even though it recognizes it and can SEND data?

3.)  I hear gossip about encoder groups (those 4 buttons at the top 
right)...um, how in name of Kansas do I use THOSE?  What do they mean 
to me (see my computer set-up and software used at the bottom for a 
slight resume of what I do)?  

4.)  What's the big difference between emulation modes and presets?  
If 
I cannot change the controls while in emulation mode, then why do I 
need the presets?  Can I use the presets without emulation mode?

5.)  I prefer MIDI-learn with some things, but how do I access that? 

6.)  There is a BCF2000 manual specifically for Cubase SX3 out there, 
but to my chagrin, it was in FRENCH!!  Does anybody have this .pdf in 
English??



My specs/profile:

Computer:  

AMD Athlon x64 X2 5000+, 2.6ghz Dual Core
4gigs (3.5 usable) DDR SDRAM
Windows XP SP3 (fully updated)
ASUS M3A78-T Motherboard
(2) Seagate Barracuda 7200rpm 750gig SATA HDD
(2) ASUS 20x DVD -/+ DVD Burners w/Lightscribe

Mbox Mini
Line 6 Toneport UX2 
BCD3000 (which works fine, no issues there)
BCF2000 (the problem child)
M-Audio Evolution MK-461c Controller Keyboard


Software in Question:

Cubase SX3 (this is the MAIN P.I.A. - pain in the ass)
Reason 3 (It works, but how do I modify the controls??)
Ableton Live (haven't tested with BCF or BCD yet)

With all that being said, I hope someone will be able to help me so 
that this post can help others.  For those that are going to help - 
thank you ever so much.  

Do NOT waste your time answering if you:


A.)  Predictably answer in language that will make no sense to most 
of 
us or 

B.)  Deliver a smug, sarcastic remark designed to make us feel like 
the 
last ones in class to learn how to scribble or 

C.)  Say "just do this/that" without telling us HOW to do it:

Not only will it be a waste of valuble suicide time, but it helps no 
one.  I'd rather get a little help from a human being, than a lot of 
help from a smug asshole!

Look forward to hearing from y'all!  Ciao!

Re: New BCF2000 Owner, Almost Totally Lost

2008-10-19 by ashwinkumar

mate!!. the best way to use bcf with cubase  is in mackie emulation. 

here is a laymans way how to do it

there is one of small tutorial which was written by me for bcf users 
on
cubase on kvr have a look at it its the same for bcr too i post it 
here

am able to control all the vst parameters with the knobs in the bcf
and volume by faders for the start. i am also able to control the 
mixer
in host cubase in same mode (ncc)

for it the requirement is to have midiyoke and huskervu ( a software
similar to bcfview). install midiyoke

first switch on the bcf in nnc mode by pressing 2nd button while
powerup. now start the huskervu application( for installing this free
utility u need ms net framework 1.1.432 which u can download by
googling). then power up cubase sx3/ nuendo 3. in the device tab and
device setup add mackie control as remote. configure input: bcf2000
(01) and output as midiyoke:1 . rightclick on huskervu blue interface
configure midi input as midiyoke:1 and midi output as bcf 2000

now press ok on device setup in cubase. huskervu must show cubase
version and pan left right or something.

next step is to add a newproject and midi track . in track parameters
if u have a midi keyboard configure it as in and vst as out

huskervu will show your miditracks and what vst u have chosen vst1 on
and vst name

now for controlling the vst parameter all u need to do is press first
encoder button and learn . huskervu will show the parameters u wanna
constrol and page no like 01/03 . press second encoder button to 
switch
the page and parameter and then turn the corresponding knobs in bcf to
change the parameter. when u turn the knobs the knob in vst also turns
and thats all.


i am yet to use the generic mode. i dunno the pros and cons of mackie
emulation. i just know only what i have told u people. i suppose this
is the same method used in bcr2000 as well. and i know its a little
hard in configuring and knowing about bcf as the manual is the most
stupidest thing i have seen in the world. speaks volumes of theory and
and absolutely no practical applicability.

if some one can write details about how to configure this bcf 2000 in
generic mode in a very simple way right from scratch one i would be so
thankful. as for now i am watching this thread. if u have any
clarification please do pm me or send a mail to draskum@.... ill
be more than willing to share what i know

Re: New BCF2000 Owner, Almost Totally Lost

2008-10-19 by libraclassic2

Hey, you!  Thanks so much for your help n' stuff...I was so psyched to
follow these directions...and then...BAM!  My sequencers stopped
recognizing my BCF2000 (again), it's done this before - so i'm going
to use MIDI-OX to do this in bootloader mode (right? well, I'll find
out soon enough!).  

I shall return for my instructions shortly!  Thank you so much
again...Behringer should really just give you a commission (you've
probably saved them a lot of money on frustrated refunds!)...


--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "ashwinkumar" <ashwinkumar_m@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> mate!!. the best way to use bcf with cubase  is in mackie emulation. 
> 
> here is a laymans way how to do it
> 
> there is one of small tutorial which was written by me for bcf users 
> on
> cubase on kvr have a look at it its the same for bcr too i post it 
> here
> 
> am able to control all the vst parameters with the knobs in the bcf
> and volume by faders for the start. i am also able to control the 
> mixer
> in host cubase in same mode (ncc)
> 
> for it the requirement is to have midiyoke and huskervu ( a software
> similar to bcfview). install midiyoke
> 
> first switch on the bcf in nnc mode by pressing 2nd button while
> powerup. now start the huskervu application( for installing this free
> utility u need ms net framework 1.1.432 which u can download by
> googling). then power up cubase sx3/ nuendo 3. in the device tab and
> device setup add mackie control as remote. configure input: bcf2000
> (01) and output as midiyoke:1 . rightclick on huskervu blue interface
> configure midi input as midiyoke:1 and midi output as bcf 2000
> 
> now press ok on device setup in cubase. huskervu must show cubase
> version and pan left right or something.
> 
> next step is to add a newproject and midi track . in track parameters
> if u have a midi keyboard configure it as in and vst as out
> 
> huskervu will show your miditracks and what vst u have chosen vst1 on
> and vst name
> 
> now for controlling the vst parameter all u need to do is press first
> encoder button and learn . huskervu will show the parameters u wanna
> constrol and page no like 01/03 . press second encoder button to 
> switch
> the page and parameter and then turn the corresponding knobs in bcf to
> change the parameter. when u turn the knobs the knob in vst also turns
> and thats all.
> 
> 
> i am yet to use the generic mode. i dunno the pros and cons of mackie
> emulation. i just know only what i have told u people. i suppose this
> is the same method used in bcr2000 as well. and i know its a little
> hard in configuring and knowing about bcf as the manual is the most
> stupidest thing i have seen in the world. speaks volumes of theory and
> and absolutely no practical applicability.
> 
> if some one can write details about how to configure this bcf 2000 in
> generic mode in a very simple way right from scratch one i would be so
> thankful. as for now i am watching this thread. if u have any
> clarification please do pm me or send a mail to draskum@ ill
> be more than willing to share what i know
>

Re: New BCF2000 Owner, Almost Totally Lost

2008-10-19 by libraclassic2

Crap. Now I can't reset the BCF (the update utility won't let me).  I
tried to erase all references of it from my system, but still cannot
reinstall the BCF2000 OS.  If it's not one thing, it's another....


--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "ashwinkumar" <ashwinkumar_m@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> mate!!. the best way to use bcf with cubase  is in mackie emulation. 
> 
> here is a laymans way how to do it
> 
> there is one of small tutorial which was written by me for bcf users 
> on
> cubase on kvr have a look at it its the same for bcr too i post it 
> here
> 
> am able to control all the vst parameters with the knobs in the bcf
> and volume by faders for the start. i am also able to control the 
> mixer
> in host cubase in same mode (ncc)
> 
> for it the requirement is to have midiyoke and huskervu ( a software
> similar to bcfview). install midiyoke
> 
> first switch on the bcf in nnc mode by pressing 2nd button while
> powerup. now start the huskervu application( for installing this free
> utility u need ms net framework 1.1.432 which u can download by
> googling). then power up cubase sx3/ nuendo 3. in the device tab and
> device setup add mackie control as remote. configure input: bcf2000
> (01) and output as midiyoke:1 . rightclick on huskervu blue interface
> configure midi input as midiyoke:1 and midi output as bcf 2000
> 
> now press ok on device setup in cubase. huskervu must show cubase
> version and pan left right or something.
> 
> next step is to add a newproject and midi track . in track parameters
> if u have a midi keyboard configure it as in and vst as out
> 
> huskervu will show your miditracks and what vst u have chosen vst1 on
> and vst name
> 
> now for controlling the vst parameter all u need to do is press first
> encoder button and learn . huskervu will show the parameters u wanna
> constrol and page no like 01/03 . press second encoder button to 
> switch
> the page and parameter and then turn the corresponding knobs in bcf to
> change the parameter. when u turn the knobs the knob in vst also turns
> and thats all.
> 
> 
> i am yet to use the generic mode. i dunno the pros and cons of mackie
> emulation. i just know only what i have told u people. i suppose this
> is the same method used in bcr2000 as well. and i know its a little
> hard in configuring and knowing about bcf as the manual is the most
> stupidest thing i have seen in the world. speaks volumes of theory and
> and absolutely no practical applicability.
> 
> if some one can write details about how to configure this bcf 2000 in
> generic mode in a very simple way right from scratch one i would be so
> thankful. as for now i am watching this thread. if u have any
> clarification please do pm me or send a mail to draskum@ ill
> be more than willing to share what i know
>

Re: New BCF2000 Owner, Almost Totally Lost

2008-10-19 by Mark van den Berg

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "libraclassic2" <libraclassic2@...> wrote:
> 1.)  I've already figured out how to press one of the top buttons 
> w/the 
> power button to choose the emulation of my choice (Sonar, Cubase, 
> etc.), so once inside the program of my choice, how do I (or do I) 
> select a preset?  Is it necessary?  Why set the presets at all?

