Bc2000 (for the BCF2000 & BCR2000)

Hi again :)

Okay I have the BCF working for output device now but not input.
I can move the fader from the software but not from the BCF as there
is no input device to select. So I change the BCF fader but it just
changes back to match what the software control is set to. 

I cannot see any input device to select.

Can anyone tell me exactly what devices in device manager it installs?
So far the only two I see are a USB Composite device and an USB Audio
device. the later one finally installed that allowed me to finally see
half of it working.

I have un-installed and re-installed etc.... It only installs those
two devices. I am not new to computer so it is nothing I am doing as
far as i can tell :)

I think there must be one more for me to un-install and re-install but
I cannot see what input device to un-install it.

Any ideas on this one now? TIA :)

Which Daw are you using?

On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:12 AM, schivins <babylon05@...> wrote:
>
> Hi again :)
>
> Okay I have the BCF working for output device now but not input.
> I can move the fader from the software but not from the BCF as there
> is no input device to select. So I change the BCF fader but it just
> changes back to match what the software control is set to.
>
> I cannot see any input device to select.
>
> Can anyone tell me exactly what devices in device manager it installs?
> So far the only two I see are a USB Composite device and an USB Audio
> device. the later one finally installed that allowed me to finally see
> half of it working.
>
> I have un-installed and re-installed etc.... It only installs those
> two devices. I am not new to computer so it is nothing I am doing as
> far as i can tell :)
>
> I think there must be one more for me to un-install and re-install but
> I cannot see what input device to un-install it.
>
> Any ideas on this one now? TIA :)
>
>

Tracktion 3. It did not see the output device either at first so I
think it is a Windows and not Tracktion issue. Once Windows finally
installed the USB Audio, T3 then seen an output device. There must be
one more device to repair so that the system, including T3, can use
the BCF. then, hopefully, I can use it with Soundbooth and whatever
else I need to. :)

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Karl Lurman" <karl.lurman@...> wrote:

>
> Which Daw are you using?
> 
> On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:12 AM, schivins <babylon05@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi again :)
> >
> > Okay I have the BCF working for output device now but not input.
> > I can move the fader from the software but not from the BCF as there
> > is no input device to select. So I change the BCF fader but it just
> > changes back to match what the software control is set to.
> >
> > I cannot see any input device to select.
> >
> > Can anyone tell me exactly what devices in device manager it installs?
> > So far the only two I see are a USB Composite device and an USB Audio
> > device. the later one finally installed that allowed me to finally see
> > half of it working.
> >
> > I have un-installed and re-installed etc.... It only installs those
> > two devices. I am not new to computer so it is nothing I am doing as
> > far as i can tell :)
> >
> > I think there must be one more for me to un-install and re-install but
> > I cannot see what input device to un-install it.
> >
> > Any ideas on this one now? TIA :)
> >
> >
>

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "schivins" <babylon05@...> wrote:
> Okay I have the BCF working for output device now but not input.
> I can move the fader from the software but not from the BCF as there
> is no input device to select. So I change the BCF fader but it just
> changes back to match what the software control is set to. 
> 
> I cannot see any input device to select.
> 
> Can anyone tell me exactly what devices in device manager it installs?
> So far the only two I see are a USB Composite device and an USB Audio
> device. the later one finally installed that allowed me to finally see
> half of it working.
> 
> I have un-installed and re-installed etc.... It only installs those
> two devices. I am not new to computer so it is nothing I am doing as
> far as i can tell :)
> 
> I think there must be one more for me to un-install and re-install but
> I cannot see what input device to un-install it.

I don't have the solution, but in any case there are several things
you should be aware of:

Since you're talking about "USB Composite device", I assume you're
looking at Windows' Device Manager:
"USB Composite Device" is merely the parent (or "host") device of "USB
Audio Device". (Actually I'm currently using Behringer's own USB
driver (vs. 1.2.1.3) instead of Windows' own "USB Audio Device", but I
THINK the relationship to "USB Composite Device" is the same.)
In Device Manager, if you select View -> "Devices by connection" and
"Show hidden devices", then press "*" on the numerical keypad, you
should see this hierarchical structure.

"USB Audio Device" as it appears in Device Manager provides BOTH the
MIDI input device "USB Audio Device" AND the MIDI output device "USB
Audio Device". So if Device Manager shows "USB Audio Device" for your
BCF, things should work in both directions. Try any MIDI software: BC
Manager, MIDI-OX, whatever: these programs should see both a MIDI
input and a MIDI output device.

Hope this helps a bit,
Mark.

