Bc2000 (for the BCF2000 & BCR2000) group photo

Yahoo Groups archive

Bc2000 (for the BCF2000 & BCR2000)

Index last updated: 2026-04-28 23:16 UTC

Message

Re: Question for Royce re parameter feedback

2013-07-07 by sghookings@...

and we come full circle to the benefits of putting a small embedded processor between the MIDI IN/OUT of the BCR ... the -ve NRPN thing.

It frustrates me slightly that the BCR uses an ARM chip that has signed and unsigned integers. For the want of allowing the signed to be considered unsigned we could have both the official NRPN (that Behrninger supports) and the unofficial one that AKAI, E-MU and a plethora of other people support.

Hence the Arduino Mega, and LCD and hours of design/experimentation in the garage ... cannot be bothered to watch the Wimbledon final ... hmmh time to play with this global parameter and my bespoke buffering algorithms.

Regards

Steve H

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Royce" <rpcfender@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Bill
> 
> > I set up the beginnings of an AN1x editor on the iPad, and changing filter cutoff whilst holding down a note was bit stuttery using Sysex, but completely smooth using CC.  I decided I would stick with the sysex because of the obvious advantages (eg doesn't matter how many different synths receive the sysex - only the intended one will respond).
> 
> Try adjusting the .txinterval in the Global section of the BCR and see if that makes any difference. If it does then you can do the delay in your editor not on the BCR so it doesn't effect the other presets.
> 
> > 
> > To be honest, a bit of jumpiness whilst editing doesn't bother me. For me the BCR (or any editor) is about modifying the synth's sounds, not as a live performance control.  So even having to repeatedly press a note doesn't worry me.
> 
> A different mission. The joys of bespoke software.
> > 
> > The iPad editor is fun, but I have established with the developer (TB MIDI Stuff) that there is no way for it to receive a parameter dump and sync up to patch changes on the synth.  So your approach has the potential to integrate editor and synth better than anything else available.
> 
> You need a Midi In and out for both the synth and the BCR. 
> The iPad will take the USB (via Apple Camera Adapter) of the BCR and produce multiple interfaces (at least it does on Kevin Chartier's 'MorphWiz' app)
> Not sure if you can do it via WiFi.
>  
> > Would your approach be able to work with more than one preset page, or would it work best with all parameters on a single page?
> 
> I really like the way Reason do it (so that's why I nicked their idea).
> It looks like they have the BCR using CC messages with 0-127 range and never change this.
> They then assign a block of controls/parameters in Reason to the BCR based on the 'page' and the CC number and adjust the incoming CC value to be in range of the parameter in Reason. 
> 
> Pressing a switch on the BCR changes 'pages' and the values of the next block of Reason parameters are first altered to minmax of 0-127 and then sent to the BCR to change the value/LEDs using thoes same CC messages.
> It is very quick as there is only about 250 bytes of Midi.
> 
> > Is an ini-type approach feasible, or would it have to be hard-coded for each device?
> 
> The amount of work trying to think of all the possibilities is much greater than doing one synth at a time. At least for a thick head like me.
> This is especially true for such an interesting, but tiny and demanding group of possible users.
> 
> The designer of the BCR (Thomas Zint, I think) did a great job, but because he didn't allow for negative numbers (although there is a work around) especially output as 14 bit Midi values (which there isn't a work around) none of the E-mu Proteus, Morpheus etc can be controlled effectively.
> 
> Because there is no way to access the value of another encoder or switch you can't control synths (like the DW6000) that packed more than one parameter into a single byte of data. (This is sorted out by using a PC and my program)
>  
> > I've got to add, there is a fundamental problem with the BCR, which is the limitation of the 3-digit display.
> 
> I absolutely agree. That is why I am looking forward to seeing your iPad app. 8)
> 
> I did see a uTube vid where someone had stuck encoders (or pots, not sure which) onto a PC screen and programmed the labels and values. 
> 
> Great idea and with the low cost of monitors these days I am tempted.
> 
> How about a clip-on transparent BCR for the iPad?? 
> 
> > For example, on the AN1x, oscillator pulse width can be modulated from 7 sources.  On my iPad editor, I can create a drop-down list to select and show them.  On the BCR, I have to press a switch 7 times or rotate a knob, which shows number 1-7 on the display - and maybe see if I can fit a label with the 7 items on a paper overlay...
> 
> You could hit a button on the BCR to drop into 'Mod Source Select' mode with the drop down box or a graphic of a labeled list of 7 buttons appearing. 
> Now the function of the other seven buttons in the row changes to select your source.
> Once selected (and the list disappears) you drop back to the previous state. Those buttons in the row resume their original function.
> 
> All done on the iPad side. 
> Just two button hits to select the Mod source.
> The joy of 'paging' controls.
> 
> All the best
> Royce
>

Attachments

Move to quarantaine

This moves the raw source file on disk only. The archive index is not changed automatically, so you still need to run a manual refresh afterward.