> 4.)  What's the big difference between emulation modes and presets?  
> If 
> I cannot change the controls while in emulation mode, then why do I 
> need the presets?  Can I use the presets without emulation mode?

If you run the BCF in "Standard Mode" (selected on power-up via the
top button in "column 1"), you do have the 32 memory presets at your 
disposal. However, all the other modes ("MC C" etc.) are indeed 
emulation modes: the BCF simply responds as if it IS the emulated
device (e.g. Mackie), and NO presets are available. So you basically
can't change anything on the BCF in emulation mode (apart from a few
"global" settings like USB Operation Mode).

The advantage of Standard Mode (i.e. the use of presets) is that it is
flexible: you can set up the BCF in any way you like. On the other
hand, this can be frustrating, since you need to make sure that your
BCF preset and your sequencer program "understand" each other.

> 2.)  I use Midi-Ox (it was the only thing that really worked for 
> me).  
> I have used that utility to send .syx messages to my BCF2000, locking 
> the presets in by pressing "store" once, pressing the preset arrow 
> keys 
> until I get to the preset bank of my choice, and then 
> pressing "store" 
> again to lock them in.  Did I do this right?
> If so, why won't BC Manager recognize them?

In principle you can indeed send preset definitions to the BCF2000 via
MIDI-OX and save them on the BCF2000 in the way you describe. However,
you should be able to do this much easier via BC Manager.

I'm not completely sure what you mean by "syx messages": in any case
you can't simply send just ANY SysEx message to the BCF2000 in the
hope that it will be stored in a preset. So the answer to the question
"why won't BC Manager recognize them" might be that no actual preset
data has been stored. (There might be other reasons as well - see my
answer to your next question below.) There are two specific ways in
which you can define BCF presets:

1. You can upload a complete preset definition specifically written
for the BCF2000: this is a very technical business, which is what
BCF2000 editors like BC Manager can do FOR you.

2. You can use the BCF's "LEARN" option: I don't have much experience
with this myself, but I think you can go into "edit" mode for a
specific control (button/encoder/fader), then press EDIT + LEARN, then
send any MIDI data (even syx-messages) to the BCF, and that MIDI data
will then be defined as that control's MIDI output.

> BTW - why won't BC Manager receive data from 
> my BCF2000 even though it recognizes it and can SEND data?

First of all: BC Manager is primarily meant for setting up the BCF in 
"Standard Mode". When your BCF is in any emulation mode, BC Manager is
largely useless.

When your BCF is indeed in Standard Mode, BC Manager should in
principle be able to communicate with it bidirectionally.

What exactly do you mean by "why won't BC Manager receive data from my
BCF": which data are you talking about? which operation (i.e. from
which pull-down menu) have you been trying to perform?

> 3.)  I hear gossip about encoder groups (those 4 buttons at the top 
> right)...um, how in name of Kansas do I use THOSE?

These buttons select the 4 different definitions for the 8 push
encoders: both the "turn" and "push" functions. So in effect it's as
if you have not 8 push encoders, but 4 x 8 = 32.

> Software in Question:
> Reason 3 (It works, but how do I modify the controls??)

There are actually two ways in which you can use Reason with your BCF
(by the way: in both cases you should use the BCF in Standard Mode):

1. "Native" BCF2000 mode:
This is the standard (and preferable) method. You get this if you
select "Behringer BCF2000" under Edit -> Preferences -> Keyboards and
Control Surfaces. In this case Reason basically "appropriates" the
BCF2000.
(BC Manager provides an easy way to view all the mappings made by
Reason in this way - see the manual, section 17.)
If I remember correctly, in this mode you can add controls by using
Reason's "Edit Remote Override Mapping" (either by rightclicking on
the individual Reason control or by selecting Options -> Remote
Override Edit Mode from the menu). However, in my experience there is
usually little reason to do so, but you may think differently.

2. "Manual" mode:
This is very laborious (and has some disadvantages compared to
"native" mode), but you're completely free in setting up the BCF:
Under Edit -> Preferences -> Advanced Control -> Bus A, select
"BCF2000[1]", then open "REASON Hardware Device" (always the top
"instrument") and under Advanced MIDI Device you can assign each
particular MIDI channel to a particular Reason device. In this mode,
every control of every Reason device has a specific, fixed MIDI
Control Change number, as specified in Reason's "MIDI Implementation
Charts.pdf" document. So in this case you must set up one or more BCF
presets manually (e.g. via BC Manager).
I wouldn't recommended this "manual" mode, but it has at least one
advantage to "native" mode: one BCF can control Reason device
parameters in DIFFERENT Reason devices SIMULTANEOUSLY, which is (I
think) impossible in "native" mode. Still, in my experience "native"
mode is usually much easier to use.

Mark.

Re: New BCF2000 Owner, Almost Totally Lost

2008-10-19 by Mark van den Berg

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "libraclassic2" <libraclassic2@...> wrote:
> My sequencers stopped
> recognizing my BCF2000 (again), it's done this before - so i'm going
> to use MIDI-OX to do this in bootloader mode (right? well, I'll find
> out soon enough!).  

Try this to get things working:

Step 1: Make sure the BCF's firmware is OK:
Switch on the BCF: if the display briefly shows "1.10", the firmware
is OK and there is NO need to upload the firmware to the BCF (let
alone go to bootloader mode). The only situation in which you need to
upload the firmware is if the BCF shows "noOS" after power-on, but
this is very rare.
(If you DO have to upload the firmware, use MIDI-OX or BC Manager: (in
my experience at least) Behringer's own firmware upload utility
doesn't work properly.)

Step 2:
Set the BCF to Standard ("B-Control") Mode. (You can change back later
to emulation mode, but for the purpose of getting things to work,
Standard Mode is probably easier.)
If the BCF isn't in Standard Mode at the moment (i.e. the display
shows "MC C" or so), you can make it so by holding the top button in
"column 1" while powering the BCF on: you should then briefly see "bC"
in the display.

Step 3:
Assuming that you wish to use the USB connection (rather than the 
standard MIDI sockets), you should get the USB connection with the 
computer working by installing the BCF's USB driver for Windows:

First, you must set the BCF's Operation Mode to U-1/2/3/4 (U-1 is 
easiest at this stage): press EDIT + STORE, then use the push encoder
in "column 1" to select "u-1", then press EXIT. There should now be a
green light below "USB MODE" on the right-hand mini-LED panel.

Then install the USB driver: the best choice (IMHO) is Behringer's USB
driver vs. 1.2.1.3.
With the BCF switched on and its Operation Mode set to U-1/2/3/4, run
the installation program "bcr2000-driver-setup.exe". Afterwards you
should see "B-Control Midi (10/19/2005,1.2.1.3)" under "Sound, video
and game controllers" in Device Manager (accessed from the Windows
startmenu via Settings -> Control Panel -> System -> Hardware).

Unless there's a hardware fault in the USB controller on the BCF, you 
should now be able to run your various software.
Always keep in mind the mode in which the BCF is running at the
moment: for instance, BC Manager and Reason's "native" BCF2000 mode
can only communicate with the BCF properly if the BCF is in Standard Mode.

Mark.

Re: New BCF2000 Owner, Almost Totally Lost

2008-10-19 by Erik Hines

Hopefully I can help shed some light on things.

1)	I don't know what exactly you're referring to with regards to the
power button, but in the case of the BCR 2000, each PRESET represents
a different mode or emulation. Using the (IMO) only decent manager for
the BCR, BC MANAGER, you can create your own presets to suit your
needs. After you have created a PRESET for the BC using the CC's you
want, you need to setup CUBASE.

 In Cubase, you need to setup a DEVICE. Go to DEVICE->DEVICE
SETUP->REMOTE DEVICES-> and create a GENERIC REMOTE. Here, you can
select Cubase Parameters to control (Volumes, Pans, FX sends etc.) You
can setup Cubase to learn from the BCR. So after you select which
parameter you want to control, simply hit learn in the Remote Devices
dialog in Cubase, and turn the knob you want assigned to that
parameter. I have the BCR PRESETS and the Cubase generic Remote script
already setup for Cubase. IF you want it, PM me at sablerock@... 

2)	I haven't needed MIDI-OX for my BCR at all, and your method of
pressing STORE causes me some concern. I'm not sure if you're saving
presets correctly. I'd open BC MANAGER and use the
`file->convert->syx-to-bcr' function. This would ensure you're saving
presets correctly.

3)	Encoder groups effectively QUADRUPLE the number of functions the
PUSH ENCODERS can have PER PRESET. For example, I programmed PRESET1,
encoder group1 to control Volume for the first 8 tracks of my daw,
encoder group2 is the first 8 PANS of my daw, encoder group3 is the
first 8 fx sends etc etc etc
all the while, the 3 rows of non-push
encoders maintain their settings per PRESET1, regardless of the
encoder group selected.

4)	I haven't used emulation modes but once (basically an emulation of
a Mackie HUI I beleive), and was unimpressed, Instead I created my own
presets that controlled my gear more effectively. 
Preset1-Cubase Tracks 1-8;  
Preset2-Cubase Tracks 9-16; 
Preset3-Alesis Micron(1of2); 
Preset4 Alesis Micron (2of2); 
Presets5 and 6-Novation Drumstation 808; 
Presets 7 and 8 Novation Drumstation 909

5)	Midi Learn is thoroughly documented in the MANUAL, basically
consists of setting the BCR to learn mode, and sending the Midi
message from your device to the BCR. I haven't needed this either, as
the BC Manager is more effective for me..

6)	Can't help you on this one, but if you're trying to control cubase,
I can send you my BCR BC manager file, and my Cubase Remote Template

Hope this helps, once again I have the BCR PRESETS and the Cubase
generic Remote script already setup for Cubase. IF you want it, PM me
at sablerock@...