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Mark van den Berg" <markwinvdb@...> wrote:
>
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "schivins" <babylon05@> wrote:
> > Okay I have the BCF working for output device now but not input.
> > I can move the fader from the software but not from the BCF as there
> > is no input device to select. So I change the BCF fader but it just
> > changes back to match what the software control is set to. 
> > 
> > I cannot see any input device to select.
> > 
> > Can anyone tell me exactly what devices in device manager it installs?
> > So far the only two I see are a USB Composite device and an USB Audio
> > device. the later one finally installed that allowed me to finally see
> > half of it working.
> > 
> > I have un-installed and re-installed etc.... It only installs those
> > two devices. I am not new to computer so it is nothing I am doing as
> > far as i can tell :)
> > 
> > I think there must be one more for me to un-install and re-install but
> > I cannot see what input device to un-install it.
> 
> I don't have the solution, but in any case there are several things
> you should be aware of:
> 
> Since you're talking about "USB Composite device", I assume you're
> looking at Windows' Device Manager:
> "USB Composite Device" is merely the parent (or "host") device of "USB
> Audio Device". (Actually I'm currently using Behringer's own USB
> driver (vs. 1.2.1.3) instead of Windows' own "USB Audio Device", but I
> THINK the relationship to "USB Composite Device" is the same.)
> In Device Manager, if you select View -> "Devices by connection" and
> "Show hidden devices", then press "*" on the numerical keypad, you
> should see this hierarchical structure.
> 
> "USB Audio Device" as it appears in Device Manager provides BOTH the
> MIDI input device "USB Audio Device" AND the MIDI output device "USB
> Audio Device". So if Device Manager shows "USB Audio Device" for your
> BCF, things should work in both directions. Try any MIDI software: BC
> Manager, MIDI-OX, whatever: these programs should see both a MIDI
> input and a MIDI output device.
> 
> Hope this helps a bit,
> Mark.
>

Weird thing is I also tried Behringer's own USB driver (vs. 1.2.1.3)
. Instead for USB Audio the device manager listed BCF.. However when
this was listed nothing worked at all. IS this listed in your device
manager as BFC...(I cannot remember exactly) and it is working for you? 

This is just weird. I sent Behringer a support email, maybe they can help.

Thanks for your help!

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "schivins" <babylon05@...> wrote:
> Weird thing is I also tried Behringer's own USB driver (vs. 1.2.1.3)
> . Instead for USB Audio the device manager listed BCF.. However when
> this was listed nothing worked at all. IS this listed in your device
> manager as BFC...(I cannot remember exactly) and it is working for you? 

The Behringer USB driver vs. 1.2.1.3 ends up in Device Manager as
"B-Control Midi (10/19/2005,1.2.1.3)" under "USB Composite Device".
Works perfectly in my case.

One thing: if you go to the USB driver's "Properties" -> "Properties"
-> "MIDI Devices and Instruments" -> "Behringer MIDI Device" and click
the "Properties" button, "Use MIDI features on this device" should be
selected, otherwise things won't work. (I can't imagine that this is
the problem, since this setting is the default, but you might check it
just to be sure.)

By the way, I would recommend you try fixing your USB driver problem
in normal BCF mode, not in some emulation mode, because in an
emulation mode USB/MIDI connectivity is harder to test - once
bidirectionality does work in normal BCF mode, you can try emulation mode.

If you're very unlucky, you might have one of those BCFs/BCRs with a
defective USB controller - several people have reported this in our
group over the last year or so. E.g. my own BCR habitually stopped
sending data to the computer (ultimately I had it replaced at the
shop), and Royce has reported a horror story concerning a string of
BCFs that (if I remember correctly) didn't receive data from the computer.

> This is just weird. I sent Behringer a support email, maybe they can
help.

I'm sure they CAN, the question is whether they WILL!

Good luck!
Mark.

I got it working. I kept playing with it and it now shows up under the
MIDI list.

Thanks for the help.

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Mark van den Berg" <markwinvdb@...> wrote:
>
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "schivins" <babylon05@> wrote:
> > Weird thing is I also tried Behringer's own USB driver (vs. 1.2.1.3)
> > . Instead for USB Audio the device manager listed BCF.. However when
> > this was listed nothing worked at all. IS this listed in your device
> > manager as BFC...(I cannot remember exactly) and it is working for
you? 
> 
> The Behringer USB driver vs. 1.2.1.3 ends up in Device Manager as
> "B-Control Midi (10/19/2005,1.2.1.3)" under "USB Composite Device".
> Works perfectly in my case.
> 
> One thing: if you go to the USB driver's "Properties" -> "Properties"
> -> "MIDI Devices and Instruments" -> "Behringer MIDI Device" and click
> the "Properties" button, "Use MIDI features on this device" should be
> selected, otherwise things won't work. (I can't imagine that this is
> the problem, since this setting is the default, but you might check it
> just to be sure.)
> 
> By the way, I would recommend you try fixing your USB driver problem
> in normal BCF mode, not in some emulation mode, because in an
> emulation mode USB/MIDI connectivity is harder to test - once
> bidirectionality does work in normal BCF mode, you can try emulation
mode.
> 
> If you're very unlucky, you might have one of those BCFs/BCRs with a
> defective USB controller - several people have reported this in our
> group over the last year or so. E.g. my own BCR habitually stopped
> sending data to the computer (ultimately I had it replaced at the
> shop), and Royce has reported a horror story concerning a string of
> BCFs that (if I remember correctly) didn't receive data from the
computer.

