Bc2000 (for the BCF2000 & BCR2000)

>
> I'm trying to set-up the BCR to work with Ableton. It's kind of bewildering. It's not responding in a well behaved way... and it's giving me a headache.
> 
> I have selected the BCR template in Preferences > Mdid/Sync. (Input & Output + Remote are all activated).
> I know that with this preset Abletons Device Parameters are controlled by the top 8 push encoders,and the top key buttons on the BCR select the 1-8 function banks. The BCR is sending data because ableton does respond on some random parameters (although in no logical sense that I've figured out yet) but not responding according to the way Mappings are set-up with the Ablton template (I checked the 'Control Surface Reference' help file in Ableton)
> 
> For example, I go to the ableton Device 'Analog', select Bank 1 on the BCR and move the top encoders, but Analog doesn't respond... same if I select Bank 2 which should move the 'Analog's' filters... but it doesn't respond. (I do have the Analog device selected with the little blue hand) 
> 
> 
> Question: Do I need to Dump the Ableton script to the BCR for it to work correctly? I've done this already and the lights on the BCR spin around like you would expect, but then at the last moment I get an Er22 error message.. So I presume the dump failed?? I've tried 2 usb cables and 2 different usb ports on my computer - same thing.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Question 2: I do have BC Manager, but shouldn't the BCR be able to work 'straight outta the box' with Abelton's included script/template? 
> 
> Thanks for any words of wisdom you can throw my way. I thought this would be a lot simpler...
> 
> Pat
>

>
> Unfortunately I cannot help you but I'm curious about the solution as I am about to step over to Live and as you I was assuming this was going to be a breeze.
> 
> Maybe though you can use a tool like MIDI Tools to read out the messages and check how they are mapped out?
> 
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "patgoodfellow" <GOODFELLOWPAT@> wrote:
> >
> > I'm trying to set-up the BCR to work with Ableton. It's kind of bewildering. It's not responding in a well behaved way... and it's giving me a headache.
> > 
> > I have selected the BCR template in Preferences > Mdid/Sync. (Input & Output + Remote are all activated).
> > I know that with this preset Abletons Device Parameters are controlled by the top 8 push encoders,and the top key buttons on the BCR select the 1-8 function banks. The BCR is sending data because ableton does respond on some random parameters (although in no logical sense that I've figured out yet) but not responding according to the way Mappings are set-up with the Ablton template (I checked the 'Control Surface Reference' help file in Ableton)
> > 
> > For example, I go to the ableton Device 'Analog', select Bank 1 on the BCR and move the top encoders, but Analog doesn't respond... same if I select Bank 2 which should move the 'Analog's' filters... but it doesn't respond. (I do have the Analog device selected with the little blue hand) 
> > 
> > 
> > Question: Do I need to Dump the Ableton script to the BCR for it to work correctly? I've done this already and the lights on the BCR spin around like you would expect, but then at the last moment I get an Er22 error message.. So I presume the dump failed?? I've tried 2 usb cables and 2 different usb ports on my computer - same thing.
> > 
> > Any ideas?
> > 
> > Question 2: I do have BC Manager, but shouldn't the BCR be able to work 'straight outta the box' with Abelton's included script/template? 
> > 
> > Thanks for any words of wisdom you can throw my way. I thought this would be a lot simpler...
> > 
> > Pat
> >
>

>
> I'm at the point of giving-up.. it's not like I just bought this today and I'm being hasty... I bought this 3 months ago... spent a couple of days with it back then, and gave-up and has been collecting dust since 3 days ago when I thought I'd get my shit together and figure it out. 
> 
> And during these past 3 days I've read too many threads on setting this up from people just as confused as me... and many 'fixes'.... but I'm not technical in that way, I want something that needs 1 hour 'optimizing' and is then god to go. It's 2013 for Christ's sake... I don't think that's too much too ask from our hardware (although this is 10 years old or more).
> 
> 
> Anyhow... I'll probably sell this and put in a pre-order for Push. or maybe the APC  - does it work better straight outta the box?
> 
> (sorry for the rant - just frustrated because I can tell the build quality of this box is actually fantastic. just I'm too dumb to figure it out.. I wanna spend time playing my synths.. not wasting precious hours of my middle-aged life on this crap. heh-he, but gah!!)
> 
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "mmruijgrok" <senang@> wrote:
> >
> > Unfortunately I cannot help you but I'm curious about the solution as I am about to step over to Live and as you I was assuming this was going to be a breeze.
> > 
> > Maybe though you can use a tool like MIDI Tools to read out the messages and check how they are mapped out?
> > 
> > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "patgoodfellow" <GOODFELLOWPAT@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm trying to set-up the BCR to work with Ableton. It's kind of bewildering. It's not responding in a well behaved way... and it's giving me a headache.
> > > 
> > > I have selected the BCR template in Preferences > Mdid/Sync. (Input & Output + Remote are all activated).
> > > I know that with this preset Abletons Device Parameters are controlled by the top 8 push encoders,and the top key buttons on the BCR select the 1-8 function banks. The BCR is sending data because ableton does respond on some random parameters (although in no logical sense that I've figured out yet) but not responding according to the way Mappings are set-up with the Ablton template (I checked the 'Control Surface Reference' help file in Ableton)
> > > 
> > > For example, I go to the ableton Device 'Analog', select Bank 1 on the BCR and move the top encoders, but Analog doesn't respond... same if I select Bank 2 which should move the 'Analog's' filters... but it doesn't respond. (I do have the Analog device selected with the little blue hand) 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Question: Do I need to Dump the Ableton script to the BCR for it to work correctly? I've done this already and the lights on the BCR spin around like you would expect, but then at the last moment I get an Er22 error message.. So I presume the dump failed?? I've tried 2 usb cables and 2 different usb ports on my computer - same thing.
> > > 
> > > Any ideas?
> > > 
> > > Question 2: I do have BC Manager, but shouldn't the BCR be able to work 'straight outta the box' with Abelton's included script/template? 
> > > 
> > > Thanks for any words of wisdom you can throw my way. I thought this would be a lot simpler...
> > > 
> > > Pat
> > >
> >
>

>
> 
> 
> 
> I think there is a massive impedence mismatch between musicians and techies. The great thing is I can see you have tried some things, which means you dont fall into the why cant someone else do it category! But I guess normal (reasonable) argument is 'I am a musician, I just want to play not mess with tech!' prevails for some products more than others.
> 
> I think perhaps why Live folks are not getting inundated with solutions is the right musician and technie mix for Live doesnt exist?
> 
> Whereas for a synth, whilst you can be a pure-musician just using the presets, the knobs just beg to be played with (oh er Mrs!).
> 
> If you know of anyone who can point out the manual material for Abelton, it is possible you might get more help.
> 
> Recall, the BCR/BCF is a midi controller. If your device is MIDI compliant, it can work. If it isnt, it wont work. Give up! If is is _almost_ compliant (like my Miniak) then you have a fight on your hands. But I won that one.
> 
> I recall even getting Midi working well with Live for one Miniak user [it was driving him crazy so I stepped in]. I downloaded a copy of Live (free N day trial) and as a self-confessed techie I found Live really non-intuitive. I was literally tearing my eyeballs out and shouting at Live 'Why dont you just work you goddamned c**k sucker!'. At least I was able to understand the problem was Live, not me or my kit! Eventually I did get it to work. But it took a lot of perserverance and deep manual reading/trial and error.
> 
> So again, maybe you can educate us on what live does, what you want to control, if there isnt a manual on this, can you consider grabbing some MidiOx traces so show us what Live spits out for a given control.
> Or, since Live is computer software, maybe it is possible to tease out an intermediate approach (like Royce has done with Korgs recently) where BCR/F controls some software, and the software controls Live. Hell, if there is sufficient demand for this (like as in commercially) then I might even try to write one myself.
> 
> If you ask the questions at that level, then non-Live people (but Midi gurus) can help you. But if folks simply say they cannot get it to work, or alternatively they cannot get it to work they way they want it do, well it might be possible for someone to explain it can never work that way, or it can if you modify XXX.
> 
> Hopefully this doesnt come across as a rant, but as some tips on how to determine what is possible with a BCR/F. Until Royce and Mark got involved, not a lot. But in opening it up there are many more possibilites, but recall they provided the tools ... you have to determine how to use them ... no sledgehammers to crack nuts please!
> 
> Regards
> 
> Steve H
> 
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "patgoodfellow" <GOODFELLOWPAT@> wrote:
> >
> > I'm at the point of giving-up.. it's not like I just bought this today and I'm being hasty... I bought this 3 months ago... spent a couple of days with it back then, and gave-up and has been collecting dust since 3 days ago when I thought I'd get my shit together and figure it out. 
> > 
> > And during these past 3 days I've read too many threads on setting this up from people just as confused as me... and many 'fixes'.... but I'm not technical in that way, I want something that needs 1 hour 'optimizing' and is then god to go. It's 2013 for Christ's sake... I don't think that's too much too ask from our hardware (although this is 10 years old or more).
> > 
> > 
> > Anyhow... I'll probably sell this and put in a pre-order for Push. or maybe the APC  - does it work better straight outta the box?
> > 
> > (sorry for the rant - just frustrated because I can tell the build quality of this box is actually fantastic. just I'm too dumb to figure it out.. I wanna spend time playing my synths.. not wasting precious hours of my middle-aged life on this crap. heh-he, but gah!!)
> > 
> > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "mmruijgrok" <senang@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Unfortunately I cannot help you but I'm curious about the solution as I am about to step over to Live and as you I was assuming this was going to be a breeze.
> > > 
> > > Maybe though you can use a tool like MIDI Tools to read out the messages and check how they are mapped out?
> > > 
> > > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "patgoodfellow" <GOODFELLOWPAT@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm trying to set-up the BCR to work with Ableton. It's kind of bewildering. It's not responding in a well behaved way... and it's giving me a headache.
> > > > 
> > > > I have selected the BCR template in Preferences > Mdid/Sync. (Input & Output + Remote are all activated).
> > > > I know that with this preset Abletons Device Parameters are controlled by the top 8 push encoders,and the top key buttons on the BCR select the 1-8 function banks. The BCR is sending data because ableton does respond on some random parameters (although in no logical sense that I've figured out yet) but not responding according to the way Mappings are set-up with the Ablton template (I checked the 'Control Surface Reference' help file in Ableton)
> > > > 
> > > > For example, I go to the ableton Device 'Analog', select Bank 1 on the BCR and move the top encoders, but Analog doesn't respond... same if I select Bank 2 which should move the 'Analog's' filters... but it doesn't respond. (I do have the Analog device selected with the little blue hand) 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Question: Do I need to Dump the Ableton script to the BCR for it to work correctly? I've done this already and the lights on the BCR spin around like you would expect, but then at the last moment I get an Er22 error message.. So I presume the dump failed?? I've tried 2 usb cables and 2 different usb ports on my computer - same thing.
> > > > 
> > > > Any ideas?
> > > > 
> > > > Question 2: I do have BC Manager, but shouldn't the BCR be able to work 'straight outta the box' with Abelton's included script/template? 
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks for any words of wisdom you can throw my way. I thought this would be a lot simpler...
> > > > 
> > > > Pat
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