Erik

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "libraclassic2" <libraclassic2@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> Hey, all!  I just put up a post and after a bit of thought, I 
> realized 
> that the post would neither help me or anyone else, so here's a new 
> post complete with REAL questions (not just frustrated rantings!).  
> The 
> Behringer guys say that I know far more than I give myself credit 
> for, 
> but my grasp on those concepts is fleeting and not long after a 
> moment 
> of clarity - I am back at "huh???".  So I shall waste no more of you 
> guys' time, here's the questions (oh, there will be questions...):
> 
> 1.)  I've already figured out how to press one of the top buttons 
> w/the 
> power button to choose the emulation of my choice (Sonar, Cubase, 
> etc.), so once inside the program of my choice, how do I (or do I) 
> select a preset?  Is it necessary?  Why set the presets at all?
> 
> 2.)  I use Midi-Ox (it was the only thing that really worked for 
> me).  
> I have used that utility to send .syx messages to my BCF2000, locking 
> the presets in by pressing "store" once, pressing the preset arrow 
> keys 
> until I get to the preset bank of my choice, and then 
> pressing "store" 
> again to lock them in.  Did I do this right? If so, why won't BC 
> Manager recognize them?  BTW - why won't BC Manager receive data from 
> my BCF2000 even though it recognizes it and can SEND data?
> 
> 3.)  I hear gossip about encoder groups (those 4 buttons at the top 
> right)...um, how in name of Kansas do I use THOSE?  What do they mean 
> to me (see my computer set-up and software used at the bottom for a 
> slight resume of what I do)?  
> 
> 4.)  What's the big difference between emulation modes and presets?  
> If 
> I cannot change the controls while in emulation mode, then why do I 
> need the presets?  Can I use the presets without emulation mode?
> 
> 5.)  I prefer MIDI-learn with some things, but how do I access that? 
> 
> 6.)  There is a BCF2000 manual specifically for Cubase SX3 out there, 
> but to my chagrin, it was in FRENCH!!  Does anybody have this .pdf in 
> English??
> 
> 
> 
> My specs/profile:
> 
> Computer:  
> 
> AMD Athlon x64 X2 5000+, 2.6ghz Dual Core
> 4gigs (3.5 usable) DDR SDRAM
> Windows XP SP3 (fully updated)
> ASUS M3A78-T Motherboard
> (2) Seagate Barracuda 7200rpm 750gig SATA HDD
> (2) ASUS 20x DVD -/+ DVD Burners w/Lightscribe
> 
> Mbox Mini
> Line 6 Toneport UX2 
> BCD3000 (which works fine, no issues there)
> BCF2000 (the problem child)
> M-Audio Evolution MK-461c Controller Keyboard
> 
> 
> Software in Question:
> 
> Cubase SX3 (this is the MAIN P.I.A. - pain in the ass)
> Reason 3 (It works, but how do I modify the controls??)
> Ableton Live (haven't tested with BCF or BCD yet)
> 
> With all that being said, I hope someone will be able to help me so 
> that this post can help others.  For those that are going to help - 
> thank you ever so much.  
> 
> Do NOT waste your time answering if you:
> 
> 
> A.)  Predictably answer in language that will make no sense to most 
> of 
> us or 
> 
> B.)  Deliver a smug, sarcastic remark designed to make us feel like 
> the 
> last ones in class to learn how to scribble or 
> 
> C.)  Say "just do this/that" without telling us HOW to do it:
> 
> Not only will it be a waste of valuble suicide time, but it helps no 
> one.  I'd rather get a little help from a human being, than a lot of 
> help from a smug asshole!
> 
> Look forward to hearing from y'all!  Ciao!
>

Re: New BCF2000 Owner, Almost Totally Lost

2008-10-19 by libraclassic2

Hey, what's up!  It's me again. M'kay:  I've reinstalled the BCF2000
drivers (this time I wrote down what I did in case I have to do it
again).  Now it's recognizing my BCF.  Cool.  

But there's something in your instructions that I may not be doing
correctly.  Husker, MidiYoke are installed and working correctly (i
can see them, lol).  I started the BCF in "ncc" mode (2nd top button),
i then opened HuskerVu (showing nothing but title and version # -
expected), and then I fired up Cubase SX3.  Ok, here's where it gets
tricky:


I went into Devices/Midi Device Manager to install the .xml file that
came with the .zip Cubase file d/l from the Behringer site (this may
be what's wrong, i dont' know)

I don't see "Mackie Contol" anywhere (I even tried starting in bHUI
mode just to see if that made any difference, of course it didn't). 
So I chose the .xml file and created a BCF2000 device out of that
(going out to MidiYoke of course). Should I then use MIDI-OX to
re-send the Cubase .syx file to the BCF?  Will that fix it?

Here's the other settings:

I went into Devices/Device Setup/MIDI INPUTS: BCF2000 (01)  - YES
                                       Line 6 Toneport UX2 - YES
                                       The rest (midiyokes 1-8, NO)

"                              "/DEFAULT MIDI PORTS: BCF2000 IN
                                                     MIDI YOKE 1 OUT
 

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "ashwinkumar" <ashwinkumar_m@...> wrote:
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>
> mate!!. the best way to use bcf with cubase  is in mackie emulation. 
> 
> here is a laymans way how to do it
> 
> there is one of small tutorial which was written by me for bcf users 
> on
> cubase on kvr have a look at it its the same for bcr too i post it 
> here
> 
> am able to control all the vst parameters with the knobs in the bcf
> and volume by faders for the start. i am also able to control the 
> mixer
> in host cubase in same mode (ncc)
> 
> for it the requirement is to have midiyoke and huskervu ( a software
> similar to bcfview). install midiyoke
> 
> first switch on the bcf in nnc mode by pressing 2nd button while
> powerup. now start the huskervu application( for installing this free
> utility u need ms net framework 1.1.432 which u can download by
> googling). then power up cubase sx3/ nuendo 3. in the device tab and
> device setup add mackie control as remote. configure input: bcf2000
> (01) and output as midiyoke:1 . rightclick on huskervu blue interface
> configure midi input as midiyoke:1 and midi output as bcf 2000
> 
> now press ok on device setup in cubase. huskervu must show cubase
> version and pan left right or something.
> 
> next step is to add a newproject and midi track . in track parameters
> if u have a midi keyboard configure it as in and vst as out
> 
> huskervu will show your miditracks and what vst u have chosen vst1 on
> and vst name
> 
> now for controlling the vst parameter all u need to do is press first
> encoder button and learn . huskervu will show the parameters u wanna
> constrol and page no like 01/03 . press second encoder button to 
> switch
> the page and parameter and then turn the corresponding knobs in bcf to
> change the parameter. when u turn the knobs the knob in vst also turns
> and thats all.
> 
> 
> i am yet to use the generic mode. i dunno the pros and cons of mackie
> emulation. i just know only what i have told u people. i suppose this
> is the same method used in bcr2000 as well. and i know its a little
> hard in configuring and knowing about bcf as the manual is the most
> stupidest thing i have seen in the world. speaks volumes of theory and
> and absolutely no practical applicability.
> 
> if some one can write details about how to configure this bcf 2000 in
> generic mode in a very simple way right from scratch one i would be so
> thankful. as for now i am watching this thread. if u have any
> clarification please do pm me or send a mail to draskum@ ill
> be more than willing to share what i know
>

Re: New BCF2000 Owner, Almost Totally Lost

2008-10-19 by libraclassic2

Thanks a bunch, Mark!  I've got everything working, now i'm gonna read
your other posts!



--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Mark van den Berg" <markwinvdb@...> wrote:
>
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "libraclassic2" <libraclassic2@> wrote:
> > My sequencers stopped
> > recognizing my BCF2000 (again), it's done this before - so i'm going
> > to use MIDI-OX to do this in bootloader mode (right? well, I'll find
> > out soon enough!).  
> 
> Try this to get things working:
> 
> Step 1: Make sure the BCF's firmware is OK:
> Switch on the BCF: if the display briefly shows "1.10", the firmware
> is OK and there is NO need to upload the firmware to the BCF (let
> alone go to bootloader mode). The only situation in which you need to
> upload the firmware is if the BCF shows "noOS" after power-on, but
> this is very rare.
> (If you DO have to upload the firmware, use MIDI-OX or BC Manager: (in
> my experience at least) Behringer's own firmware upload utility
> doesn't work properly.)
> 
> Step 2:
> Set the BCF to Standard ("B-Control") Mode. (You can change back later
> to emulation mode, but for the purpose of getting things to work,
> Standard Mode is probably easier.)
> If the BCF isn't in Standard Mode at the moment (i.e. the display
> shows "MC C" or so), you can make it so by holding the top button in
> "column 1" while powering the BCF on: you should then briefly see "bC"
> in the display.
> 
> Step 3:
> Assuming that you wish to use the USB connection (rather than the 
> standard MIDI sockets), you should get the USB connection with the 
> computer working by installing the BCF's USB driver for Windows:
> 
> First, you must set the BCF's Operation Mode to U-1/2/3/4 (U-1 is 
> easiest at this stage): press EDIT + STORE, then use the push encoder
> in "column 1" to select "u-1", then press EXIT. There should now be a
> green light below "USB MODE" on the right-hand mini-LED panel.
> 
> Then install the USB driver: the best choice (IMHO) is Behringer's USB
> driver vs. 1.2.1.3.
> With the BCF switched on and its Operation Mode set to U-1/2/3/4, run
> the installation program "bcr2000-driver-setup.exe". Afterwards you
> should see "B-Control Midi (10/19/2005,1.2.1.3)" under "Sound, video
> and game controllers" in Device Manager (accessed from the Windows
> startmenu via Settings -> Control Panel -> System -> Hardware).
> 
> Unless there's a hardware fault in the USB controller on the BCF, you 
> should now be able to run your various software.
> Always keep in mind the mode in which the BCF is running at the
> moment: for instance, BC Manager and Reason's "native" BCF2000 mode
> can only communicate with the BCF properly if the BCF is in Standard
Mode.
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> 
> Mark.
>

Re: New BCF2000 Owner, Almost Totally Lost

2008-10-19 by libraclassic2

Thank you immensely for ALL of your help.  You and a few others are
the answers to Behringers unimaginably impractical "user guide".  