> 
> > This is just weird. I sent Behringer a support email, maybe they can
> help.
> 
> I'm sure they CAN, the question is whether they WILL!
> 
> Good luck!
> Mark.
>

Sorry, I had you all confused. I assumed you were talking about visual
output, not midi device output...

Karl

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 6:35 AM, schivins <babylon05@...> wrote:
> I got it working. I kept playing with it and it now shows up under the
> MIDI list.
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Mark van den Berg" <markwinvdb@...> wrote:
>>
>> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "schivins" <babylon05@> wrote:
>> > Weird thing is I also tried Behringer's own USB driver (vs. 1.2.1.3)
>> > . Instead for USB Audio the device manager listed BCF.. However when
>> > this was listed nothing worked at all. IS this listed in your device
>> > manager as BFC...(I cannot remember exactly) and it is working for
> you?
>>
>> The Behringer USB driver vs. 1.2.1.3 ends up in Device Manager as
>> "B-Control Midi (10/19/2005,1.2.1.3)" under "USB Composite Device".
>> Works perfectly in my case.
>>
>> One thing: if you go to the USB driver's "Properties" -> "Properties"
>> -> "MIDI Devices and Instruments" -> "Behringer MIDI Device" and click
>> the "Properties" button, "Use MIDI features on this device" should be
>> selected, otherwise things won't work. (I can't imagine that this is
>> the problem, since this setting is the default, but you might check it
>> just to be sure.)
>>
>> By the way, I would recommend you try fixing your USB driver problem
>> in normal BCF mode, not in some emulation mode, because in an
>> emulation mode USB/MIDI connectivity is harder to test - once
>> bidirectionality does work in normal BCF mode, you can try emulation
> mode.
>>
>> If you're very unlucky, you might have one of those BCFs/BCRs with a
>> defective USB controller - several people have reported this in our
>> group over the last year or so. E.g. my own BCR habitually stopped
>> sending data to the computer (ultimately I had it replaced at the
>> shop), and Royce has reported a horror story concerning a string of
>> BCFs that (if I remember correctly) didn't receive data from the
> computer.
>>
>> > This is just weird. I sent Behringer a support email, maybe they can
>> help.
>>
>> I'm sure they CAN, the question is whether they WILL!
>>
>> Good luck!
>> Mark.
>>
>
>

It was the BCF not being recognized under the MIDI settings so it
could be selected as input/output for the controller.

It was weird but I REALLY appreciate the help.


--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Karl Lurman" <karl.lurman@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry, I had you all confused. I assumed you were talking about visual
> output, not midi device output...
> 
> Karl
> 
> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 6:35 AM, schivins <babylon05@...> wrote:
> > I got it working. I kept playing with it and it now shows up under the
> > MIDI list.
> >
> > Thanks for the help.
> >
> > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Mark van den Berg" <markwinvdb@>
wrote:
> >>
> >> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "schivins" <babylon05@> wrote:
> >> > Weird thing is I also tried Behringer's own USB driver (vs.
1.2.1.3)
> >> > . Instead for USB Audio the device manager listed BCF.. However
when
> >> > this was listed nothing worked at all. IS this listed in your
device
> >> > manager as BFC...(I cannot remember exactly) and it is working for
> > you?
> >>
> >> The Behringer USB driver vs. 1.2.1.3 ends up in Device Manager as
> >> "B-Control Midi (10/19/2005,1.2.1.3)" under "USB Composite Device".
> >> Works perfectly in my case.
> >>
> >> One thing: if you go to the USB driver's "Properties" -> "Properties"
> >> -> "MIDI Devices and Instruments" -> "Behringer MIDI Device" and
click
> >> the "Properties" button, "Use MIDI features on this device" should be
> >> selected, otherwise things won't work. (I can't imagine that this is
> >> the problem, since this setting is the default, but you might
check it
> >> just to be sure.)
> >>
> >> By the way, I would recommend you try fixing your USB driver problem
> >> in normal BCF mode, not in some emulation mode, because in an
> >> emulation mode USB/MIDI connectivity is harder to test - once
> >> bidirectionality does work in normal BCF mode, you can try emulation
> > mode.
> >>
> >> If you're very unlucky, you might have one of those BCFs/BCRs with a
> >> defective USB controller - several people have reported this in our
> >> group over the last year or so. E.g. my own BCR habitually stopped
> >> sending data to the computer (ultimately I had it replaced at the
> >> shop), and Royce has reported a horror story concerning a string of
> >> BCFs that (if I remember correctly) didn't receive data from the
> > computer.
> >>
> >> > This is just weird. I sent Behringer a support email, maybe
they can

> >> help.
> >>
> >> I'm sure they CAN, the question is whether they WILL!
> >>
> >> Good luck!
> >> Mark.
> >>
> >
> >
>