>
> OK, I didnt realize Abelton is based on Max, so since this is a very versatile programming language you can pretty much do anything you want there.
> 
> And I see now, as someone else mentions, there is a new Push controller for EU500. Love the display on that thing (must look for one of those for my electronics projects).
> 
> So given these beasts exist, I can see why there might be little support for a BCR/F.
> 
> You should still be able to map it to add extra control. But these other surfaces are custom built ... and not too expensive (assuming the build quality is good).
> 
> regards
> 
> Steve H
> 
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, sghookings@ wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I think there is a massive impedence mismatch between musicians and techies. The great thing is I can see you have tried some things, which means you dont fall into the why cant someone else do it category! But I guess normal (reasonable) argument is 'I am a musician, I just want to play not mess with tech!' prevails for some products more than others.
> > 
> > I think perhaps why Live folks are not getting inundated with solutions is the right musician and technie mix for Live doesnt exist?
> > 
> > Whereas for a synth, whilst you can be a pure-musician just using the presets, the knobs just beg to be played with (oh er Mrs!).
> > 
> > If you know of anyone who can point out the manual material for Abelton, it is possible you might get more help.
> > 
> > Recall, the BCR/BCF is a midi controller. If your device is MIDI compliant, it can work. If it isnt, it wont work. Give up! If is is _almost_ compliant (like my Miniak) then you have a fight on your hands. But I won that one.
> > 
> > I recall even getting Midi working well with Live for one Miniak user [it was driving him crazy so I stepped in]. I downloaded a copy of Live (free N day trial) and as a self-confessed techie I found Live really non-intuitive. I was literally tearing my eyeballs out and shouting at Live 'Why dont you just work you goddamned c**k sucker!'. At least I was able to understand the problem was Live, not me or my kit! Eventually I did get it to work. But it took a lot of perserverance and deep manual reading/trial and error.
> > 
> > So again, maybe you can educate us on what live does, what you want to control, if there isnt a manual on this, can you consider grabbing some MidiOx traces so show us what Live spits out for a given control.
> > Or, since Live is computer software, maybe it is possible to tease out an intermediate approach (like Royce has done with Korgs recently) where BCR/F controls some software, and the software controls Live. Hell, if there is sufficient demand for this (like as in commercially) then I might even try to write one myself.
> > 
> > If you ask the questions at that level, then non-Live people (but Midi gurus) can help you. But if folks simply say they cannot get it to work, or alternatively they cannot get it to work they way they want it do, well it might be possible for someone to explain it can never work that way, or it can if you modify XXX.
> > 
> > Hopefully this doesnt come across as a rant, but as some tips on how to determine what is possible with a BCR/F. Until Royce and Mark got involved, not a lot. But in opening it up there are many more possibilites, but recall they provided the tools ... you have to determine how to use them ... no sledgehammers to crack nuts please!
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > Steve H
> > 
> > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "patgoodfellow" <GOODFELLOWPAT@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm at the point of giving-up.. it's not like I just bought this today and I'm being hasty... I bought this 3 months ago... spent a couple of days with it back then, and gave-up and has been collecting dust since 3 days ago when I thought I'd get my shit together and figure it out. 
> > > 
> > > And during these past 3 days I've read too many threads on setting this up from people just as confused as me... and many 'fixes'.... but I'm not technical in that way, I want something that needs 1 hour 'optimizing' and is then god to go. It's 2013 for Christ's sake... I don't think that's too much too ask from our hardware (although this is 10 years old or more).
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Anyhow... I'll probably sell this and put in a pre-order for Push. or maybe the APC  - does it work better straight outta the box?
> > > 
> > > (sorry for the rant - just frustrated because I can tell the build quality of this box is actually fantastic. just I'm too dumb to figure it out.. I wanna spend time playing my synths.. not wasting precious hours of my middle-aged life on this crap. heh-he, but gah!!)
> > > 
> > > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "mmruijgrok" <senang@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Unfortunately I cannot help you but I'm curious about the solution as I am about to step over to Live and as you I was assuming this was going to be a breeze.
> > > > 
> > > > Maybe though you can use a tool like MIDI Tools to read out the messages and check how they are mapped out?
> > > > 
> > > > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "patgoodfellow" <GOODFELLOWPAT@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm trying to set-up the BCR to work with Ableton. It's kind of bewildering. It's not responding in a well behaved way... and it's giving me a headache.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I have selected the BCR template in Preferences > Mdid/Sync. (Input & Output + Remote are all activated).
> > > > > I know that with this preset Abletons Device Parameters are controlled by the top 8 push encoders,and the top key buttons on the BCR select the 1-8 function banks. The BCR is sending data because ableton does respond on some random parameters (although in no logical sense that I've figured out yet) but not responding according to the way Mappings are set-up with the Ablton template (I checked the 'Control Surface Reference' help file in Ableton)
> > > > > 
> > > > > For example, I go to the ableton Device 'Analog', select Bank 1 on the BCR and move the top encoders, but Analog doesn't respond... same if I select Bank 2 which should move the 'Analog's' filters... but it doesn't respond. (I do have the Analog device selected with the little blue hand) 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Question: Do I need to Dump the Ableton script to the BCR for it to work correctly? I've done this already and the lights on the BCR spin around like you would expect, but then at the last moment I get an Er22 error message.. So I presume the dump failed?? I've tried 2 usb cables and 2 different usb ports on my computer - same thing.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Any ideas?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Question 2: I do have BC Manager, but shouldn't the BCR be able to work 'straight outta the box' with Abelton's included script/template? 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thanks for any words of wisdom you can throw my way. I thought this would be a lot simpler...
> > > > > 
> > > > > Pat
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

>
> Well I think you're right about the mismatch of techies/musicians. Then 
> again I can imagine the frustration of the OP especially since Ableton 
> Live does show a preset for the BCR2000! It's ridiculous or at the least 
> false advertising if that stuff doesn't work. Like I have posted before 
> I have yet to set up my BCR with Live as I have been using Sonar (which 
> was a breeze setting up with ACT control) but this topic makes me 
> anxious already ;)
> 
> What surprises me though, is that this is the only dedicated group in 
> the world for the BCR/BCF and I can't imagine there is no one that uses 
> the BCR with Live and thus being able to provide a template. I agree 
> that problem-solving on a specified level as you suggests is more 
> productive but -although not that profound- I think the OP's underlying 
> heartfelt question is just 'HELP, give me a template!' ;) And I'm sure 
> there are many (amongst myself) that would be very gratefull for that..
>