They may as well have shipped Tampons with hieroglyphics on them,
sheez...anyhoo...

I've marked any questions I have in all CAPS, and if it's in quotes,
YOU said it, lol (I should've just used the body of the reply, but oh
well)...anyhoo...


"In principle you can indeed send preset definitions to the BCF2000 via
MIDI-OX and save them on the BCF2000 in the way you describe. However,
you should be able to do this much easier via BC Manager."

"First of all: BC Manager is primarily meant for setting up the BCF in
"Standard Mode". When your BCF is in any emulation mode, BC Manager is
largely useless."


You're so right! Once I opened up BC Manager in Standard Mode, it was
able to receive all the info from the BCF!  However, all of my presets
say "simple mixer" - so am I correct in assuming that I have to
reupload my presets (I could've sworn I was doing it correctly by
uploading, pressing "store", using the preset arrows to find the bank
of choice, and then pressing "store" again, but it appears to not have
worked).  Now that BC Manager and I are on speaking terms, I have some
questions about it, if you will:


QUESTION:  What is a snapshot?  And why would I use that?

QUESTION:  What is a Request?  "                                  "?


"1. You can upload a complete preset definition specifically written
for the BCF2000: this is a very technical business, which is what
BCF2000 editors like BC Manager can do FOR you."


Ok.  I now have the preset window open and I am loading up my presets,
using the "import" function.  They are automatically going into preset
00, and I am copying them and pasting them into their appropriate slots.  

QUESTION:  Is it normal for the .syx file to automatically go into
preset slot 00?  If so, great!  If not, what should I do to fix that,
and is my "workaround" alright?



"These buttons select the 4 different definitions for the 8 push
encoders: both the "turn" and "push" functions. So in effect it's as
if you have not 8 push encoders, but 4 x 8 = 32."


OOOOOH!  Ok, so when i'm in any mode (Standard or Emulation), these
four groups of encoder presets should correspond nicely to whichever
preset or emulation mode I bring up?

QUESTION:  Do I  have to do any special  hand tricks while choosing an
encoder group?  You know - push this while pressing that, etc., etc.
Or can I just push an encoder group button and see what it does?  I
shall also refer to my manual and downloaded .pdf's.


BC Manager has received data from my BCF2000 regarding my presets (in
Standard Mode).  

QUESTION:  However, since BC Manager is largely useless when BCF is in
Emulation mode - how do I understand what is controlling what?  I
guess this is where a little experimentation helps?  

  

Thank you so much!  I look forward to hearing from you!







--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Mark van den Berg" <markwinvdb@...> wrote:
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>
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "libraclassic2" <libraclassic2@> wrote:
> > 1.)  I've already figured out how to press one of the top buttons 
> > w/the 
> > power button to choose the emulation of my choice (Sonar, Cubase, 
> > etc.), so once inside the program of my choice, how do I (or do I) 
> > select a preset?  Is it necessary?  Why set the presets at all?
> 
> > 4.)  What's the big difference between emulation modes and presets?  
> > If 
> > I cannot change the controls while in emulation mode, then why do I 
> > need the presets?  Can I use the presets without emulation mode?
> 
> If you run the BCF in "Standard Mode" (selected on power-up via the
> top button in "column 1"), you do have the 32 memory presets at your 
> disposal. However, all the other modes ("MC C" etc.) are indeed 
> emulation modes: the BCF simply responds as if it IS the emulated
> device (e.g. Mackie), and NO presets are available. So you basically
> can't change anything on the BCF in emulation mode (apart from a few
> "global" settings like USB Operation Mode).
> 
> The advantage of Standard Mode (i.e. the use of presets) is that it is
> flexible: you can set up the BCF in any way you like. On the other
> hand, this can be frustrating, since you need to make sure that your
> BCF preset and your sequencer program "understand" each other.
> 
> > 2.)  I use Midi-Ox (it was the only thing that really worked for 
> > me).  
> > I have used that utility to send .syx messages to my BCF2000, locking 
> > the presets in by pressing "store" once, pressing the preset arrow 
> > keys 
> > until I get to the preset bank of my choice, and then 
> > pressing "store" 
> > again to lock them in.  Did I do this right?
> > If so, why won't BC Manager recognize them?
> 
> In principle you can indeed send preset definitions to the BCF2000 via
> MIDI-OX and save them on the BCF2000 in the way you describe. However,
> you should be able to do this much easier via BC Manager.
> 
> I'm not completely sure what you mean by "syx messages": in any case
> you can't simply send just ANY SysEx message to the BCF2000 in the
> hope that it will be stored in a preset. So the answer to the question
> "why won't BC Manager recognize them" might be that no actual preset
> data has been stored. (There might be other reasons as well - see my
> answer to your next question below.) There are two specific ways in
> which you can define BCF presets:
> 
> 1. You can upload a complete preset definition specifically written
> for the BCF2000: this is a very technical business, which is what
> BCF2000 editors like BC Manager can do FOR you.
> 
> 2. You can use the BCF's "LEARN" option: I don't have much experience
> with this myself, but I think you can go into "edit" mode for a
> specific control (button/encoder/fader), then press EDIT + LEARN, then
> send any MIDI data (even syx-messages) to the BCF, and that MIDI data
> will then be defined as that control's MIDI output.
> 
> > BTW - why won't BC Manager receive data from 
> > my BCF2000 even though it recognizes it and can SEND data?
> 
> First of all: BC Manager is primarily meant for setting up the BCF in 
> "Standard Mode". When your BCF is in any emulation mode, BC Manager is
> largely useless.
> 
> When your BCF is indeed in Standard Mode, BC Manager should in
> principle be able to communicate with it bidirectionally.
> 
> What exactly do you mean by "why won't BC Manager receive data from my
> BCF": which data are you talking about? which operation (i.e. from
> which pull-down menu) have you been trying to perform?
> 
> > 3.)  I hear gossip about encoder groups (those 4 buttons at the top 
> > right)...um, how in name of Kansas do I use THOSE?
> 
> These buttons select the 4 different definitions for the 8 push
> encoders: both the "turn" and "push" functions. So in effect it's as
> if you have not 8 push encoders, but 4 x 8 = 32.
> 
> > Software in Question:
> > Reason 3 (It works, but how do I modify the controls??)
> 
> There are actually two ways in which you can use Reason with your BCF
> (by the way: in both cases you should use the BCF in Standard Mode):
> 
> 1. "Native" BCF2000 mode:
> This is the standard (and preferable) method. You get this if you
> select "Behringer BCF2000" under Edit -> Preferences -> Keyboards and
> Control Surfaces. In this case Reason basically "appropriates" the
> BCF2000.
> (BC Manager provides an easy way to view all the mappings made by
> Reason in this way - see the manual, section 17.)
> If I remember correctly, in this mode you can add controls by using
> Reason's "Edit Remote Override Mapping" (either by rightclicking on
> the individual Reason control or by selecting Options -> Remote
> Override Edit Mode from the menu). However, in my experience there is
> usually little reason to do so, but you may think differently.
> 
> 2. "Manual" mode:
> This is very laborious (and has some disadvantages compared to
> "native" mode), but you're completely free in setting up the BCF:
> Under Edit -> Preferences -> Advanced Control -> Bus A, select
> "BCF2000[1]", then open "REASON Hardware Device" (always the top
> "instrument") and under Advanced MIDI Device you can assign each
> particular MIDI channel to a particular Reason device. In this mode,
> every control of every Reason device has a specific, fixed MIDI
> Control Change number, as specified in Reason's "MIDI Implementation
> Charts.pdf" document. So in this case you must set up one or more BCF
> presets manually (e.g. via BC Manager).
> I wouldn't recommended this "manual" mode, but it has at least one
> advantage to "native" mode: one BCF can control Reason device
> parameters in DIFFERENT Reason devices SIMULTANEOUSLY, which is (I
> think) impossible in "native" mode. Still, in my experience "native"
> mode is usually much easier to use.
> 
> Mark.
>

Re: New BCF2000 Owner, Almost Totally Lost

2008-10-19 by libraclassic2

Way cool!  You've cleared up so much for me...I would love to have
those presets that you're talking about, I would HATE to have to sit
there for 5 weeks programming via the learn function!



