Bc2000 (for the BCF2000 & BCR2000)

The kiwi is cool but, still not the most ideal.  You need a device that is a more simplistic standard.  That's why all knobs that double as buttons would be better.

-Scott

> On Jun 4, 2016, at 3:31 AM, Kerry Bradley kerrybradley@... [bc2000] <bc2000@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> When I read your description of the ideal hardware syx/cc programmer, my mind drifted to the Kiwitechnics Patch Editor!
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> From: "Scott Stanley scartattack@... [bc2000]" 
> Sent: Jun 3, 2016 8:46 PM 
> To: bc2000@yahoogroups.com 
> Subject: Re: [bc2000] Re: overlay blanks 
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> I haven't applied this yet but, I bought super thin, adhesive magnet paper.    I am going to adhere 1 layer of blank magnet paper to the unit first.  Then I will print my overlays to additional pieces on super thin printable magnet paper and the two magnets will stick together.  This way the templates can be somewhat more easily swapped for other devices.  
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> On another note, I wonder how much it would be to mass produce the housing in that picture?  It's so much better!  Did that get sent to Behringer?  Anyone know what email to send it to?  Because I would gladly send it!  
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> Here is what I have been thinking about for an updated BCR-esque hardware sysex programmer:
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> Smaller, flat build
> No step up for the top knobs and buttons.  Seriously, what's up with that?  Who green lit that design flaw?  It's annoying.  No standard paper size allows anyone to print a single sheet of paper with all your parameters for all knobs and buttons.  
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> The BCR can hold several presets but, how many people set it up for 1 thing and don't bother changing it because it's an annoying hassle to swap out overlays each time.  We should be able to use these things for nearly everything in our studios just by swapping presets.
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> Use smaller, infinite, clear with led, push button potentiometers.
> - Don't get me wrong, I like using bigger components but, having the smaller infinite turning knobs that double as you buttons would allow the device to be made smaller and more portable.  If every knob is a button as well that can light up (think Korg Volca Keys knobs but that are also buttons).  You could have them on, off, pulse, etc...
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> I don't need a programer the size of a mixer.  Roland's PG-800 is a prime example of a well designed programmer.  It's small, robust and works very well. However, knobs would still be better than's sliders.
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> Put an oled display under each knob?
> OK, I realize this could be costly but, even if it only had a few characters, which could display your parameter name when not touched and the parameter amount when moved (Instead of LED lights).  If you know how a Waldorf Microwave XT or even a Korg Minilogue display shows it's parameters, it would be similar to that but each knob on the BCR would have it's own display. This would be amazing.  We would never need to try and print out overlays again!
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> Put a micro PC (Raspberry Pi perhaps) inside the BCR 
> I realize this could add to the size but, maybe not too badly.  Having its own internal PC could potentially make it capable of running it's own programming software.  It would have SD card memory capabilities, USB, video out so perhaps an you could see an on screen editor window (which could do away with annoying overlays and could save money on the OLED idea), or run video (you could edit, watch, effect video this way.  You could potentially play video games on it this way.  Use soft synths since it would also have audio out. Midi sequencing, from the internal PC engine.  It could also provide real time updates from synthesizers for programs like http://www.fm-alive.com/Pages/SYM.aspx (presuming it could run windows or someone could write that for Linux) so you would no longer require a separate computer in the middle to do this...
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> whatever, the possibilities are nearly endless.
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> I don't know about any of you but, I would pay substantially more for that unit.
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> I have the skills to create an image mock up of the exterior design idea.  However, my component level engineering skills might be somewhat limited here.  If I knew who to contact at Behringer or another company I would gladly do so.  
> Regardless, THAT is the Hardware Sysex Programmer I would like. Who's with me?
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>> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 8:59 PM, Ron Anderson bitman2112@yahoo.com [bc2000] <bc2000@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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>> Great! Can we have the template for editing our own?
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>> From: "ultragalore@yahoo.com [bc2000]" <bc2000@yahoogroups.com>
>> To: bc2000@yahoogroups.com 
>> Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 2:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: [bc2000] Re: overlay blanks [1 Attachment]
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>> A while back I have made a whole different panel for the BCR (att) so I have a template which has very accurate measurements. You could take this template and use it on a cutting plotter if you wish, on a plotter like the Silhouette cameo for example, not sure if that's an option.
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