Good stuff.... it's nice to be able to give something back to a forum for a change. Last night I played with Kips file: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/bc2000/files/Presets/Abeton%20Live%20Mackie%20Presets/ This also handles Device parameters very well. I discovered a function to switch through banks of 8 parameters at a time. So for example, on the EQ8 you can switch from Gain settings ( all 8 ) to frequency settings (all 8).. etc... If anyone is interested it's the very bottom left encoder that switches between banks. The 8 encoders above, control the selected Device parameters. One thing I didn't mention... but it's included in Kips instructions anyway... You must select MackieControl for the BCR in Ableton's preferences. One thing I've tried and failed so far is to get MidiTools (mountain Utilities) to Display the MackieControl LCD emulation. I think I might be missing a step here... like using something like MidiYoke... I dunno. This apparently makes it easier to see what's going on with device parameters. If anyone has any tips on getting this set-up - that'd be appreciated. --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "richardmelhuish" <spaman22@...> wrote: > > I am following your progress too mate.:) > > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "patgoodfellow" <GOODFELLOWPAT@> wrote: > > > > Hi Steve, > > > > Well it's early days ... and I'm just about to start it up again, now that I've just finished work, but yea. The Ableton template is quite usable... once you actually succeed in getting into the BCR. > > > > I did a lot of searching and many folks had the same issue with the Er22 error message - sending it through MidiOx (instead of Ableton's Dump) solved that. > > > > I'll no doubt re-visit this thread once I've familiarized myself with what I've got working so far, and feel like making some customizations. > > > > I actually bought the BCR to delve under the hood of the DSI desktop Evolver.... so that will be next. I see there are already some templates here for that... > > > > I can't thank you enough for your input Steve! You're a gent. > > > > Cheers, > > Pat > > > > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, sghookings@ wrote: > > > > > > So for my benefit ... does this mean the Abelton template does work with the BCR, but that the flashing of the preset was not working (until you used Midi-Ox)? > > > > > > And how you have the fun of making your own customisation? > > > > > > Because that is a whole different fun problem, but you already demonstrated you have all the tools to get what you want from it. > > > > > > In which case, excellent work. And I guess hopefully you can add your template / mapping to the files section for other Abelton fans to use / abuse. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Steve H > > > > > > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "patgoodfellow" <GOODFELLOWPAT@> wrote: > > > > > > > > There are 2.... which give you 2 different presets/methods > > > > > > > > The 1st is a preset from a guy called Kip: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/bc2000/files/Presets/Abeton%20Live%20Mackie%20Presets/ > > > > > > > > Just download that zip folder and follow his instructions. > > > > > > > > > > > > The 2nd, where I start talking about MidiOX is referring to the BCR preset that comes with Ableton. To activate this, in Ableton you need to go to Preferences > Midi/Sync and then select the BCR2000 template. > > > > > > > > Once you activated it and your BCR is connected of course, you'll see 'Dump'...(still in Preferences > Midi/Sync) which sends the mappings Ableton has made to your BCR. The issue for me was the Dump was not working.... with MidiOx, it does. > > > > > > > > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Staton" <statonga@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Iâve been following this thread and wanted to know which files you are referring for download? > > > > > > > > > > From: patgoodfellow > > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 6:36 PM > > > > > To: bc2000@yahoogroups.com > > > > > Subject: [bc2000] Re: BCR & Ableton set-up - what the deuce?! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2 important updates! > > > > > > > > > > This file here works: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/bc2000/files/Presets/Abeton%20Live%20Mackie%20Presets/ > > > > > > > > > > Well, I say it works... everything works so far except control of device parameters, but I'm still fiddling with it. Just follow the instructions on the PDF. > > > > > > > > > > More importantly... and this is important for the other guy who was following the thread. > > > > > > > > > > The Ableton remote script/template also works... but forget making the Dump from Ableton.. it sends the data too fast which is why many people receive the Er22 error message. > > > > > > > > > > Use Midiox to send: > > > > > > > > > > 1. In MidiOx, Go to 'Select Midi Devices to Open' > Select BCR (check data flow by twiddling a knob.. data stream should show in the Monitor Window. > > > > > 2. View > SysEx > > > > > 3. Command Window > Load File (C:\ProgramData\Ableton\Live 9 Suite\Resources\MIDI Remote Scripts\BCR2000) > > > > > 4. Enjoy the LED show at a much slower pace than Abelton's Dump. > > > > > > > > > > Store Preset on the BCR. > > > > > > > > > > Select top right Encoder Group (1st of 4) > > > > > > > > > > Click on the 1st of top row keys/buttons > this will take you to Bank 1 of functions... Hit Key/button #2, this will take you to next bank (On the Analaog this would filters) and so on... > > > > > > > > > > One thing I'm not sure of with this preset, is there a function to jump to the next Device on a track (selecting the device with that little blue hand) without using a mouse? Does anyone reading this know? > > > > > > > > > > I think Abletons script saved as preset 1 to give you control of Devices, in combination with Kip's preset for all other functions(I posted at the top) saved to preset 2 could give you all the control you need, without the few days of headaches I've just gone through. > > > > > > > > > > Potentially anyway... for me, anything involving midi has a habit of failing for inexplicable reasons and without warning. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers for everyone's help... this group still has some life! > > > > > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > > > > > --- In mailto:bc2000%40yahoogroups.com, "patgoodfellow" <GOODFELLOWPAT@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm trying to set-up the BCR to work with Ableton. It's kind of bewildering. It's not responding in a well behaved way... and it's giving me a headache. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have selected the BCR template in Preferences > Mdid/Sync. (Input & Output + Remote are all activated). > > > > > > I know that with this preset Abletons Device Parameters are controlled by the top 8 push encoders,and the top key buttons on the BCR select the 1-8 function banks. The BCR is sending data because ableton does respond on some random parameters (although in no logical sense that I've figured out yet) but not responding according to the way Mappings are set-up with the Ablton template (I checked the 'Control Surface Reference' help file in Ableton) > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, I go to the ableton Device 'Analog', select Bank 1 on the BCR and move the top encoders, but Analog doesn't respond... same if I select Bank 2 which should move the 'Analog's' filters... but it doesn't respond. (I do have the Analog device selected with the little blue hand) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Question: Do I need to Dump the Ableton script to the BCR for it to work correctly? I've done this already and the lights on the BCR spin around like you would expect, but then at the last moment I get an Er22 error message.. So I presume the dump failed?? I've tried 2 usb cables and 2 different usb ports on my computer - same thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > > > > > > > Question 2: I do have BC Manager, but shouldn't the BCR be able to work 'straight outta the box' with Abelton's included script/template? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for any words of wisdom you can throw my way. I thought this would be a lot simpler... > > > > > > > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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Re: BCR & Ableton set-up - what the deuce?!
2013-05-21 by patgoodfellow