Bc2000 (for the BCF2000 & BCR2000)

I actually think that as a first step, we look at creating a
cross-platform LCD emulator to be used in conjunction with the
existing emulation work found here in this group (files section). I
have tested this emulation, and I have to say I actually like it
better than say the one used in LCxmu. The only thing it lacks is the
LCD to accompany it - at least on OSX. For PC I know there is
Huskervu, but I believe we need something that is open-sourced,
modular (more about this below), and platform independent. A java
application seems like the best candidate here, but I am open to the
idea of using something like Python too. With Java, we have access to
several low-level midi libraries, and we can guarantee most platforms
will have a JVM installed (OSX and Linux have it usually by default,
Windows = a download from Microsoft of Sun).

Open-sourcing the project will encourage it to be developed and
maintained - Stuff Huskervu does not appear have any more.

I believe the project needs to be designed as a module. By this, I
mean that it provides an interface that other applications can access
it with. For instance, say you have made a mackie emulator application
for your control surface. This emulator handles the conversion of your
midi messages to the required mackie command messages for use in your
chosen DAW. So long as your emulator knows how to access the LCD
emulator (via its defined interface) it can display the necessary
mackie info. Heck, it doesn't even need to be mackie info, it could be
any standard (novation's one for instance).

My initial thought was to see if I can't set up a java application
that can act as a midi input and output, middleware if you will. That
would be a great start... Unless someone already has something like
this I can have a play with already?

Karl

On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 6:57 AM, stutterbrain <stutterbrain@...> wrote:
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> no coding ability whatsoever myself I'm afraid, but that definately
>  doesn't go for everyone on the list.
>  Is the aim to provide an emulation in some form? I am quite happily
>  emulating the functions I want just with midi presets on the bcr. I
>  have no controllers with LCDs of much use, I think Novation are
>  probably the only ones I can think of, and the korg microkontrol
>  (which I miss)...
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>  --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "k5kip_1999" <k5kip_1999@...> wrote:
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>  > Karl is trying to get a group together to code something cross
>  > platform, I think? Java perhaps???
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>  > Right, Karl?
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>  > He has the source from C# huskervu now and one of the old mackie
>  > manuals.
>  > I am not a coder, so I can't be much help coding.
>  > I did however, build GenMce
>  > http://shoshin.110mb.com/genmce/
>  > with synthedit.
>  > It is not necessary with the bcr or bcf. The presets work great for
>  > mackie mode. It also is not cross platform. It would be great if it
>  > were...
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>  > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "stutterbrain" <stutterbrain@>
>  > wrote:
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>  > > here we go:
>  > > http://www.mediamax.com/stutter/Hosted/old%20logic%20control%
>  > 20manual.pdf
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>  > > last chapter.
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>  > > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "stutterbrain" <stutterbrain@> wrote:
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>  > > > hehe, I had the same idea a little while ago, posted on the
>  > ableton
>  > > > forum since I thought someone there might already have thought of
>  > it
>  > > > and saved me some trouble. Didn't particularly seem to be the
>  > case.
>  > > > Anyway I just came back to it while hacking my padkontrol, and was
>  > > > looking at a load of sysex in Midi-ox last night, although I
>  > think I'm
>  > > > going to steal someone else's idea and emulate parrts of the
>  > Tranzport
>  > > > for that... anyways:
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>  > > > Google for the Emagic Control Manual - quick look and I can't
>  > find it
>  > > > on web or my computer, must be on the old one, I dunno. If you
>  > cannot
>  > > > find it anywhere, and I do, I imagine I can upload it to
>  > yousendit or
>  > > > somewhere... anyway, the bit that I found interesting looked like
>  > this
>  > > > (taken from Tranzport manual):
>  > > > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/stutter/Clipboard01.jpg
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>  > > > a lot like that, so it might be the same - how many different
>  > sysex to
>  > > > ascii conversion methods can there be?
>  > > > So, have a look at that, and set up midi-ox or some other midi
>  > monitor
>  > > > to capture the outgoing midi from your Mackie-capable host, and
>  > see if
>  > > > the sysex blocks translate into words.
>  > > >
>  > > > Also look up husker-vu and lc xmu - both prove that the display
>  > > > amongst other things are possible (although you say you've seen
>  > those
>  > > > already, so maybe you don't want to look those up).
>  > > >
>  > > > I'll have a look for that manual later on tonight.
>  > > >
>  > > > Matthew
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>  > > > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "goyya76" <goyya76@> wrote:
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>  > > > > Hi all,
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>  > > > > i'd like to understand the sysex that are sent to the LCD
>  > emulation
>  > > > > (like huskervu), most of all when in VST inserts mode....my
>  > idea would
>  > > > > be to see if it's possible to associate other actions to the
>  > host
>  > > > output.
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>  > > > > An example: BCR 2000 in MCU emulation mode; i switch to insert
>  > editing
>  > > > > mode, i choose insert 2, the virtual display updates showing
>  > the name
>  > > > > of the FX, the on/off status etc - all this happens via sysex -
>  > if i
>  > > > > send this sysex string to a suitable app (a modular host like
>  > Usine)
>  > > > > and i'm able to grab the name of the FX among this sysex string
>  > (here
>  > > > > comes the question), i could associate a different program
>  > change to
>  > > > > each FX name - sending the program change to the BCR, i could
>  > > > > automatically associate the correct preset to each FX...
>  > > > >
>  > > > > i suppose something like this is the basic principle on which
>  > > > > Novation's Automap is based, ie using the feedback from the
>  > host to
>  > > > > change the controller assignement accordingly - i have a
>  > feeling we
>  > > > > could so something similar on our BCF/BCR....
>  > > > >
>  > > > > any hint on where to look to interpret the host feedback?? i've
>  > seen
>  > > > > two or three display emulation in the files section, and maybe
>  > there's
>  > > > > someone who coded them or helped to code or whatever...
>  > > > >
>  > > > > Ciao,
>  > > > > Goyya
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