>
> But I wonder .. again I only downloaded Live once to help a fellow Miniak person ... and I was dismayed at how I couldnt get my head around Live. I totally get Midi, and controllers ... but Live just seemed to be counter intuitive. I doubt this is a deliberate ploy to sell just their hardware. I think I get it though now. See this is a Berlin based company, and I now work in Germany in the software industry. Ich denke es ist Germlish :-). There are certain phraseology that makes it hard for me to read. But once shown you can see the interface is ok.
> 
> I think the best way is to get Live to send it's MIDI to the BCR/F and let that learn what is hears. I know some people have managed this but maybe still there are some things the BCR/F doesnt understand.
> 
> The alternative is to let Live learn. Watching that last video makes it reasonably clear what is going on.
> 
> The chaps sets Live to send info on MIDI CC 40.
> He then 'learns' this into his Live setup by selecting a control.
> And eventually, the CC40 is played back leaving the control to be associated with 40. Alles Klar!
> 
> Now, I wonder. If someone blindly follows the Live manual, then you
> 
> 1 - select a control in Live
> 2 - wiggle a knob/control on your remote service
> 
> And you are done.
> 
> BUT ... this is not a guaranteed algorithm on a BCR/BCF.
> Why? Well, it is possible to set different BCR knobs to send the same CC (or NPRN or PC or NOTE or like I said any midi).
> And if this happened you could re-educate the Live control so the same (but different!) BCR/F control.
> 
> So to me the safest way is to
> 
> 1 - for each type of control you want
> 
> (Fader, button, encoder)
> 
> Manually map a Live -> BCR/F
> 
> 2 - dump the sysex from BCR/F and observe it in Mark's BCManager software
> 
> 3 - Draw out a matrix (on paper) between what you want to externally control in Live, and the available controls on BCR/F [Dont forget you have 4 x the top row/buttons with the encoder groups].
> 
> 4 - Write the new unique controls you are going to send from the BCR/F being CAREFUL to avoid reserved ones [6, 38, 98, 99 are but a few but check out internet for list OR look at the drop down list on that video .. ie 40 was chosen for a reason!].
> 
> 5 - Using Mark's excellent software, and perhaps a few choice beverages, carefully program the BCR/F to map to your drawing.
> 
> Save it all and test this with say MidiOX (or again pretty sure Mark has put a MIDI sniffer in his toolset).
> 
> 6 - NOW go back to the Abelton, and learn away the controls ie select control on Abelton, and wiggle the appropriate BCR/F control you just programmed.
> 
> My guess is the Abelton BCR/F template assumes you loaded a specific preset to the BCR .. if you dont I can imagine one half is talking English and the other German ... the result is you get something that sometimes appears to work, other times doesnt. And then you start blaming rather than determining the mechanisms.
> 
> I wish you luck. And if you do make a template I guess you somehow have to provide BOTH ends of the mapping else why would you expect it to work?
> 
> Regards
> 
> Steve H
> 
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, senang <senang@> wrote:
> >
> > Well I think you're right about the mismatch of techies/musicians. Then 
> > again I can imagine the frustration of the OP especially since Ableton 
> > Live does show a preset for the BCR2000! It's ridiculous or at the least 
> > false advertising if that stuff doesn't work. Like I have posted before 
> > I have yet to set up my BCR with Live as I have been using Sonar (which 
> > was a breeze setting up with ACT control) but this topic makes me 
> > anxious already ;)
> > 
> > What surprises me though, is that this is the only dedicated group in 
> > the world for the BCR/BCF and I can't imagine there is no one that uses 
> > the BCR with Live and thus being able to provide a template. I agree 
> > that problem-solving on a specified level as you suggests is more 
> > productive but -although not that profound- I think the OP's underlying 
> > heartfelt question is just 'HELP, give me a template!' ;) And I'm sure 
> > there are many (amongst myself) that would be very gratefull for that..
> >
>

>
> There is a template in the files section of the group on this page: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/bc2000/files/Presets/Abeton%20Live%20Mackie%20Presets/ 
> 
> 2BC Live Control Presets
> 
> I'm not sure if this is the last template created by the User group and if it's good to go with Live 9. Also, set-up isn't that clear to me.. there are 3 different set-up manuals and one says refer to the other manual to do xyz... also a couple of the links go to dead pages.
> 
> Steve, I really appreciate your replies... and you probably think I'm lazy ass idiot, but it's all those steps.. check this with that, such and such, confirm that first, make mappings here, etc..etc that just send me running. lol
> 
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, sghookings@ wrote:
> >
> > But I wonder .. again I only downloaded Live once to help a fellow Miniak person ... and I was dismayed at how I couldnt get my head around Live. I totally get Midi, and controllers ... but Live just seemed to be counter intuitive. I doubt this is a deliberate ploy to sell just their hardware. I think I get it though now. See this is a Berlin based company, and I now work in Germany in the software industry. Ich denke es ist Germlish :-). There are certain phraseology that makes it hard for me to read. But once shown you can see the interface is ok.
> > 
> > I think the best way is to get Live to send it's MIDI to the BCR/F and let that learn what is hears. I know some people have managed this but maybe still there are some things the BCR/F doesnt understand.
> > 
> > The alternative is to let Live learn. Watching that last video makes it reasonably clear what is going on.
> > 
> > The chaps sets Live to send info on MIDI CC 40.
> > He then 'learns' this into his Live setup by selecting a control.
> > And eventually, the CC40 is played back leaving the control to be associated with 40. Alles Klar!
> > 
> > Now, I wonder. If someone blindly follows the Live manual, then you
> > 
> > 1 - select a control in Live
> > 2 - wiggle a knob/control on your remote service
> > 
> > And you are done.
> > 
> > BUT ... this is not a guaranteed algorithm on a BCR/BCF.
> > Why? Well, it is possible to set different BCR knobs to send the same CC (or NPRN or PC or NOTE or like I said any midi).
> > And if this happened you could re-educate the Live control so the same (but different!) BCR/F control.
> > 
> > So to me the safest way is to
> > 
> > 1 - for each type of control you want
> > 
> > (Fader, button, encoder)
> > 
> > Manually map a Live -> BCR/F
> > 
> > 2 - dump the sysex from BCR/F and observe it in Mark's BCManager software
> > 
> > 3 - Draw out a matrix (on paper) between what you want to externally control in Live, and the available controls on BCR/F [Dont forget you have 4 x the top row/buttons with the encoder groups].
> > 
> > 4 - Write the new unique controls you are going to send from the BCR/F being CAREFUL to avoid reserved ones [6, 38, 98, 99 are but a few but check out internet for list OR look at the drop down list on that video .. ie 40 was chosen for a reason!].
> > 
> > 5 - Using Mark's excellent software, and perhaps a few choice beverages, carefully program the BCR/F to map to your drawing.
> > 
> > Save it all and test this with say MidiOX (or again pretty sure Mark has put a MIDI sniffer in his toolset).
> > 
> > 6 - NOW go back to the Abelton, and learn away the controls ie select control on Abelton, and wiggle the appropriate BCR/F control you just programmed.
> > 
> > My guess is the Abelton BCR/F template assumes you loaded a specific preset to the BCR .. if you dont I can imagine one half is talking English and the other German ... the result is you get something that sometimes appears to work, other times doesnt. And then you start blaming rather than determining the mechanisms.
> > 
> > I wish you luck. And if you do make a template I guess you somehow have to provide BOTH ends of the mapping else why would you expect it to work?
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > Steve H
> > 
> > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, senang <senang@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Well I think you're right about the mismatch of techies/musicians. Then 
> > > again I can imagine the frustration of the OP especially since Ableton 
> > > Live does show a preset for the BCR2000! It's ridiculous or at the least 
> > > false advertising if that stuff doesn't work. Like I have posted before 
> > > I have yet to set up my BCR with Live as I have been using Sonar (which 
> > > was a breeze setting up with ACT control) but this topic makes me 
> > > anxious already ;)
> > > 
> > > What surprises me though, is that this is the only dedicated group in 
> > > the world for the BCR/BCF and I can't imagine there is no one that uses 
> > > the BCR with Live and thus being able to provide a template. I agree 
> > > that problem-solving on a specified level as you suggests is more 
> > > productive but -although not that profound- I think the OP's underlying 
> > > heartfelt question is just 'HELP, give me a template!' ;) And I'm sure 
> > > there are many (amongst myself) that would be very gratefull for that..
> > >
> >
>

>
> There is a template in the files section of the group on this page: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/bc2000/files/Presets/Abeton%20Live%20Mackie%20Presets/ 
> 
> 2BC Live Control Presets
> 
> I'm not sure if this is the last template created by the User group and if it's good to go with Live 9. Also, set-up isn't that clear to me.. there are 3 different set-up manuals and one says refer to the other manual to do xyz... also a couple of the links go to dead pages.
> 
> Steve, I really appreciate your replies... and you probably think I'm lazy ass idiot, but it's all those steps.. check this with that, such and such, confirm that first, make mappings here, etc..etc that just send me running. lol
> 
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, sghookings@ wrote:
> >
> > But I wonder .. again I only downloaded Live once to help a fellow Miniak person ... and I was dismayed at how I couldnt get my head around Live. I totally get Midi, and controllers ... but Live just seemed to be counter intuitive. I doubt this is a deliberate ploy to sell just their hardware. I think I get it though now. See this is a Berlin based company, and I now work in Germany in the software industry. Ich denke es ist Germlish :-). There are certain phraseology that makes it hard for me to read. But once shown you can see the interface is ok.
> > 
> > I think the best way is to get Live to send it's MIDI to the BCR/F and let that learn what is hears. I know some people have managed this but maybe still there are some things the BCR/F doesnt understand.
> > 
> > The alternative is to let Live learn. Watching that last video makes it reasonably clear what is going on.
> > 
> > The chaps sets Live to send info on MIDI CC 40.
> > He then 'learns' this into his Live setup by selecting a control.
> > And eventually, the CC40 is played back leaving the control to be associated with 40. Alles Klar!
> > 
> > Now, I wonder. If someone blindly follows the Live manual, then you
> > 
> > 1 - select a control in Live
> > 2 - wiggle a knob/control on your remote service
> > 
> > And you are done.
> > 
> > BUT ... this is not a guaranteed algorithm on a BCR/BCF.
> > Why? Well, it is possible to set different BCR knobs to send the same CC (or NPRN or PC or NOTE or like I said any midi).
> > And if this happened you could re-educate the Live control so the same (but different!) BCR/F control.
> > 
> > So to me the safest way is to
> > 
> > 1 - for each type of control you want
> > 
> > (Fader, button, encoder)
> > 
> > Manually map a Live -> BCR/F
> > 
> > 2 - dump the sysex from BCR/F and observe it in Mark's BCManager software
> > 
> > 3 - Draw out a matrix (on paper) between what you want to externally control in Live, and the available controls on BCR/F [Dont forget you have 4 x the top row/buttons with the encoder groups].
> > 
> > 4 - Write the new unique controls you are going to send from the BCR/F being CAREFUL to avoid reserved ones [6, 38, 98, 99 are but a few but check out internet for list OR look at the drop down list on that video .. ie 40 was chosen for a reason!].
> > 
> > 5 - Using Mark's excellent software, and perhaps a few choice beverages, carefully program the BCR/F to map to your drawing.
> > 
> > Save it all and test this with say MidiOX (or again pretty sure Mark has put a MIDI sniffer in his toolset).
> > 
> > 6 - NOW go back to the Abelton, and learn away the controls ie select control on Abelton, and wiggle the appropriate BCR/F control you just programmed.
> > 
> > My guess is the Abelton BCR/F template assumes you loaded a specific preset to the BCR .. if you dont I can imagine one half is talking English and the other German ... the result is you get something that sometimes appears to work, other times doesnt. And then you start blaming rather than determining the mechanisms.
> > 
> > I wish you luck. And if you do make a template I guess you somehow have to provide BOTH ends of the mapping else why would you expect it to work?
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > Steve H
> > 
> > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, senang <senang@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Well I think you're right about the mismatch of techies/musicians. Then 
> > > again I can imagine the frustration of the OP especially since Ableton 
> > > Live does show a preset for the BCR2000! It's ridiculous or at the least 
> > > false advertising if that stuff doesn't work. Like I have posted before 
> > > I have yet to set up my BCR with Live as I have been using Sonar (which 
> > > was a breeze setting up with ACT control) but this topic makes me 
> > > anxious already ;)
> > > 
> > > What surprises me though, is that this is the only dedicated group in 
> > > the world for the BCR/BCF and I can't imagine there is no one that uses 
> > > the BCR with Live and thus being able to provide a template. I agree 
> > > that problem-solving on a specified level as you suggests is more 
> > > productive but -although not that profound- I think the OP's underlying 
> > > heartfelt question is just 'HELP, give me a template!' ;) And I'm sure 
> > > there are many (amongst myself) that would be very gratefull for that..
> > >
> >
>

