Bc2000 (for the BCF2000 & BCR2000)

Hey guys,

           Do the led's around the rotary knobs indicate the current
midi setting of the note\parameter that the unit is programmed it to
control or just the position of the rotary controller? I've been
searching around for a day or so to try and get a feel if this is so.
I want to control a few amp and fx parameters in Guitar Rig. All I
want to do is to be able to move the eqs + drive around at rehersal. I
don't want it to jump drastically as soon as I touch it (I had POD2.0
that would do that) just add or subtract from the current settings of
the GR patch. Knowing where I'm at would be really cool. Can I use a
BCR or do I have to get the motorized slider version. 

Thanks
Paul

Hi Paul,

I haven't used Guitar Rig specifically, but I've used quite a few VST
instruments.

There are two answers to this. The first is that if you program the
BCR to control GR, then as long as you keep to the same
instrument/settings/preset in GR, the BCR LEDs will reflect the values
in GR, and there won't be a jump. As soon as you switch to a different
preset in GR, or load a new session, the BCR's internal values for
each parameter will be different, and there will be a jump when you
move a pot. This can be accommodated by using different controller
modes.  For example, it's possible to set a parameter to change only
as the BCR pot passes through the value in software. This isn't a
function of the BCR, just the hosting software. A continuous mode also
solves this problem, but then you lose the LED feedback.

Which leads on to parameter feedback. This is usually quite
complicated, and involves configuring your software to send MIDI data
for each parameter, back to your BCR. Now when you switch presets in
GR, or load a new session, each parameter value will be sent to the
BCR, and the pot LEDs will reflect their value. There will be no jump.

Hope this helps,

Graham

On 1/18/07, Paul <mojah1@...> wrote:
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> Hey guys,
>
>  Do the led's around the rotary knobs indicate the current
>  midi setting of the note\parameter that the unit is programmed it to
>  control or just the position of the rotary controller? I've been
>  searching around for a day or so to try and get a feel if this is so.
>  I want to control a few amp and fx parameters in Guitar Rig. All I
>  want to do is to be able to move the eqs + drive around at rehersal. I
>  don't want it to jump drastically as soon as I touch it (I had POD2.0
>  that would do that) just add or subtract from the current settings of
>  the GR patch. Knowing where I'm at would be really cool. Can I use a
>  BCR or do I have to get the motorized slider version.
>
>  Thanks
>  Paul
>
>

Thanks for the info Graham,

    GR responds to CC messages (and notes) and I didn't see any way to
manipilate the midi output in GR. So if I move a pot it will jump
unless of course I program that patch with the BCR.  What you can do I
found was use what they call modifiers. So if you like turn something
on\off you can say tell an eq or any other parameter(s) to move
proportionately + or - from where it was originally set in a GR patch.
I have  a midi foot controller that I'm going to try and use to do
that for now. I'm going back to a MIDI setup after quite a few years
using just an amp and a pedal board. I used to do the midi thing quite
a long time ago (15 years). The thing I always hated then was if I had
to modify a patch I was forever lost in menus on the hardware. Boy
have things changed.. This continous mode you touched on sounds
promising. Given a choice of feedback and jumping everytime I move a
pot or no feedback and no jumping I can live without the feedback.

Thanks,

Paul 


--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, sr <listall@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Paul,
> 
> I haven't used Guitar Rig specifically, but I've used quite a few VST
> instruments.
> 
> There are two answers to this. The first is that if you program the
> BCR to control GR, then as long as you keep to the same
> instrument/settings/preset in GR, the BCR LEDs will reflect the values
> in GR, and there won't be a jump. As soon as you switch to a different
> preset in GR, or load a new session, the BCR's internal values for
> each parameter will be different, and there will be a jump when you
> move a pot. This can be accommodated by using different controller
> modes.  For example, it's possible to set a parameter to change only
> as the BCR pot passes through the value in software. This isn't a
> function of the BCR, just the hosting software. A continuous mode also
> solves this problem, but then you lose the LED feedback.
> 
> Which leads on to parameter feedback. This is usually quite
> complicated, and involves configuring your software to send MIDI data
> for each parameter, back to your BCR. Now when you switch presets in
> GR, or load a new session, each parameter value will be sent to the
> BCR, and the pot LEDs will reflect their value. There will be no jump.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> Graham
> 
> On 1/18/07, Paul <mojah1@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hey guys,
> >
> >  Do the led's around the rotary knobs indicate the current
> >  midi setting of the note\parameter that the unit is programmed it to
> >  control or just the position of the rotary controller? I've been
> >  searching around for a day or so to try and get a feel if this is so.
> >  I want to control a few amp and fx parameters in Guitar Rig. All I
> >  want to do is to be able to move the eqs + drive around at
rehersal. I

> >  don't want it to jump drastically as soon as I touch it (I had POD2.0
> >  that would do that) just add or subtract from the current settings of
> >  the GR patch. Knowing where I'm at would be really cool. Can I use a
> >  BCR or do I have to get the motorized slider version.
> >
> >  Thanks
> >  Paul
> >
> >
>

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