--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Erik Hines" <sablerock@...> wrote:
>
> Hopefully I can help shed some light on things.
> 
> 1)	I don't know what exactly you're referring to with regards to the
> power button, but in the case of the BCR 2000, each PRESET represents
> a different mode or emulation. Using the (IMO) only decent manager for
> the BCR, BC MANAGER, you can create your own presets to suit your
> needs. After you have created a PRESET for the BC using the CC's you
> want, you need to setup CUBASE.
> 
>  In Cubase, you need to setup a DEVICE. Go to DEVICE->DEVICE
> SETUP->REMOTE DEVICES-> and create a GENERIC REMOTE. Here, you can
> select Cubase Parameters to control (Volumes, Pans, FX sends etc.) You
> can setup Cubase to learn from the BCR. So after you select which
> parameter you want to control, simply hit learn in the Remote Devices
> dialog in Cubase, and turn the knob you want assigned to that
> parameter. I have the BCR PRESETS and the Cubase generic Remote script
> already setup for Cubase. IF you want it, PM me at sablerock@... 
> 
> 2)	I haven't needed MIDI-OX for my BCR at all, and your method of
> pressing STORE causes me some concern. I'm not sure if you're saving
> presets correctly. I'd open BC MANAGER and use the
> `file->convert->syx-to-bcr' function. This would ensure you're saving
> presets correctly.
> 
> 3)	Encoder groups effectively QUADRUPLE the number of functions the
> PUSH ENCODERS can have PER PRESET. For example, I programmed PRESET1,
> encoder group1 to control Volume for the first 8 tracks of my daw,
> encoder group2 is the first 8 PANS of my daw, encoder group3 is the
> first 8 fx sends etc etc etc
all the while, the 3 rows of non-push
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> encoders maintain their settings per PRESET1, regardless of the
> encoder group selected.
> 
> 4)	I haven't used emulation modes but once (basically an emulation of
> a Mackie HUI I beleive), and was unimpressed, Instead I created my own
> presets that controlled my gear more effectively. 
> Preset1-Cubase Tracks 1-8;  
> Preset2-Cubase Tracks 9-16; 
> Preset3-Alesis Micron(1of2); 
> Preset4 Alesis Micron (2of2); 
> Presets5 and 6-Novation Drumstation 808; 
> Presets 7 and 8 Novation Drumstation 909
> 
> 5)	Midi Learn is thoroughly documented in the MANUAL, basically
> consists of setting the BCR to learn mode, and sending the Midi
> message from your device to the BCR. I haven't needed this either, as
> the BC Manager is more effective for me..
> 
> 6)	Can't help you on this one, but if you're trying to control cubase,
> I can send you my BCR BC manager file, and my Cubase Remote Template
> 
> Hope this helps, once again I have the BCR PRESETS and the Cubase
> generic Remote script already setup for Cubase. IF you want it, PM me
> at sablerock@...
> 
> Erik
> 
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "libraclassic2" <libraclassic2@> wrote:
> >
> > Hey, all!  I just put up a post and after a bit of thought, I 
> > realized 
> > that the post would neither help me or anyone else, so here's a new 
> > post complete with REAL questions (not just frustrated rantings!).  
> > The 
> > Behringer guys say that I know far more than I give myself credit 
> > for, 
> > but my grasp on those concepts is fleeting and not long after a 
> > moment 
> > of clarity - I am back at "huh???".  So I shall waste no more of you 
> > guys' time, here's the questions (oh, there will be questions...):
> > 
> > 1.)  I've already figured out how to press one of the top buttons 
> > w/the 
> > power button to choose the emulation of my choice (Sonar, Cubase, 
> > etc.), so once inside the program of my choice, how do I (or do I) 
> > select a preset?  Is it necessary?  Why set the presets at all?
> > 
> > 2.)  I use Midi-Ox (it was the only thing that really worked for 
> > me).  
> > I have used that utility to send .syx messages to my BCF2000, locking 
> > the presets in by pressing "store" once, pressing the preset arrow 
> > keys 
> > until I get to the preset bank of my choice, and then 
> > pressing "store" 
> > again to lock them in.  Did I do this right? If so, why won't BC 
> > Manager recognize them?  BTW - why won't BC Manager receive data from 
> > my BCF2000 even though it recognizes it and can SEND data?
> > 
> > 3.)  I hear gossip about encoder groups (those 4 buttons at the top 
> > right)...um, how in name of Kansas do I use THOSE?  What do they mean 
> > to me (see my computer set-up and software used at the bottom for a 
> > slight resume of what I do)?  
> > 
> > 4.)  What's the big difference between emulation modes and presets?  
> > If 
> > I cannot change the controls while in emulation mode, then why do I 
> > need the presets?  Can I use the presets without emulation mode?
> > 
> > 5.)  I prefer MIDI-learn with some things, but how do I access that? 
> > 
> > 6.)  There is a BCF2000 manual specifically for Cubase SX3 out there, 
> > but to my chagrin, it was in FRENCH!!  Does anybody have this .pdf in 
> > English??
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > My specs/profile:
> > 
> > Computer:  
> > 
> > AMD Athlon x64 X2 5000+, 2.6ghz Dual Core
> > 4gigs (3.5 usable) DDR SDRAM
> > Windows XP SP3 (fully updated)
> > ASUS M3A78-T Motherboard
> > (2) Seagate Barracuda 7200rpm 750gig SATA HDD
> > (2) ASUS 20x DVD -/+ DVD Burners w/Lightscribe
> > 
> > Mbox Mini
> > Line 6 Toneport UX2 
> > BCD3000 (which works fine, no issues there)
> > BCF2000 (the problem child)
> > M-Audio Evolution MK-461c Controller Keyboard
> > 
> > 
> > Software in Question:
> > 
> > Cubase SX3 (this is the MAIN P.I.A. - pain in the ass)
> > Reason 3 (It works, but how do I modify the controls??)
> > Ableton Live (haven't tested with BCF or BCD yet)
> > 
> > With all that being said, I hope someone will be able to help me so 
> > that this post can help others.  For those that are going to help - 
> > thank you ever so much.  
> > 
> > Do NOT waste your time answering if you:
> > 
> > 
> > A.)  Predictably answer in language that will make no sense to most 
> > of 
> > us or 
> > 
> > B.)  Deliver a smug, sarcastic remark designed to make us feel like 
> > the 
> > last ones in class to learn how to scribble or 
> > 
> > C.)  Say "just do this/that" without telling us HOW to do it:
> > 
> > Not only will it be a waste of valuble suicide time, but it helps no 
> > one.  I'd rather get a little help from a human being, than a lot of 
> > help from a smug asshole!
> > 
> > Look forward to hearing from y'all!  Ciao!
> >
>

Re: New BCF2000 Owner, Almost Totally Lost

2008-10-19 by libraclassic2

Hey, Erik!  I've sinced learned the proper way to send my .syx data to
the BCF without losing it (It turns out I wasn't saving it at all, i
now use BC manaager!)


I have gotten this far:

I have my generic remote setup in Cubase (BCF IN, BCF OUT - correct?).
 Now I see two major groups (the bottom containing a drop down menue
which contains "VST 1-16", "VST 17-32", etc., etc. - 

QUESTION:  Do these represent the 4 Encoder groups?

I have imported an .xml file downloaded from Behringer for Cubase.  It
has 32 audio and 16 midi in it.  However, I am now stuck. I loaded up
a Cubase file to see how it would react, and the faders haven't moved
at all.  Furthermore, in the bottom half of the Generic Remote
dashboard, I see all of my tracks repeatedly (Fader, Pan, Mute, Send),
but not on top (controller information).  


Forgive me if I seem to miss what to you is probably an obvious point
(I feel like the village idiot), but I do not understand how to use
this now.  It's all programmed correctly.  Am I missing something else?

I see that under device assignments, a pull down menu appears giving
you a choice of "not assigned, command, mixer, midi mixer, etc...."
for bank VST 1-16.  Hm.  Seems like i'm working it out, but I still
can't grasp it all the way...lemme see...in VST 17-32 is my Battery 3
plugin (this makes sense).  Lemme do a little more researching to form
some coherent questions....