>
> Nah I dont think you are a lazy ass idiot ... believe me I would say if I did ... not least because like I said, some Miniak pal was having problems usint Multi's (many channel setups) with Live.
> 
> And I have to say I was too ... eventually I worked it out but it was so complex compared with say Cubase or any other system.
> 
> So now you say in later post you want to control live devices.
> I found a series of excellent tutorials on YouTube (I am sure you have found them).
> 
> ANyhow, this vectors off so another control product which references this link
> 
> http://stc.wiffbi.com/midi-implementation-chart/
> 
> I dont know if this is THEIR chart or Abelton.
> But could be worth trying some of this .. This is what I was expecting you to find then we can help you map this.
> 
> My 2 cents.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Steve H
> 
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "patgoodfellow" <GOODFELLOWPAT@> wrote:
> >
> > There is a template in the files section of the group on this page: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/bc2000/files/Presets/Abeton%20Live%20Mackie%20Presets/ 
> > 
> > 2BC Live Control Presets
> > 
> > I'm not sure if this is the last template created by the User group and if it's good to go with Live 9. Also, set-up isn't that clear to me.. there are 3 different set-up manuals and one says refer to the other manual to do xyz... also a couple of the links go to dead pages.
> > 
> > Steve, I really appreciate your replies... and you probably think I'm lazy ass idiot, but it's all those steps.. check this with that, such and such, confirm that first, make mappings here, etc..etc that just send me running. lol
> > 
> > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, sghookings@ wrote:
> > >
> > > But I wonder .. again I only downloaded Live once to help a fellow Miniak person ... and I was dismayed at how I couldnt get my head around Live. I totally get Midi, and controllers ... but Live just seemed to be counter intuitive. I doubt this is a deliberate ploy to sell just their hardware. I think I get it though now. See this is a Berlin based company, and I now work in Germany in the software industry. Ich denke es ist Germlish :-). There are certain phraseology that makes it hard for me to read. But once shown you can see the interface is ok.
> > > 
> > > I think the best way is to get Live to send it's MIDI to the BCR/F and let that learn what is hears. I know some people have managed this but maybe still there are some things the BCR/F doesnt understand.
> > > 
> > > The alternative is to let Live learn. Watching that last video makes it reasonably clear what is going on.
> > > 
> > > The chaps sets Live to send info on MIDI CC 40.
> > > He then 'learns' this into his Live setup by selecting a control.
> > > And eventually, the CC40 is played back leaving the control to be associated with 40. Alles Klar!
> > > 
> > > Now, I wonder. If someone blindly follows the Live manual, then you
> > > 
> > > 1 - select a control in Live
> > > 2 - wiggle a knob/control on your remote service
> > > 
> > > And you are done.
> > > 
> > > BUT ... this is not a guaranteed algorithm on a BCR/BCF.
> > > Why? Well, it is possible to set different BCR knobs to send the same CC (or NPRN or PC or NOTE or like I said any midi).
> > > And if this happened you could re-educate the Live control so the same (but different!) BCR/F control.
> > > 
> > > So to me the safest way is to
> > > 
> > > 1 - for each type of control you want
> > > 
> > > (Fader, button, encoder)
> > > 
> > > Manually map a Live -> BCR/F
> > > 
> > > 2 - dump the sysex from BCR/F and observe it in Mark's BCManager software
> > > 
> > > 3 - Draw out a matrix (on paper) between what you want to externally control in Live, and the available controls on BCR/F [Dont forget you have 4 x the top row/buttons with the encoder groups].
> > > 
> > > 4 - Write the new unique controls you are going to send from the BCR/F being CAREFUL to avoid reserved ones [6, 38, 98, 99 are but a few but check out internet for list OR look at the drop down list on that video .. ie 40 was chosen for a reason!].
> > > 
> > > 5 - Using Mark's excellent software, and perhaps a few choice beverages, carefully program the BCR/F to map to your drawing.
> > > 
> > > Save it all and test this with say MidiOX (or again pretty sure Mark has put a MIDI sniffer in his toolset).
> > > 
> > > 6 - NOW go back to the Abelton, and learn away the controls ie select control on Abelton, and wiggle the appropriate BCR/F control you just programmed.
> > > 
> > > My guess is the Abelton BCR/F template assumes you loaded a specific preset to the BCR .. if you dont I can imagine one half is talking English and the other German ... the result is you get something that sometimes appears to work, other times doesnt. And then you start blaming rather than determining the mechanisms.
> > > 
> > > I wish you luck. And if you do make a template I guess you somehow have to provide BOTH ends of the mapping else why would you expect it to work?
> > > 
> > > Regards
> > > 
> > > Steve H
> > > 
> > > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, senang <senang@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Well I think you're right about the mismatch of techies/musicians. Then 
> > > > again I can imagine the frustration of the OP especially since Ableton 
> > > > Live does show a preset for the BCR2000! It's ridiculous or at the least 
> > > > false advertising if that stuff doesn't work. Like I have posted before 
> > > > I have yet to set up my BCR with Live as I have been using Sonar (which 
> > > > was a breeze setting up with ACT control) but this topic makes me 
> > > > anxious already ;)
> > > > 
> > > > What surprises me though, is that this is the only dedicated group in 
> > > > the world for the BCR/BCF and I can't imagine there is no one that uses 
> > > > the BCR with Live and thus being able to provide a template. I agree 
> > > > that problem-solving on a specified level as you suggests is more 
> > > > productive but -although not that profound- I think the OP's underlying 
> > > > heartfelt question is just 'HELP, give me a template!' ;) And I'm sure 
> > > > there are many (amongst myself) that would be very gratefull for that..
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

>
> I'm trying to set-up the BCR to work with Ableton. It's kind of bewildering. It's not responding in a well behaved way... and it's giving me a headache.
> 
> I have selected the BCR template in Preferences > Mdid/Sync. (Input & Output + Remote are all activated).
> I know that with this preset Abletons Device Parameters are controlled by the top 8 push encoders,and the top key buttons on the BCR select the 1-8 function banks. The BCR is sending data because ableton does respond on some random parameters (although in no logical sense that I've figured out yet) but not responding according to the way Mappings are set-up with the Ablton template (I checked the 'Control Surface Reference' help file in Ableton)
> 
> For example, I go to the ableton Device 'Analog', select Bank 1 on the BCR and move the top encoders, but Analog doesn't respond... same if I select Bank 2 which should move the 'Analog's' filters... but it doesn't respond. (I do have the Analog device selected with the little blue hand) 
> 
> 
> Question: Do I need to Dump the Ableton script to the BCR for it to work correctly? I've done this already and the lights on the BCR spin around like you would expect, but then at the last moment I get an Er22 error message.. So I presume the dump failed?? I've tried 2 usb cables and 2 different usb ports on my computer - same thing.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Question 2: I do have BC Manager, but shouldn't the BCR be able to work 'straight outta the box' with Abelton's included script/template? 
> 
> Thanks for any words of wisdom you can throw my way. I thought this would be a lot simpler...
> 
> Pat
>

