Bc2000 (for the BCF2000 & BCR2000)

Nah I dont think you are a lazy ass idiot ... believe me I would say if I did ... not least because like I said, some Miniak pal was having problems usint Multi's (many channel setups) with Live.

And I have to say I was too ... eventually I worked it out but it was so complex compared with say Cubase or any other system.

So now you say in later post you want to control live devices.
I found a series of excellent tutorials on YouTube (I am sure you have found them).

ANyhow, this vectors off so another control product which references this link

http://stc.wiffbi.com/midi-implementation-chart/

I dont know if this is THEIR chart or Abelton.
But could be worth trying some of this .. This is what I was expecting you to find then we can help you map this.

My 2 cents.

Regards

Steve H

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "patgoodfellow" <GOODFELLOWPAT@...> wrote:
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> There is a template in the files section of the group on this page: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/bc2000/files/Presets/Abeton%20Live%20Mackie%20Presets/ 
> 
> 2BC Live Control Presets
> 
> I'm not sure if this is the last template created by the User group and if it's good to go with Live 9. Also, set-up isn't that clear to me.. there are 3 different set-up manuals and one says refer to the other manual to do xyz... also a couple of the links go to dead pages.
> 
> Steve, I really appreciate your replies... and you probably think I'm lazy ass idiot, but it's all those steps.. check this with that, such and such, confirm that first, make mappings here, etc..etc that just send me running. lol
> 
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, sghookings@ wrote:
> >
> > But I wonder .. again I only downloaded Live once to help a fellow Miniak person ... and I was dismayed at how I couldnt get my head around Live. I totally get Midi, and controllers ... but Live just seemed to be counter intuitive. I doubt this is a deliberate ploy to sell just their hardware. I think I get it though now. See this is a Berlin based company, and I now work in Germany in the software industry. Ich denke es ist Germlish :-). There are certain phraseology that makes it hard for me to read. But once shown you can see the interface is ok.
> > 
> > I think the best way is to get Live to send it's MIDI to the BCR/F and let that learn what is hears. I know some people have managed this but maybe still there are some things the BCR/F doesnt understand.
> > 
> > The alternative is to let Live learn. Watching that last video makes it reasonably clear what is going on.
> > 
> > The chaps sets Live to send info on MIDI CC 40.
> > He then 'learns' this into his Live setup by selecting a control.
> > And eventually, the CC40 is played back leaving the control to be associated with 40. Alles Klar!
> > 
> > Now, I wonder. If someone blindly follows the Live manual, then you
> > 
> > 1 - select a control in Live
> > 2 - wiggle a knob/control on your remote service
> > 
> > And you are done.
> > 
> > BUT ... this is not a guaranteed algorithm on a BCR/BCF.
> > Why? Well, it is possible to set different BCR knobs to send the same CC (or NPRN or PC or NOTE or like I said any midi).
> > And if this happened you could re-educate the Live control so the same (but different!) BCR/F control.
> > 
> > So to me the safest way is to
> > 
> > 1 - for each type of control you want
> > 
> > (Fader, button, encoder)
> > 
> > Manually map a Live -> BCR/F
> > 
> > 2 - dump the sysex from BCR/F and observe it in Mark's BCManager software
> > 
> > 3 - Draw out a matrix (on paper) between what you want to externally control in Live, and the available controls on BCR/F [Dont forget you have 4 x the top row/buttons with the encoder groups].
> > 
> > 4 - Write the new unique controls you are going to send from the BCR/F being CAREFUL to avoid reserved ones [6, 38, 98, 99 are but a few but check out internet for list OR look at the drop down list on that video .. ie 40 was chosen for a reason!].
> > 
> > 5 - Using Mark's excellent software, and perhaps a few choice beverages, carefully program the BCR/F to map to your drawing.
> > 
> > Save it all and test this with say MidiOX (or again pretty sure Mark has put a MIDI sniffer in his toolset).
> > 
> > 6 - NOW go back to the Abelton, and learn away the controls ie select control on Abelton, and wiggle the appropriate BCR/F control you just programmed.
> > 
> > My guess is the Abelton BCR/F template assumes you loaded a specific preset to the BCR .. if you dont I can imagine one half is talking English and the other German ... the result is you get something that sometimes appears to work, other times doesnt. And then you start blaming rather than determining the mechanisms.
> > 
> > I wish you luck. And if you do make a template I guess you somehow have to provide BOTH ends of the mapping else why would you expect it to work?
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > Steve H
> > 
> > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, senang <senang@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Well I think you're right about the mismatch of techies/musicians. Then 
> > > again I can imagine the frustration of the OP especially since Ableton 
> > > Live does show a preset for the BCR2000! It's ridiculous or at the least 
> > > false advertising if that stuff doesn't work. Like I have posted before 
> > > I have yet to set up my BCR with Live as I have been using Sonar (which 
> > > was a breeze setting up with ACT control) but this topic makes me 
> > > anxious already ;)
> > > 
> > > What surprises me though, is that this is the only dedicated group in 
> > > the world for the BCR/BCF and I can't imagine there is no one that uses 
> > > the BCR with Live and thus being able to provide a template. I agree 
> > > that problem-solving on a specified level as you suggests is more 
> > > productive but -although not that profound- I think the OP's underlying 
> > > heartfelt question is just 'HELP, give me a template!' ;) And I'm sure 
> > > there are many (amongst myself) that would be very gratefull for that..
> > >
> >
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