--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Erik Hines" <sablerock@...> wrote:
>
> Hopefully I can help shed some light on things.
> 
> 1)	I don't know what exactly you're referring to with regards to the
> power button, but in the case of the BCR 2000, each PRESET represents
> a different mode or emulation. Using the (IMO) only decent manager for
> the BCR, BC MANAGER, you can create your own presets to suit your
> needs. After you have created a PRESET for the BC using the CC's you
> want, you need to setup CUBASE.
> 
>  In Cubase, you need to setup a DEVICE. Go to DEVICE->DEVICE
> SETUP->REMOTE DEVICES-> and create a GENERIC REMOTE. Here, you can
> select Cubase Parameters to control (Volumes, Pans, FX sends etc.) You
> can setup Cubase to learn from the BCR. So after you select which
> parameter you want to control, simply hit learn in the Remote Devices
> dialog in Cubase, and turn the knob you want assigned to that
> parameter. I have the BCR PRESETS and the Cubase generic Remote script
> already setup for Cubase. IF you want it, PM me at sablerock@... 
> 
> 2)	I haven't needed MIDI-OX for my BCR at all, and your method of
> pressing STORE causes me some concern. I'm not sure if you're saving
> presets correctly. I'd open BC MANAGER and use the
> `file->convert->syx-to-bcr' function. This would ensure you're saving
> presets correctly.
> 
> 3)	Encoder groups effectively QUADRUPLE the number of functions the
> PUSH ENCODERS can have PER PRESET. For example, I programmed PRESET1,
> encoder group1 to control Volume for the first 8 tracks of my daw,
> encoder group2 is the first 8 PANS of my daw, encoder group3 is the
> first 8 fx sends etc etc etc
all the while, the 3 rows of non-push
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> encoders maintain their settings per PRESET1, regardless of the
> encoder group selected.
> 
> 4)	I haven't used emulation modes but once (basically an emulation of
> a Mackie HUI I beleive), and was unimpressed, Instead I created my own
> presets that controlled my gear more effectively. 
> Preset1-Cubase Tracks 1-8;  
> Preset2-Cubase Tracks 9-16; 
> Preset3-Alesis Micron(1of2); 
> Preset4 Alesis Micron (2of2); 
> Presets5 and 6-Novation Drumstation 808; 
> Presets 7 and 8 Novation Drumstation 909
> 
> 5)	Midi Learn is thoroughly documented in the MANUAL, basically
> consists of setting the BCR to learn mode, and sending the Midi
> message from your device to the BCR. I haven't needed this either, as
> the BC Manager is more effective for me..
> 
> 6)	Can't help you on this one, but if you're trying to control cubase,
> I can send you my BCR BC manager file, and my Cubase Remote Template
> 
> Hope this helps, once again I have the BCR PRESETS and the Cubase
> generic Remote script already setup for Cubase. IF you want it, PM me
> at sablerock@...
> 
> Erik
> 
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "libraclassic2" <libraclassic2@> wrote:
> >
> > Hey, all!  I just put up a post and after a bit of thought, I 
> > realized 
> > that the post would neither help me or anyone else, so here's a new 
> > post complete with REAL questions (not just frustrated rantings!).  
> > The 
> > Behringer guys say that I know far more than I give myself credit 
> > for, 
> > but my grasp on those concepts is fleeting and not long after a 
> > moment 
> > of clarity - I am back at "huh???".  So I shall waste no more of you 
> > guys' time, here's the questions (oh, there will be questions...):
> > 
> > 1.)  I've already figured out how to press one of the top buttons 
> > w/the 
> > power button to choose the emulation of my choice (Sonar, Cubase, 
> > etc.), so once inside the program of my choice, how do I (or do I) 
> > select a preset?  Is it necessary?  Why set the presets at all?
> > 
> > 2.)  I use Midi-Ox (it was the only thing that really worked for 
> > me).  
> > I have used that utility to send .syx messages to my BCF2000, locking 
> > the presets in by pressing "store" once, pressing the preset arrow 
> > keys 
> > until I get to the preset bank of my choice, and then 
> > pressing "store" 
> > again to lock them in.  Did I do this right? If so, why won't BC 
> > Manager recognize them?  BTW - why won't BC Manager receive data from 
> > my BCF2000 even though it recognizes it and can SEND data?
> > 
> > 3.)  I hear gossip about encoder groups (those 4 buttons at the top 
> > right)...um, how in name of Kansas do I use THOSE?  What do they mean 
> > to me (see my computer set-up and software used at the bottom for a 
> > slight resume of what I do)?  
> > 
> > 4.)  What's the big difference between emulation modes and presets?  
> > If 
> > I cannot change the controls while in emulation mode, then why do I 
> > need the presets?  Can I use the presets without emulation mode?
> > 
> > 5.)  I prefer MIDI-learn with some things, but how do I access that? 
> > 
> > 6.)  There is a BCF2000 manual specifically for Cubase SX3 out there, 
> > but to my chagrin, it was in FRENCH!!  Does anybody have this .pdf in 
> > English??
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > My specs/profile:
> > 
> > Computer:  
> > 
> > AMD Athlon x64 X2 5000+, 2.6ghz Dual Core
> > 4gigs (3.5 usable) DDR SDRAM
> > Windows XP SP3 (fully updated)
> > ASUS M3A78-T Motherboard
> > (2) Seagate Barracuda 7200rpm 750gig SATA HDD
> > (2) ASUS 20x DVD -/+ DVD Burners w/Lightscribe
> > 
> > Mbox Mini
> > Line 6 Toneport UX2 
> > BCD3000 (which works fine, no issues there)
> > BCF2000 (the problem child)
> > M-Audio Evolution MK-461c Controller Keyboard
> > 
> > 
> > Software in Question:
> > 
> > Cubase SX3 (this is the MAIN P.I.A. - pain in the ass)
> > Reason 3 (It works, but how do I modify the controls??)
> > Ableton Live (haven't tested with BCF or BCD yet)
> > 
> > With all that being said, I hope someone will be able to help me so 
> > that this post can help others.  For those that are going to help - 
> > thank you ever so much.  
> > 
> > Do NOT waste your time answering if you:
> > 
> > 
> > A.)  Predictably answer in language that will make no sense to most 
> > of 
> > us or 
> > 
> > B.)  Deliver a smug, sarcastic remark designed to make us feel like 
> > the 
> > last ones in class to learn how to scribble or 
> > 
> > C.)  Say "just do this/that" without telling us HOW to do it:
> > 
> > Not only will it be a waste of valuble suicide time, but it helps no 
> > one.  I'd rather get a little help from a human being, than a lot of 
> > help from a smug asshole!
> > 
> > Look forward to hearing from y'all!  Ciao!
> >
>

Re: New BCF2000 Owner, Almost Totally Lost

2008-10-20 by ashwinkumar

I went into Devices/Midi Device Manager to install the .xml file that
came with the .zip Cubase file d/l from the Behringer site (this may
be what's wrong, i dont' know)



u need not do that at all mate. just power up bcf2000 in ncc . switch 
on huskervu. opencubase and configure a mackie control under device 
manager and configure outputs/ inputs in it as i said. and then click 
apply. thats all.ur bcf will be working. in cubase mixer. u need not 
load any xml/ sys files at all into cubase or bcf vice versa

Re: New BCF2000 Owner, Almost Totally Lost

2008-10-20 by goyya76

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "ashwinkumar" <ashwinkumar_m@...> wrote:
>
> I went into Devices/Midi Device Manager to install the .xml file that
> came with the .zip Cubase file d/l from the Behringer site (this may
> be what's wrong, i dont' know)
> 
> 
> 
> u need not do that at all mate. just power up bcf2000 in ncc . switch 
> on huskervu. opencubase and configure a mackie control under device 
> manager and configure outputs/ inputs in it as i said. and then click 
> apply. thats all.ur bcf will be working. in cubase mixer. u need not 
> load any xml/ sys files at all into cubase or bcf vice versa
>
Hi guys, as soon as i have some spare time (maybe tomorrow evening) 
i'll try to post some clearer information on how to configure the 
generic remote....in the meantime some background (i hope it's not 
redundant):

- the Generic Remote configuration panel has two parts: the upper one, 
which lists the MESSAGES sent by the hardware controller, the lower 
one, in which those messages are mapped to cubase actions
- above the upper part there's the self explaining midi in/out selection
- on the right of the lower part there's a button to add banks: given 
ONE list of MESSAGES in the upper part, each message in the list can be 
assigned to different actions, depending on the selected bank
- on the upper left corner there are +/- buttons to add/delete a 
generic remote (you can use as many GR devices as you want)

an example:

*BCF2000
- faders have been programmed to send CC1 - CC8 on channel 1, min value 
is 0, max value is 127
- encoders (first group) has been assigned C9 - CC16, same as above
*GENERIC REMOTE
- add a new generic remote
- in the upper panel, a default list appear - it can be cancelled (self 
f explaining buttons on the right)
- we can create 16 new rows and fill them with the correct data:
- we name them 
Fader1,Fader2,...Fader8,...,Encoder1,Encoder2,...,Encoder8
- we select the correct message type (drop down menu)
- we select the correct midi channel (drop down menu)
- we select the correct midi CC number (typing)
- we select the correct max value (typing)
- we select any combination of the following letters (drop down 
menu):R,T,R
R: receive: cubase will receive the message
T: transmit: cubase will send the message to the controller when you 
move on the GUI the mapped element (you pull up the fader, the HW fader 
will move up)
R: relative: select it if you programmed the BCF with relative CC 
(let's stick to absolute messages - easier!)
*IMPORTANT: you can add a row, then use the learn function and save 
time (though some manual editing may be required since the Generic 
Remote is somewhat buggy...)*

now let's move to the lower panel
- 16 rows have appeared; via drop down menu you can choose which 
actions will be mapped to the 16 controllers

more to come after lunch!

Re: New BCF2000 Owner, Almost Totally Lost

2008-10-20 by Mark van den Berg

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "libraclassic2" <libraclassic2@...> wrote:
> Once I opened up BC Manager in Standard Mode, it was
> able to receive all the info from the BCF!  However, all of my presets
> say "simple mixer" - so am I correct in assuming that I have to
> reupload my presets (I could've sworn I was doing it correctly by
> uploading, pressing "store", using the preset arrows to find the bank
> of choice, and then pressing "store" again, but it appears to not have
> worked).

When the BCF is shipped from the factory, it contains 8 memory presets
(so presets 9-32 are empty): among those, "simple mixer" is preset 2.
So what must have happened is that you copied this preset 2 to all the
other presets...

In any case, to answer your question: yes, you should re-upload any
presets (either Behringer's original ones or your own) that you want
the BCF to contain. Now that you're on friendlier terms with BC
Manager, it's probably easiest to use BC Manager for that: perhaps
it's easiest to do this from the "Presets" window: once a preset is in
place (e.g. having opened its syx file), select (highlight) it, then
go to the MIDI pulldown menu and execute "Send".

By the way: if you wish to restore the original 8 presets (which you
probably don't, but anyway): they're in the file
Factory_Presets_BCF.zip, available from the Behringer website.
 
> QUESTION:  What is a snapshot?  And why would I use that?

It's a facility built into the BCF: it's a sequence of MIDI messages
sent by the BCF, specifying all the current button, encoder and fader
positions. (Typically these are mostly MIDI Control Change messages,
but this depends on your preset definition.) So it's as if you're
physically "touching" all the controls simultaneously.

So a snapshot should not be confused with the BCF preset's DEFINITION,
which is a sequence of complicated SysEx messages and specifies HOW
the preset works, but doesn't give the current, actual positions of
the buttons/encoders/faders.

A snapshot is very useful to save a particular favorite setup of (for
instance) a synthesizer: your computer program capable of receiving
MIDI data (Cubase, Sonar etc.) captures and may save the snapshot
(e.g. as a standard MIDI file), after which you can send it again (to
the synthesizer) at any later time, so that the synthesizer is set
exactly to your favorite setup.

There are several ways to trigger a snapshot.
For instance:

- From the BCF: hold the EDIT button, then press the "< PRESET" button.

- From BC Manager: execute "Receive snapshot" (see the BC Manager
manual, chapter 7, for further details).

- A bit more advanced (and confusing, maybe...): from BC Manager you
can even record a snapshot from the BCF, then put it in a BCF button's
definition and send that button's definition back to the BCF, so that
whenever you press that button on the BCF, the whole snapshot is
output. In this way you could define a BCF preset that is a collection
of synthesizer setups!

It is also possible to have the BCF send a preset's snapshot whenever
you SELECT that preset (e.g. via pressing the PRESET "<" and ">"
buttons): this is a way to ensure immediate synchronization between
the preset's current values and e.g. a synthesizer.
In BC Manager you can set this feature on/off via the "Snapshot"
checkbox on the "Settings" tab in the "Preset" dialog box.