>
> I'm trying to set-up the BCR to work with Ableton. It's kind of bewildering. It's not responding in a well behaved way... and it's giving me a headache.
> 
> I have selected the BCR template in Preferences > Mdid/Sync. (Input & Output + Remote are all activated).
> I know that with this preset Abletons Device Parameters are controlled by the top 8 push encoders,and the top key buttons on the BCR select the 1-8 function banks. The BCR is sending data because ableton does respond on some random parameters (although in no logical sense that I've figured out yet) but not responding according to the way Mappings are set-up with the Ablton template (I checked the 'Control Surface Reference' help file in Ableton)
> 
> For example, I go to the ableton Device 'Analog', select Bank 1 on the BCR and move the top encoders, but Analog doesn't respond... same if I select Bank 2 which should move the 'Analog's' filters... but it doesn't respond. (I do have the Analog device selected with the little blue hand) 
> 
> 
> Question: Do I need to Dump the Ableton script to the BCR for it to work correctly? I've done this already and the lights on the BCR spin around like you would expect, but then at the last moment I get an Er22 error message.. So I presume the dump failed?? I've tried 2 usb cables and 2 different usb ports on my computer - same thing.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Question 2: I do have BC Manager, but shouldn't the BCR be able to work 'straight outta the box' with Abelton's included script/template? 
> 
> Thanks for any words of wisdom you can throw my way. I thought this would be a lot simpler...
> 
> Pat
>

>
> I'm trying to set-up the BCR to work with Ableton. It's kind of bewildering. It's not responding in a well behaved way... and it's giving me a headache.
> 
> I have selected the BCR template in Preferences > Mdid/Sync. (Input & Output + Remote are all activated).
> I know that with this preset Abletons Device Parameters are controlled by the top 8 push encoders,and the top key buttons on the BCR select the 1-8 function banks. The BCR is sending data because ableton does respond on some random parameters (although in no logical sense that I've figured out yet) but not responding according to the way Mappings are set-up with the Ablton template (I checked the 'Control Surface Reference' help file in Ableton)
> 
> For example, I go to the ableton Device 'Analog', select Bank 1 on the BCR and move the top encoders, but Analog doesn't respond... same if I select Bank 2 which should move the 'Analog's' filters... but it doesn't respond. (I do have the Analog device selected with the little blue hand) 
> 
> 
> Question: Do I need to Dump the Ableton script to the BCR for it to work correctly? I've done this already and the lights on the BCR spin around like you would expect, but then at the last moment I get an Er22 error message.. So I presume the dump failed?? I've tried 2 usb cables and 2 different usb ports on my computer - same thing.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Question 2: I do have BC Manager, but shouldn't the BCR be able to work 'straight outta the box' with Abelton's included script/template? 
> 
> Thanks for any words of wisdom you can throw my way. I thought this would be a lot simpler...
> 
> Pat
>

>
> I'm trying to set-up the BCR to work with Ableton. It's kind of bewildering. It's not responding in a well behaved way... and it's giving me a headache.
> 
> I have selected the BCR template in Preferences > Mdid/Sync. (Input & Output + Remote are all activated).
> I know that with this preset Abletons Device Parameters are controlled by the top 8 push encoders,and the top key buttons on the BCR select the 1-8 function banks. The BCR is sending data because ableton does respond on some random parameters (although in no logical sense that I've figured out yet) but not responding according to the way Mappings are set-up with the Ablton template (I checked the 'Control Surface Reference' help file in Ableton)
> 
> For example, I go to the ableton Device 'Analog', select Bank 1 on the BCR and move the top encoders, but Analog doesn't respond... same if I select Bank 2 which should move the 'Analog's' filters... but it doesn't respond. (I do have the Analog device selected with the little blue hand) 
> 
> 
> Question: Do I need to Dump the Ableton script to the BCR for it to work correctly? I've done this already and the lights on the BCR spin around like you would expect, but then at the last moment I get an Er22 error message.. So I presume the dump failed?? I've tried 2 usb cables and 2 different usb ports on my computer - same thing.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Question 2: I do have BC Manager, but shouldn't the BCR be able to work 'straight outta the box' with Abelton's included script/template? 
> 
> Thanks for any words of wisdom you can throw my way. I thought this would be a lot simpler...
> 
> Pat
>

>
> I'm trying to set-up the BCR to work with Ableton. It's kind of bewildering. It's not responding in a well behaved way... and it's giving me a headache.
> 
> I have selected the BCR template in Preferences > Mdid/Sync. (Input & Output + Remote are all activated).
> I know that with this preset Abletons Device Parameters are controlled by the top 8 push encoders,and the top key buttons on the BCR select the 1-8 function banks. The BCR is sending data because ableton does respond on some random parameters (although in no logical sense that I've figured out yet) but not responding according to the way Mappings are set-up with the Ablton template (I checked the 'Control Surface Reference' help file in Ableton)
> 
> For example, I go to the ableton Device 'Analog', select Bank 1 on the BCR and move the top encoders, but Analog doesn't respond... same if I select Bank 2 which should move the 'Analog's' filters... but it doesn't respond. (I do have the Analog device selected with the little blue hand) 
> 
> 
> Question: Do I need to Dump the Ableton script to the BCR for it to work correctly? I've done this already and the lights on the BCR spin around like you would expect, but then at the last moment I get an Er22 error message.. So I presume the dump failed?? I've tried 2 usb cables and 2 different usb ports on my computer - same thing.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Question 2: I do have BC Manager, but shouldn't the BCR be able to work 'straight outta the box' with Abelton's included script/template? 
> 
> Thanks for any words of wisdom you can throw my way. I thought this would be a lot simpler...
> 
> Pat
>

>
> I'm trying to set-up the BCR to work with Ableton. It's kind of bewildering. It's not responding in a well behaved way... and it's giving me a headache.
> 
> I have selected the BCR template in Preferences > Mdid/Sync. (Input & Output + Remote are all activated).
> I know that with this preset Abletons Device Parameters are controlled by the top 8 push encoders,and the top key buttons on the BCR select the 1-8 function banks. The BCR is sending data because ableton does respond on some random parameters (although in no logical sense that I've figured out yet) but not responding according to the way Mappings are set-up with the Ablton template (I checked the 'Control Surface Reference' help file in Ableton)
> 
> For example, I go to the ableton Device 'Analog', select Bank 1 on the BCR and move the top encoders, but Analog doesn't respond... same if I select Bank 2 which should move the 'Analog's' filters... but it doesn't respond. (I do have the Analog device selected with the little blue hand) 
> 
> 
> Question: Do I need to Dump the Ableton script to the BCR for it to work correctly? I've done this already and the lights on the BCR spin around like you would expect, but then at the last moment I get an Er22 error message.. So I presume the dump failed?? I've tried 2 usb cables and 2 different usb ports on my computer - same thing.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Question 2: I do have BC Manager, but shouldn't the BCR be able to work 'straight outta the box' with Abelton's included script/template? 
> 
> Thanks for any words of wisdom you can throw my way. I thought this would be a lot simpler...
> 
> Pat
>

>
> I'm trying to set-up the BCR to work with Ableton. It's kind of bewildering. It's not responding in a well behaved way... and it's giving me a headache.
> 
> I have selected the BCR template in Preferences > Mdid/Sync. (Input & Output + Remote are all activated).
> I know that with this preset Abletons Device Parameters are controlled by the top 8 push encoders,and the top key buttons on the BCR select the 1-8 function banks. The BCR is sending data because ableton does respond on some random parameters (although in no logical sense that I've figured out yet) but not responding according to the way Mappings are set-up with the Ablton template (I checked the 'Control Surface Reference' help file in Ableton)
> 
> For example, I go to the ableton Device 'Analog', select Bank 1 on the BCR and move the top encoders, but Analog doesn't respond... same if I select Bank 2 which should move the 'Analog's' filters... but it doesn't respond. (I do have the Analog device selected with the little blue hand) 
> 
> 
> Question: Do I need to Dump the Ableton script to the BCR for it to work correctly? I've done this already and the lights on the BCR spin around like you would expect, but then at the last moment I get an Er22 error message.. So I presume the dump failed?? I've tried 2 usb cables and 2 different usb ports on my computer - same thing.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Question 2: I do have BC Manager, but shouldn't the BCR be able to work 'straight outta the box' with Abelton's included script/template? 
> 
> Thanks for any words of wisdom you can throw my way. I thought this would be a lot simpler...
> 
> Pat
>

>
> I'm trying to set-up the BCR to work with Ableton. It's kind of bewildering. It's not responding in a well behaved way... and it's giving me a headache.
> 
> I have selected the BCR template in Preferences > Mdid/Sync. (Input & Output + Remote are all activated).
> I know that with this preset Abletons Device Parameters are controlled by the top 8 push encoders,and the top key buttons on the BCR select the 1-8 function banks. The BCR is sending data because ableton does respond on some random parameters (although in no logical sense that I've figured out yet) but not responding according to the way Mappings are set-up with the Ablton template (I checked the 'Control Surface Reference' help file in Ableton)
> 
> For example, I go to the ableton Device 'Analog', select Bank 1 on the BCR and move the top encoders, but Analog doesn't respond... same if I select Bank 2 which should move the 'Analog's' filters... but it doesn't respond. (I do have the Analog device selected with the little blue hand) 
> 
> 
> Question: Do I need to Dump the Ableton script to the BCR for it to work correctly? I've done this already and the lights on the BCR spin around like you would expect, but then at the last moment I get an Er22 error message.. So I presume the dump failed?? I've tried 2 usb cables and 2 different usb ports on my computer - same thing.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Question 2: I do have BC Manager, but shouldn't the BCR be able to work 'straight outta the box' with Abelton's included script/template? 
> 
> Thanks for any words of wisdom you can throw my way. I thought this would be a lot simpler...
> 
> Pat
>

>
> I’ve been following this thread and wanted to know which files you are referring for download?
> 
> From: patgoodfellow 
> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 6:36 PM
> To: bc2000@yahoogroups.com 
> Subject: [bc2000] Re: BCR & Ableton set-up - what the deuce?!
> 
>   
> 2 important updates!
> 
> This file here works: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/bc2000/files/Presets/Abeton%20Live%20Mackie%20Presets/
> 
> Well, I say it works... everything works so far except control of device parameters, but I'm still fiddling with it. Just follow the instructions on the PDF.
> 
> More importantly... and this is important for the other guy who was following the thread. 
> 
> The Ableton remote script/template also works... but forget making the Dump from Ableton.. it sends the data too fast which is why many people receive the Er22 error message.
> 
> Use Midiox to send:
> 
> 1. In MidiOx, Go to 'Select Midi Devices to Open' > Select BCR (check data flow by twiddling a knob.. data stream should show in the Monitor Window.
> 2. View > SysEx
> 3. Command Window > Load File (C:\ProgramData\Ableton\Live 9 Suite\Resources\MIDI Remote Scripts\BCR2000)
> 4. Enjoy the LED show at a much slower pace than Abelton's Dump.
> 
> Store Preset on the BCR.
> 
> Select top right Encoder Group (1st of 4)
> 
> Click on the 1st of top row keys/buttons > this will take you to Bank 1 of functions... Hit Key/button #2, this will take you to next bank (On the Analaog this would filters) and so on...
> 
> One thing I'm not sure of with this preset, is there a function to jump to the next Device on a track (selecting the device with that little blue hand) without using a mouse? Does anyone reading this know?
> 
> I think Abletons script saved as preset 1 to give you control of Devices, in combination with Kip's preset for all other functions(I posted at the top) saved to preset 2 could give you all the control you need, without the few days of headaches I've just gone through.
> 
> Potentially anyway... for me, anything involving midi has a habit of failing for inexplicable reasons and without warning.
> 
> Cheers for everyone's help... this group still has some life!
> 
> Pat
> 
> --- In mailto:bc2000%40yahoogroups.com, "patgoodfellow" <GOODFELLOWPAT@> wrote:
> >
> > I'm trying to set-up the BCR to work with Ableton. It's kind of bewildering. It's not responding in a well behaved way... and it's giving me a headache.
> > 
> > I have selected the BCR template in Preferences > Mdid/Sync. (Input & Output + Remote are all activated).
> > I know that with this preset Abletons Device Parameters are controlled by the top 8 push encoders,and the top key buttons on the BCR select the 1-8 function banks. The BCR is sending data because ableton does respond on some random parameters (although in no logical sense that I've figured out yet) but not responding according to the way Mappings are set-up with the Ablton template (I checked the 'Control Surface Reference' help file in Ableton)
> > 
> > For example, I go to the ableton Device 'Analog', select Bank 1 on the BCR and move the top encoders, but Analog doesn't respond... same if I select Bank 2 which should move the 'Analog's' filters... but it doesn't respond. (I do have the Analog device selected with the little blue hand) 
> > 
> > 
> > Question: Do I need to Dump the Ableton script to the BCR for it to work correctly? I've done this already and the lights on the BCR spin around like you would expect, but then at the last moment I get an Er22 error message.. So I presume the dump failed?? I've tried 2 usb cables and 2 different usb ports on my computer - same thing.
> > 
> > Any ideas?
> > 
> > Question 2: I do have BC Manager, but shouldn't the BCR be able to work 'straight outta the box' with Abelton's included script/template? 
> > 
> > Thanks for any words of wisdom you can throw my way. I thought this would be a lot simpler...
> > 
> > Pat
> >
>

>
> I’ve been following this thread and wanted to know which files you are referring for download?
> 
> From: patgoodfellow 
> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 6:36 PM
> To: mailto:bc2000%40yahoogroups.com 
> Subject: [bc2000] Re: BCR & Ableton set-up - what the deuce?!
> 
> 
> 2 important updates!
> 
> This file here works: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/bc2000/files/Presets/Abeton%20Live%20Mackie%20Presets/
> 
> Well, I say it works... everything works so far except control of device parameters, but I'm still fiddling with it. Just follow the instructions on the PDF.
> 
> More importantly... and this is important for the other guy who was following the thread. 
> 
> The Ableton remote script/template also works... but forget making the Dump from Ableton.. it sends the data too fast which is why many people receive the Er22 error message.
> 
> Use Midiox to send:
> 
> 1. In MidiOx, Go to 'Select Midi Devices to Open' > Select BCR (check data flow by twiddling a knob.. data stream should show in the Monitor Window.
> 2. View > SysEx
> 3. Command Window > Load File (C:\ProgramData\Ableton\Live 9 Suite\Resources\MIDI Remote Scripts\BCR2000)
> 4. Enjoy the LED show at a much slower pace than Abelton's Dump.
> 
> Store Preset on the BCR.
> 
> Select top right Encoder Group (1st of 4)
> 
> Click on the 1st of top row keys/buttons > this will take you to Bank 1 of functions... Hit Key/button #2, this will take you to next bank (On the Analaog this would filters) and so on...
> 
> One thing I'm not sure of with this preset, is there a function to jump to the next Device on a track (selecting the device with that little blue hand) without using a mouse? Does anyone reading this know?
> 
> I think Abletons script saved as preset 1 to give you control of Devices, in combination with Kip's preset for all other functions(I posted at the top) saved to preset 2 could give you all the control you need, without the few days of headaches I've just gone through.
> 
> Potentially anyway... for me, anything involving midi has a habit of failing for inexplicable reasons and without warning.
> 
> Cheers for everyone's help... this group still has some life!
> 
> Pat
> 
> --- In mailto:bc2000%40yahoogroups.com, "patgoodfellow" <GOODFELLOWPAT@> wrote:
> >
> > I'm trying to set-up the BCR to work with Ableton. It's kind of bewildering. It's not responding in a well behaved way... and it's giving me a headache.
> > 
> > I have selected the BCR template in Preferences > Mdid/Sync. (Input & Output + Remote are all activated).
> > I know that with this preset Abletons Device Parameters are controlled by the top 8 push encoders,and the top key buttons on the BCR select the 1-8 function banks. The BCR is sending data because ableton does respond on some random parameters (although in no logical sense that I've figured out yet) but not responding according to the way Mappings are set-up with the Ablton template (I checked the 'Control Surface Reference' help file in Ableton)
> > 
> > For example, I go to the ableton Device 'Analog', select Bank 1 on the BCR and move the top encoders, but Analog doesn't respond... same if I select Bank 2 which should move the 'Analog's' filters... but it doesn't respond. (I do have the Analog device selected with the little blue hand) 
> > 
> > 
> > Question: Do I need to Dump the Ableton script to the BCR for it to work correctly? I've done this already and the lights on the BCR spin around like you would expect, but then at the last moment I get an Er22 error message.. So I presume the dump failed?? I've tried 2 usb cables and 2 different usb ports on my computer - same thing.
> > 
> > Any ideas?
> > 
> > Question 2: I do have BC Manager, but shouldn't the BCR be able to work 'straight outta the box' with Abelton's included script/template? 
> > 
> > Thanks for any words of wisdom you can throw my way. I thought this would be a lot simpler...
> > 
> > Pat
> >
>

>
> There are 2.... which give you 2 different presets/methods
> 
> The 1st is a preset from a guy called Kip: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/bc2000/files/Presets/Abeton%20Live%20Mackie%20Presets/
> 
> Just download that zip folder and follow his instructions.
> 
> 
> The 2nd, where I start talking about MidiOX is referring to the BCR preset that comes with Ableton. To activate this, in Ableton you need to go to Preferences > Midi/Sync and then select the BCR2000 template. 
> 
> Once you activated it and your BCR is connected of course, you'll see 'Dump'...(still in Preferences > Midi/Sync) which sends the mappings Ableton has made to your BCR. The issue for me was the Dump was not working.... with MidiOx, it does.
> 
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Staton" <statonga@> wrote:
> >
> > I’ve been following this thread and wanted to know which files you are referring for download?
> > 
> > From: patgoodfellow 
> > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 6:36 PM
> > To: bc2000@yahoogroups.com 
> > Subject: [bc2000] Re: BCR & Ableton set-up - what the deuce?!
> > 
> >   
> > 2 important updates!
> > 
> > This file here works: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/bc2000/files/Presets/Abeton%20Live%20Mackie%20Presets/
> > 
> > Well, I say it works... everything works so far except control of device parameters, but I'm still fiddling with it. Just follow the instructions on the PDF.
> > 
> > More importantly... and this is important for the other guy who was following the thread. 
> > 
> > The Ableton remote script/template also works... but forget making the Dump from Ableton.. it sends the data too fast which is why many people receive the Er22 error message.
> > 
> > Use Midiox to send:
> > 
> > 1. In MidiOx, Go to 'Select Midi Devices to Open' > Select BCR (check data flow by twiddling a knob.. data stream should show in the Monitor Window.
> > 2. View > SysEx
> > 3. Command Window > Load File (C:\ProgramData\Ableton\Live 9 Suite\Resources\MIDI Remote Scripts\BCR2000)
> > 4. Enjoy the LED show at a much slower pace than Abelton's Dump.
> > 
> > Store Preset on the BCR.
> > 
> > Select top right Encoder Group (1st of 4)
> > 
> > Click on the 1st of top row keys/buttons > this will take you to Bank 1 of functions... Hit Key/button #2, this will take you to next bank (On the Analaog this would filters) and so on...
> > 
> > One thing I'm not sure of with this preset, is there a function to jump to the next Device on a track (selecting the device with that little blue hand) without using a mouse? Does anyone reading this know?
> > 
> > I think Abletons script saved as preset 1 to give you control of Devices, in combination with Kip's preset for all other functions(I posted at the top) saved to preset 2 could give you all the control you need, without the few days of headaches I've just gone through.
> > 
> > Potentially anyway... for me, anything involving midi has a habit of failing for inexplicable reasons and without warning.
> > 
> > Cheers for everyone's help... this group still has some life!
> > 
> > Pat
> > 
> > --- In mailto:bc2000%40yahoogroups.com, "patgoodfellow" <GOODFELLOWPAT@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm trying to set-up the BCR to work with Ableton. It's kind of bewildering. It's not responding in a well behaved way... and it's giving me a headache.
> > > 
> > > I have selected the BCR template in Preferences > Mdid/Sync. (Input & Output + Remote are all activated).
> > > I know that with this preset Abletons Device Parameters are controlled by the top 8 push encoders,and the top key buttons on the BCR select the 1-8 function banks. The BCR is sending data because ableton does respond on some random parameters (although in no logical sense that I've figured out yet) but not responding according to the way Mappings are set-up with the Ablton template (I checked the 'Control Surface Reference' help file in Ableton)
> > > 
> > > For example, I go to the ableton Device 'Analog', select Bank 1 on the BCR and move the top encoders, but Analog doesn't respond... same if I select Bank 2 which should move the 'Analog's' filters... but it doesn't respond. (I do have the Analog device selected with the little blue hand) 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Question: Do I need to Dump the Ableton script to the BCR for it to work correctly? I've done this already and the lights on the BCR spin around like you would expect, but then at the last moment I get an Er22 error message.. So I presume the dump failed?? I've tried 2 usb cables and 2 different usb ports on my computer - same thing.
> > > 
> > > Any ideas?
> > > 
> > > Question 2: I do have BC Manager, but shouldn't the BCR be able to work 'straight outta the box' with Abelton's included script/template? 
> > > 
> > > Thanks for any words of wisdom you can throw my way. I thought this would be a lot simpler...
> > > 
> > > Pat
> > >
> >
>