> QUESTION:  What is a Request?  "                                  "?

Ah! From the same dialog box in BC Manager mentioned above:
If "Request" is ON, the BCF automatically sends a preset's "LEARN
output" whenever you select that preset. (If "Request" is OFF, the BCF
only sends this "LEARN output" when you press EDIT + LEARN on the BCF
itself.)

"LEARN output" is a sequence of MIDI messages that you can define for
a preset. You're completely free as to the nature of these MIDI
messages (although the total length is restricted to something like
125 bytes).

I believe that Behringer's original idea was that this "LEARN" data
sent from the BCF should be a request for settings getting sent back
FROM the other device TO the BCF: hence the name "LEARN", i.e. learned
BY tbe BCF. However, that doesn't have to happen: you can use the
"LEARN output" to just initialize a receiving synthesizer or so.

> Ok.  I now have the preset window open and I am loading up my presets,
> using the "import" function.  They are automatically going into preset
> 00, and I am copying them and pasting them into their appropriate
slots.  
> 
> QUESTION:  Is it normal for the .syx file to automatically go into
> preset slot 00?  If so, great!  If not, what should I do to fix that,
> and is my "workaround" alright?

Preset 0 is also known as the "temporary preset".
This preset exists only implicitly on the BCF: whenever a memory
preset (1-32) gets selected, that memory preset gets copied to the
temporary preset area. (In BC Manager preset 0 is EXPLICIT: you can
work with it ALMOST as any other memory preset: I say "almost" because
it has some peculiarities.)

Any manual preset editing on the BCF itself affects only the temporary
preset. That's why the STORE operation exists: STORE copies the
temporary preset to a memory preset; and of course the temporary
preset is lost when you switch to another memory preset, or switch off
the BCF.

Furthermore, it is useful to realize that any uploading of presets to
the BCF (e.g. by BC Manager) goes VIA the temporary preset on the BCF.
What happens when you upload a MEMORY preset (say: preset 6) to the
BCF, is this:
First, the BCF's temporary preset gets overwritten with the preset
data being uploaded.
Then, a "$store 6" command (appended to the data stream sent to the
BCF) tells the BCF to copy the new temporary preset data (i.e. the
preset data that has just been uploaded) to memory preset 6.

Something very similar applies to syx-files for presets: by nature any
preset definition AS SUCH is a definition for the TEMPORARY preset.
The syx-file may or may not contain a $store 1-32 command after the
preset definition as such. So if a preset file doesn't contain a
$store command at the end, BC Manager can only load that preset into
preset 0.

Syx-files saved via BC Manager's "Export selected preset(s)" operation
(from the "Presets" window via "File") DO append the $store command,
but other preset files people have made may not, in which case you
indeed have to copy them to the intended locations manually.

In accordance with the BCF itself, BC Manager's "Import" operation
(from the B-Controls window) always first loads the preset into preset
0, then if the file contains an appended $store N command, that preset
0 is copied to memory preset N.

By the way: if you wish to find out whether a preset syx file contains
a $store command, you could convert the syx file to a "txt" file (in
BC Manager's main window via File -> Convert), then open the txt file
in any text editor (e.g. Notepad), and look for "$store" at the bottom
of the file.

> "These buttons select the 4 different definitions for the 8 push
> encoders: both the "turn" and "push" functions. So in effect it's as
> if you have not 8 push encoders, but 4 x 8 = 32."

> OOOOOH!  Ok, so when i'm in any mode (Standard or Emulation), these
> four groups of encoder presets should correspond nicely to whichever
> preset or emulation mode I bring up?

> QUESTION:  Do I  have to do any special  hand tricks while choosing an
> encoder group?  You know - push this while pressing that, etc., etc.
> Or can I just push an encoder group button and see what it does?  I
> shall also refer to my manual and downloaded .pdf's.

I don't really know about the emulation modes, but for Standard Mode
it works as follows: in EACH of the 32 presets you have FOUR groups of
8 push encoder definitions available. In other words, it's as if you
have 4 mini-presets available within each preset.

So you FIRST select a particular preset, THEN (all within that single
preset!) you can switch between the four encoder groups via the
corresponding buttons on the ENCODER GROUPS panel. So at any
particular moment you can only access the 8 push and 8 turn functions
(of the 8 push encoders) in the currently selected encoder group
(1-4), but by pressing another encoder group button you can switch
directly to another encoder group, without leaving the selected preset.

Note: it depends on the preset how many encoder groups are actually
available: a preset definition have a lower amount of available
encoder groups. E.g. Reason's "native" mode support for the BCF does
this very often. In BC Manager, look at the "Encoder groups" value in
the "Settings" tab of the "Preset" dialog box.

> BC Manager has received data from my BCF2000 regarding my presets (in
> Standard Mode).  
> 
> QUESTION:  However, since BC Manager is largely useless when BCF is in
> Emulation mode - how do I understand what is controlling what?  I
> guess this is where a little experimentation helps?  

I'm afraid I can't help you in concrete terms concerning the emulation
modes, since I've hardly ever used these modes myself, but many other
people on this forum do, so they should be able to help you in this
respect. In any case you should be prepared for "a few" quirks, caused
either by the way the BCF behaves in its emulation modes or by the
expectations made by the hardware or software at the other end of the
MIDI connection.

For finding out which MIDI messages a particular knob on the BCF sends
in any emulation mode, you can always use MIDI Yoke to insert a MIDI
monitoring program like MIDI-OX (or possibly BC Manager, if you use
its "MIDI Thru" capability).

But getting a MIDI controller like the BCF and a receiving device
understand each other is often a struggle, even if you've worked with
MIDI and indeed the BCF/BCR as long as I have. So welcome to the club...

Mark.

Re: New BCF2000 Owner, Almost Totally Lost

2008-10-20 by libraclassic2

LOL, cool!  I was overdoing it! LOL, it works perfectly...now i'm
experimenting with other e-modes to test out my newfound barely
practical knowledge...!  Thanks, guys n' gals!


 --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "ashwinkumar" <ashwinkumar_m@...> wrote:
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>
> I went into Devices/Midi Device Manager to install the .xml file that
> came with the .zip Cubase file d/l from the Behringer site (this may
> be what's wrong, i dont' know)
> 
> 
> 
> u need not do that at all mate. just power up bcf2000 in ncc . switch 
> on huskervu. opencubase and configure a mackie control under device 
> manager and configure outputs/ inputs in it as i said. and then click 
> apply. thats all.ur bcf will be working. in cubase mixer. u need not 
> load any xml/ sys files at all into cubase or bcf vice versa
>

Re: New BCF2000 Owner, Almost Totally Lost

2008-10-20 by libraclassic2

OMG.  This is EXACTLY the information i'm looking for!  I still have
to understand certain terminology, but I've just found out enough to
apply - I can't wait til you come from lunch!!!


--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "goyya76" <goyya76@...> wrote:
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>
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "ashwinkumar" <ashwinkumar_m@> wrote:
> >
> > I went into Devices/Midi Device Manager to install the .xml file that
> > came with the .zip Cubase file d/l from the Behringer site (this may
> > be what's wrong, i dont' know)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > u need not do that at all mate. just power up bcf2000 in ncc . switch 
> > on huskervu. opencubase and configure a mackie control under device 
> > manager and configure outputs/ inputs in it as i said. and then click 
> > apply. thats all.ur bcf will be working. in cubase mixer. u need not 
> > load any xml/ sys files at all into cubase or bcf vice versa
> >
> Hi guys, as soon as i have some spare time (maybe tomorrow evening) 
> i'll try to post some clearer information on how to configure the 
> generic remote....in the meantime some background (i hope it's not 
> redundant):
> 
> - the Generic Remote configuration panel has two parts: the upper one, 
> which lists the MESSAGES sent by the hardware controller, the lower 
> one, in which those messages are mapped to cubase actions
> - above the upper part there's the self explaining midi in/out selection
> - on the right of the lower part there's a button to add banks: given 
> ONE list of MESSAGES in the upper part, each message in the list can be 
> assigned to different actions, depending on the selected bank
> - on the upper left corner there are +/- buttons to add/delete a 
> generic remote (you can use as many GR devices as you want)
> 
> an example:
> 
> *BCF2000
> - faders have been programmed to send CC1 - CC8 on channel 1, min value 
> is 0, max value is 127
> - encoders (first group) has been assigned C9 - CC16, same as above
> *GENERIC REMOTE
> - add a new generic remote
> - in the upper panel, a default list appear - it can be cancelled (self 
> f explaining buttons on the right)
> - we can create 16 new rows and fill them with the correct data:
> - we name them 
> Fader1,Fader2,...Fader8,...,Encoder1,Encoder2,...,Encoder8
> - we select the correct message type (drop down menu)
> - we select the correct midi channel (drop down menu)
> - we select the correct midi CC number (typing)
> - we select the correct max value (typing)
> - we select any combination of the following letters (drop down 
> menu):R,T,R
> R: receive: cubase will receive the message
> T: transmit: cubase will send the message to the controller when you 
> move on the GUI the mapped element (you pull up the fader, the HW fader 
> will move up)
> R: relative: select it if you programmed the BCF with relative CC 
> (let's stick to absolute messages - easier!)
> *IMPORTANT: you can add a row, then use the learn function and save 
> time (though some manual editing may be required since the Generic 
> Remote is somewhat buggy...)*
> 
> now let's move to the lower panel
> - 16 rows have appeared; via drop down menu you can choose which 
> actions will be mapped to the 16 controllers
> 
> more to come after lunch!
>

Re: New BCF2000 Owner, Almost Totally Lost

2008-10-21 by Erik Hines

iF YOU HAVE THE bEHRINGER prESETS INSTALLED. Select Preset 1. Then you
need to setup Cubase to respond to your config. I sent you a personal
e-mail with my Cubase Generic Remote setup. It's easier to understand
than starting from scratch. 