>
> So for my benefit ... does this mean the Abelton template does work with the BCR, but that the flashing of the preset was not working (until you used Midi-Ox)?
> 
> And how you have the fun of making your own customisation?
> 
> Because that is a whole different fun problem, but you already demonstrated you have all the tools to get what you want from it.
> 
> In which case, excellent work. And I guess hopefully you can add your template / mapping to the files section for other Abelton fans to use / abuse.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Steve H
> 
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "patgoodfellow" <GOODFELLOWPAT@> wrote:
> >
> > There are 2.... which give you 2 different presets/methods
> > 
> > The 1st is a preset from a guy called Kip: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/bc2000/files/Presets/Abeton%20Live%20Mackie%20Presets/
> > 
> > Just download that zip folder and follow his instructions.
> > 
> > 
> > The 2nd, where I start talking about MidiOX is referring to the BCR preset that comes with Ableton. To activate this, in Ableton you need to go to Preferences > Midi/Sync and then select the BCR2000 template. 
> > 
> > Once you activated it and your BCR is connected of course, you'll see 'Dump'...(still in Preferences > Midi/Sync) which sends the mappings Ableton has made to your BCR. The issue for me was the Dump was not working.... with MidiOx, it does.
> > 
> > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Staton" <statonga@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I’ve been following this thread and wanted to know which files you are referring for download?
> > > 
> > > From: patgoodfellow 
> > > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 6:36 PM
> > > To: bc2000@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Subject: [bc2000] Re: BCR & Ableton set-up - what the deuce?!
> > > 
> > >   
> > > 2 important updates!
> > > 
> > > This file here works: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/bc2000/files/Presets/Abeton%20Live%20Mackie%20Presets/
> > > 
> > > Well, I say it works... everything works so far except control of device parameters, but I'm still fiddling with it. Just follow the instructions on the PDF.
> > > 
> > > More importantly... and this is important for the other guy who was following the thread. 
> > > 
> > > The Ableton remote script/template also works... but forget making the Dump from Ableton.. it sends the data too fast which is why many people receive the Er22 error message.
> > > 
> > > Use Midiox to send:
> > > 
> > > 1. In MidiOx, Go to 'Select Midi Devices to Open' > Select BCR (check data flow by twiddling a knob.. data stream should show in the Monitor Window.
> > > 2. View > SysEx
> > > 3. Command Window > Load File (C:\ProgramData\Ableton\Live 9 Suite\Resources\MIDI Remote Scripts\BCR2000)
> > > 4. Enjoy the LED show at a much slower pace than Abelton's Dump.
> > > 
> > > Store Preset on the BCR.
> > > 
> > > Select top right Encoder Group (1st of 4)
> > > 
> > > Click on the 1st of top row keys/buttons > this will take you to Bank 1 of functions... Hit Key/button #2, this will take you to next bank (On the Analaog this would filters) and so on...
> > > 
> > > One thing I'm not sure of with this preset, is there a function to jump to the next Device on a track (selecting the device with that little blue hand) without using a mouse? Does anyone reading this know?
> > > 
> > > I think Abletons script saved as preset 1 to give you control of Devices, in combination with Kip's preset for all other functions(I posted at the top) saved to preset 2 could give you all the control you need, without the few days of headaches I've just gone through.
> > > 
> > > Potentially anyway... for me, anything involving midi has a habit of failing for inexplicable reasons and without warning.
> > > 
> > > Cheers for everyone's help... this group still has some life!
> > > 
> > > Pat
> > > 
> > > --- In mailto:bc2000%40yahoogroups.com, "patgoodfellow" <GOODFELLOWPAT@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm trying to set-up the BCR to work with Ableton. It's kind of bewildering. It's not responding in a well behaved way... and it's giving me a headache.
> > > > 
> > > > I have selected the BCR template in Preferences > Mdid/Sync. (Input & Output + Remote are all activated).
> > > > I know that with this preset Abletons Device Parameters are controlled by the top 8 push encoders,and the top key buttons on the BCR select the 1-8 function banks. The BCR is sending data because ableton does respond on some random parameters (although in no logical sense that I've figured out yet) but not responding according to the way Mappings are set-up with the Ablton template (I checked the 'Control Surface Reference' help file in Ableton)
> > > > 
> > > > For example, I go to the ableton Device 'Analog', select Bank 1 on the BCR and move the top encoders, but Analog doesn't respond... same if I select Bank 2 which should move the 'Analog's' filters... but it doesn't respond. (I do have the Analog device selected with the little blue hand) 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Question: Do I need to Dump the Ableton script to the BCR for it to work correctly? I've done this already and the lights on the BCR spin around like you would expect, but then at the last moment I get an Er22 error message.. So I presume the dump failed?? I've tried 2 usb cables and 2 different usb ports on my computer - same thing.
> > > > 
> > > > Any ideas?
> > > > 
> > > > Question 2: I do have BC Manager, but shouldn't the BCR be able to work 'straight outta the box' with Abelton's included script/template? 
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks for any words of wisdom you can throw my way. I thought this would be a lot simpler...
> > > > 
> > > > Pat
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

>
> Hi Steve,
> 
> Well it's early days ... and I'm just about to start it up again, now that I've just finished work, but yea. The Ableton template is quite usable... once you actually succeed in getting into the BCR.
> 
> I did a lot of searching and many folks had the same issue with the Er22 error message - sending it through MidiOx (instead of Ableton's Dump) solved that.
> 
> I'll no doubt re-visit this thread once I've familiarized myself with what I've got working so far, and feel like making some customizations.
> 
> I actually bought the BCR to delve under the hood of the DSI desktop Evolver.... so that will be next. I see there are already some templates here for that...
> 
> I can't thank you enough for your input Steve! You're a gent.
> 
> Cheers,
> Pat
> 
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, sghookings@ wrote:
> >
> > So for my benefit ... does this mean the Abelton template does work with the BCR, but that the flashing of the preset was not working (until you used Midi-Ox)?
> > 
> > And how you have the fun of making your own customisation?
> > 
> > Because that is a whole different fun problem, but you already demonstrated you have all the tools to get what you want from it.
> > 
> > In which case, excellent work. And I guess hopefully you can add your template / mapping to the files section for other Abelton fans to use / abuse.
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > Steve H
> > 
> > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "patgoodfellow" <GOODFELLOWPAT@> wrote:
> > >
> > > There are 2.... which give you 2 different presets/methods
> > > 
> > > The 1st is a preset from a guy called Kip: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/bc2000/files/Presets/Abeton%20Live%20Mackie%20Presets/
> > > 
> > > Just download that zip folder and follow his instructions.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > The 2nd, where I start talking about MidiOX is referring to the BCR preset that comes with Ableton. To activate this, in Ableton you need to go to Preferences > Midi/Sync and then select the BCR2000 template. 
> > > 
> > > Once you activated it and your BCR is connected of course, you'll see 'Dump'...(still in Preferences > Midi/Sync) which sends the mappings Ableton has made to your BCR. The issue for me was the Dump was not working.... with MidiOx, it does.
> > > 
> > > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Staton" <statonga@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I’ve been following this thread and wanted to know which files you are referring for download?
> > > > 
> > > > From: patgoodfellow 
> > > > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 6:36 PM
> > > > To: bc2000@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > Subject: [bc2000] Re: BCR & Ableton set-up - what the deuce?!
> > > > 
> > > >   
> > > > 2 important updates!
> > > > 
> > > > This file here works: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/bc2000/files/Presets/Abeton%20Live%20Mackie%20Presets/
> > > > 
> > > > Well, I say it works... everything works so far except control of device parameters, but I'm still fiddling with it. Just follow the instructions on the PDF.
> > > > 
> > > > More importantly... and this is important for the other guy who was following the thread. 
> > > > 
> > > > The Ableton remote script/template also works... but forget making the Dump from Ableton.. it sends the data too fast which is why many people receive the Er22 error message.
> > > > 
> > > > Use Midiox to send:
> > > > 
> > > > 1. In MidiOx, Go to 'Select Midi Devices to Open' > Select BCR (check data flow by twiddling a knob.. data stream should show in the Monitor Window.
> > > > 2. View > SysEx
> > > > 3. Command Window > Load File (C:\ProgramData\Ableton\Live 9 Suite\Resources\MIDI Remote Scripts\BCR2000)
> > > > 4. Enjoy the LED show at a much slower pace than Abelton's Dump.
> > > > 
> > > > Store Preset on the BCR.
> > > > 
> > > > Select top right Encoder Group (1st of 4)
> > > > 
> > > > Click on the 1st of top row keys/buttons > this will take you to Bank 1 of functions... Hit Key/button #2, this will take you to next bank (On the Analaog this would filters) and so on...
> > > > 
> > > > One thing I'm not sure of with this preset, is there a function to jump to the next Device on a track (selecting the device with that little blue hand) without using a mouse? Does anyone reading this know?
> > > > 
> > > > I think Abletons script saved as preset 1 to give you control of Devices, in combination with Kip's preset for all other functions(I posted at the top) saved to preset 2 could give you all the control you need, without the few days of headaches I've just gone through.
> > > > 
> > > > Potentially anyway... for me, anything involving midi has a habit of failing for inexplicable reasons and without warning.
> > > > 
> > > > Cheers for everyone's help... this group still has some life!
> > > > 
> > > > Pat
> > > > 
> > > > --- In mailto:bc2000%40yahoogroups.com, "patgoodfellow" <GOODFELLOWPAT@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm trying to set-up the BCR to work with Ableton. It's kind of bewildering. It's not responding in a well behaved way... and it's giving me a headache.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I have selected the BCR template in Preferences > Mdid/Sync. (Input & Output + Remote are all activated).
> > > > > I know that with this preset Abletons Device Parameters are controlled by the top 8 push encoders,and the top key buttons on the BCR select the 1-8 function banks. The BCR is sending data because ableton does respond on some random parameters (although in no logical sense that I've figured out yet) but not responding according to the way Mappings are set-up with the Ablton template (I checked the 'Control Surface Reference' help file in Ableton)
> > > > > 
> > > > > For example, I go to the ableton Device 'Analog', select Bank 1 on the BCR and move the top encoders, but Analog doesn't respond... same if I select Bank 2 which should move the 'Analog's' filters... but it doesn't respond. (I do have the Analog device selected with the little blue hand) 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Question: Do I need to Dump the Ableton script to the BCR for it to work correctly? I've done this already and the lights on the BCR spin around like you would expect, but then at the last moment I get an Er22 error message.. So I presume the dump failed?? I've tried 2 usb cables and 2 different usb ports on my computer - same thing.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Any ideas?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Question 2: I do have BC Manager, but shouldn't the BCR be able to work 'straight outta the box' with Abelton's included script/template? 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thanks for any words of wisdom you can throw my way. I thought this would be a lot simpler...
> > > > > 
> > > > > Pat
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

>
> I am following your progress too mate.:)
> 
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "patgoodfellow" <GOODFELLOWPAT@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Steve,
> > 
> > Well it's early days ... and I'm just about to start it up again, now that I've just finished work, but yea. The Ableton template is quite usable... once you actually succeed in getting into the BCR.
> > 
> > I did a lot of searching and many folks had the same issue with the Er22 error message - sending it through MidiOx (instead of Ableton's Dump) solved that.
> > 
> > I'll no doubt re-visit this thread once I've familiarized myself with what I've got working so far, and feel like making some customizations.
> > 
> > I actually bought the BCR to delve under the hood of the DSI desktop Evolver.... so that will be next. I see there are already some templates here for that...
> > 
> > I can't thank you enough for your input Steve! You're a gent.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Pat
> > 
> > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, sghookings@ wrote:
> > >
> > > So for my benefit ... does this mean the Abelton template does work with the BCR, but that the flashing of the preset was not working (until you used Midi-Ox)?
> > > 
> > > And how you have the fun of making your own customisation?
> > > 
> > > Because that is a whole different fun problem, but you already demonstrated you have all the tools to get what you want from it.
> > > 
> > > In which case, excellent work. And I guess hopefully you can add your template / mapping to the files section for other Abelton fans to use / abuse.
> > > 
> > > Regards
> > > 
> > > Steve H
> > > 
> > > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "patgoodfellow" <GOODFELLOWPAT@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > There are 2.... which give you 2 different presets/methods
> > > > 
> > > > The 1st is a preset from a guy called Kip: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/bc2000/files/Presets/Abeton%20Live%20Mackie%20Presets/
> > > > 
> > > > Just download that zip folder and follow his instructions.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > The 2nd, where I start talking about MidiOX is referring to the BCR preset that comes with Ableton. To activate this, in Ableton you need to go to Preferences > Midi/Sync and then select the BCR2000 template. 
> > > > 
> > > > Once you activated it and your BCR is connected of course, you'll see 'Dump'...(still in Preferences > Midi/Sync) which sends the mappings Ableton has made to your BCR. The issue for me was the Dump was not working.... with MidiOx, it does.
> > > > 
> > > > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Staton" <statonga@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I’ve been following this thread and wanted to know which files you are referring for download?
> > > > > 
> > > > > From: patgoodfellow 
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 6:36 PM
> > > > > To: bc2000@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > > Subject: [bc2000] Re: BCR & Ableton set-up - what the deuce?!
> > > > > 
> > > > >   
> > > > > 2 important updates!
> > > > > 
> > > > > This file here works: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/bc2000/files/Presets/Abeton%20Live%20Mackie%20Presets/
> > > > > 
> > > > > Well, I say it works... everything works so far except control of device parameters, but I'm still fiddling with it. Just follow the instructions on the PDF.
> > > > > 
> > > > > More importantly... and this is important for the other guy who was following the thread. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > The Ableton remote script/template also works... but forget making the Dump from Ableton.. it sends the data too fast which is why many people receive the Er22 error message.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Use Midiox to send:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 1. In MidiOx, Go to 'Select Midi Devices to Open' > Select BCR (check data flow by twiddling a knob.. data stream should show in the Monitor Window.
> > > > > 2. View > SysEx
> > > > > 3. Command Window > Load File (C:\ProgramData\Ableton\Live 9 Suite\Resources\MIDI Remote Scripts\BCR2000)
> > > > > 4. Enjoy the LED show at a much slower pace than Abelton's Dump.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Store Preset on the BCR.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Select top right Encoder Group (1st of 4)
> > > > > 
> > > > > Click on the 1st of top row keys/buttons > this will take you to Bank 1 of functions... Hit Key/button #2, this will take you to next bank (On the Analaog this would filters) and so on...
> > > > > 
> > > > > One thing I'm not sure of with this preset, is there a function to jump to the next Device on a track (selecting the device with that little blue hand) without using a mouse? Does anyone reading this know?
> > > > > 
> > > > > I think Abletons script saved as preset 1 to give you control of Devices, in combination with Kip's preset for all other functions(I posted at the top) saved to preset 2 could give you all the control you need, without the few days of headaches I've just gone through.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Potentially anyway... for me, anything involving midi has a habit of failing for inexplicable reasons and without warning.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Cheers for everyone's help... this group still has some life!
> > > > > 
> > > > > Pat
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In mailto:bc2000%40yahoogroups.com, "patgoodfellow" <GOODFELLOWPAT@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm trying to set-up the BCR to work with Ableton. It's kind of bewildering. It's not responding in a well behaved way... and it's giving me a headache.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I have selected the BCR template in Preferences > Mdid/Sync. (Input & Output + Remote are all activated).
> > > > > > I know that with this preset Abletons Device Parameters are controlled by the top 8 push encoders,and the top key buttons on the BCR select the 1-8 function banks. The BCR is sending data because ableton does respond on some random parameters (although in no logical sense that I've figured out yet) but not responding according to the way Mappings are set-up with the Ablton template (I checked the 'Control Surface Reference' help file in Ableton)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > For example, I go to the ableton Device 'Analog', select Bank 1 on the BCR and move the top encoders, but Analog doesn't respond... same if I select Bank 2 which should move the 'Analog's' filters... but it doesn't respond. (I do have the Analog device selected with the little blue hand) 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Question: Do I need to Dump the Ableton script to the BCR for it to work correctly? I've done this already and the lights on the BCR spin around like you would expect, but then at the last moment I get an Er22 error message.. So I presume the dump failed?? I've tried 2 usb cables and 2 different usb ports on my computer - same thing.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Any ideas?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Question 2: I do have BC Manager, but shouldn't the BCR be able to work 'straight outta the box' with Abelton's included script/template? 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Thanks for any words of wisdom you can throw my way. I thought this would be a lot simpler...
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Pat
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

 From: mmruijgrok <senang@...>
To: bc2000@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 6:19 PM
Subject: [bc2000] Re: BCR & Ableton set-up  - what the deuce?!
 


  
Guys,

I've been following this thread cause in the near future I'm gonna try setting up my BCR with Live as well. I'm too unexperienced to contribute anything but I just want to let you all know how much I appreciate to see all the efforts made here to help out another BCR user.

This is some good resources in this group. I though it was dead already but I'm glad I was wrong. Again, thanks for providing the info I can work with in the near future when I'm actually ready to set up my BCR.