After you import the .XML, make sure your input and output are
BCF\BCR2000(1) (that's the names that my cubase shows). 

In the top window you'll see all the parameters that were mapped in my
setup (Channels 1-16 with FX1 and FX2, Pan and volume controls, along
with solo and mute). All you need to do is select the parameter you
want to map in the top window by clicking it,than click on 'LEARN' to
the right of that window, turn the knob you want on the BCF\BCR to
control that function, and voila! You've successfully mapped your
first control! Repeat for the additional knobs\faders until you've
mapped all available parameters.

Hope this helps...


Erik

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "libraclassic2" <libraclassic2@...> wrote:
>
> Hey, Erik!  I've sinced learned the proper way to send my .syx data to
> the BCF without losing it (It turns out I wasn't saving it at all, i
> now use BC manaager!)
> 
> 
> I have gotten this far:
> 
> I have my generic remote setup in Cubase (BCF IN, BCF OUT - correct?).
>  Now I see two major groups (the bottom containing a drop down menue
> which contains "VST 1-16", "VST 17-32", etc., etc. - 
> 
> QUESTION:  Do these represent the 4 Encoder groups?
> 
> I have imported an .xml file downloaded from Behringer for Cubase.  It
> has 32 audio and 16 midi in it.  However, I am now stuck. I loaded up
> a Cubase file to see how it would react, and the faders haven't moved
> at all.  Furthermore, in the bottom half of the Generic Remote
> dashboard, I see all of my tracks repeatedly (Fader, Pan, Mute, Send),
> but not on top (controller information).  
> 
> 
> Forgive me if I seem to miss what to you is probably an obvious point
> (I feel like the village idiot), but I do not understand how to use
> this now.  It's all programmed correctly.  Am I missing something else?
> 
> I see that under device assignments, a pull down menu appears giving
> you a choice of "not assigned, command, mixer, midi mixer, etc...."
> for bank VST 1-16.  Hm.  Seems like i'm working it out, but I still
> can't grasp it all the way...lemme see...in VST 17-32 is my Battery 3
> plugin (this makes sense).  Lemme do a little more researching to form
> some coherent questions....
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Erik Hines" <sablerock@> wrote:
> >
> > Hopefully I can help shed some light on things.
> > 
> > 1)	I don't know what exactly you're referring to with regards to the
> > power button, but in the case of the BCR 2000, each PRESET represents
> > a different mode or emulation. Using the (IMO) only decent manager for
> > the BCR, BC MANAGER, you can create your own presets to suit your
> > needs. After you have created a PRESET for the BC using the CC's you
> > want, you need to setup CUBASE.
> > 
> >  In Cubase, you need to setup a DEVICE. Go to DEVICE->DEVICE
> > SETUP->REMOTE DEVICES-> and create a GENERIC REMOTE. Here, you can
> > select Cubase Parameters to control (Volumes, Pans, FX sends etc.) You
> > can setup Cubase to learn from the BCR. So after you select which
> > parameter you want to control, simply hit learn in the Remote Devices
> > dialog in Cubase, and turn the knob you want assigned to that
> > parameter. I have the BCR PRESETS and the Cubase generic Remote script
> > already setup for Cubase. IF you want it, PM me at sablerock@ 
> > 
> > 2)	I haven't needed MIDI-OX for my BCR at all, and your method of
> > pressing STORE causes me some concern. I'm not sure if you're saving
> > presets correctly. I'd open BC MANAGER and use the
> > `file->convert->syx-to-bcr' function. This would ensure you're saving
> > presets correctly.
> > 
> > 3)	Encoder groups effectively QUADRUPLE the number of functions the
> > PUSH ENCODERS can have PER PRESET. For example, I programmed PRESET1,
> > encoder group1 to control Volume for the first 8 tracks of my daw,
> > encoder group2 is the first 8 PANS of my daw, encoder group3 is the
> > first 8 fx sends etc etc etc
all the while, the 3 rows of non-push
> > encoders maintain their settings per PRESET1, regardless of the
> > encoder group selected.
> > 
> > 4)	I haven't used emulation modes but once (basically an emulation of
> > a Mackie HUI I beleive), and was unimpressed, Instead I created my own
> > presets that controlled my gear more effectively. 
> > Preset1-Cubase Tracks 1-8;  
> > Preset2-Cubase Tracks 9-16; 
> > Preset3-Alesis Micron(1of2); 
> > Preset4 Alesis Micron (2of2); 
> > Presets5 and 6-Novation Drumstation 808; 
> > Presets 7 and 8 Novation Drumstation 909
> > 
> > 5)	Midi Learn is thoroughly documented in the MANUAL, basically
> > consists of setting the BCR to learn mode, and sending the Midi
> > message from your device to the BCR. I haven't needed this either, as
> > the BC Manager is more effective for me..
> > 
> > 6)	Can't help you on this one, but if you're trying to control cubase,
> > I can send you my BCR BC manager file, and my Cubase Remote Template
> > 
> > Hope this helps, once again I have the BCR PRESETS and the Cubase
> > generic Remote script already setup for Cubase. IF you want it, PM me
> > at sablerock@
> > 
> > Erik
> > 
> > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "libraclassic2" <libraclassic2@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey, all!  I just put up a post and after a bit of thought, I 
> > > realized 
> > > that the post would neither help me or anyone else, so here's a new 
> > > post complete with REAL questions (not just frustrated rantings!).  
> > > The 
> > > Behringer guys say that I know far more than I give myself credit 
> > > for, 
> > > but my grasp on those concepts is fleeting and not long after a 
> > > moment 
> > > of clarity - I am back at "huh???".  So I shall waste no more of
you 
> > > guys' time, here's the questions (oh, there will be questions...):
> > > 
> > > 1.)  I've already figured out how to press one of the top buttons 
> > > w/the 
> > > power button to choose the emulation of my choice (Sonar, Cubase, 
> > > etc.), so once inside the program of my choice, how do I (or do I) 
> > > select a preset?  Is it necessary?  Why set the presets at all?
> > > 
> > > 2.)  I use Midi-Ox (it was the only thing that really worked for 
> > > me).  
> > > I have used that utility to send .syx messages to my BCF2000,
locking 
> > > the presets in by pressing "store" once, pressing the preset arrow 
> > > keys 
> > > until I get to the preset bank of my choice, and then 
> > > pressing "store" 
> > > again to lock them in.  Did I do this right? If so, why won't BC 
> > > Manager recognize them?  BTW - why won't BC Manager receive data
from 
> > > my BCF2000 even though it recognizes it and can SEND data?
> > > 
> > > 3.)  I hear gossip about encoder groups (those 4 buttons at the top 
> > > right)...um, how in name of Kansas do I use THOSE?  What do they
mean 
> > > to me (see my computer set-up and software used at the bottom for a 
> > > slight resume of what I do)?  
> > > 
> > > 4.)  What's the big difference between emulation modes and
presets?  
> > > If 
> > > I cannot change the controls while in emulation mode, then why do I 
> > > need the presets?  Can I use the presets without emulation mode?
> > > 
> > > 5.)  I prefer MIDI-learn with some things, but how do I access
that? 
> > > 
> > > 6.)  There is a BCF2000 manual specifically for Cubase SX3 out
there, 
> > > but to my chagrin, it was in FRENCH!!  Does anybody have this
.pdf in 
> > > English??
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > My specs/profile:
> > > 
> > > Computer:  
> > > 
> > > AMD Athlon x64 X2 5000+, 2.6ghz Dual Core
> > > 4gigs (3.5 usable) DDR SDRAM
> > > Windows XP SP3 (fully updated)
> > > ASUS M3A78-T Motherboard
> > > (2) Seagate Barracuda 7200rpm 750gig SATA HDD
> > > (2) ASUS 20x DVD -/+ DVD Burners w/Lightscribe
> > > 
> > > Mbox Mini
> > > Line 6 Toneport UX2 
> > > BCD3000 (which works fine, no issues there)
> > > BCF2000 (the problem child)
> > > M-Audio Evolution MK-461c Controller Keyboard
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Software in Question:
> > > 
> > > Cubase SX3 (this is the MAIN P.I.A. - pain in the ass)
> > > Reason 3 (It works, but how do I modify the controls??)
> > > Ableton Live (haven't tested with BCF or BCD yet)
> > > 
> > > With all that being said, I hope someone will be able to help me so 
> > > that this post can help others.  For those that are going to help - 
> > > thank you ever so much.  
> > > 
> > > Do NOT waste your time answering if you:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > A.)  Predictably answer in language that will make no sense to most 
> > > of 
> > > us or 
> > > 
> > > B.)  Deliver a smug, sarcastic remark designed to make us feel like 
> > > the 
> > > last ones in class to learn how to scribble or 
> > > 
> > > C.)  Say "just do this/that" without telling us HOW to do it:
> > > 
> > > Not only will it be a waste of valuble suicide time, but it
helps no 
> > > one.  I'd rather get a little help from a human being, than a
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> > > help from a smug asshole!
> > > 
> > > Look forward to hearing from y'all!  Ciao!
> > >
> >
>

Re: New BCF2000 Owner, Almost Totally Lost

2008-10-21 by goyya76

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "libraclassic2" <libraclassic2@...> 
wrote:
>
> OMG.  This is EXACTLY the information i'm looking for!  I still have
> to understand certain terminology, but I've just found out enough to
> apply - I can't wait til you come from lunch!!!

well i didn't have time after lunch....i'll try this eveninng, in the 
meantime if you have some other question just post them - i hope to 
prepare soon a sort of tutorial and post it into the files 
section....anyway (but i think you already did it), have a look at 
cubase manual section about "generic remote" - there are useful infos 
there! (though by trial and error i learned more things....)

ciao,
Goyya :)

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