Bc2000 (for the BCF2000 & BCR2000)

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> Hi again ... another problem, another question...
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> Are the 32 presets in the BCR2000 separate from each other?  
> 
> My BCR2000 came preloaded with a selection of 14 presets - most of them of no use to me.  The first pre-set was the Behringer "All Rotary Controls" patch so I copied this preset into the first 6 preset spaces as I was going to modify these for various VSTs.
> 
> I kept preset 1 (all rotary) as my blank to map the functions in Ableton Live 8.  I had heaps of trouble getting BCR and Ableton to talk to each other but eventually got them to communicate (btw - the only way to get them to talk was using a midi-USB cable ... ableton wouldn't recognise the BCR if it was connected only via USB and the BCR in USB mode).
> 
> I had to manually map the Ableton functions to the BCR...  Initially, I got Ableton to do a midi dump which the BCR picked up... Unfortunately, this map layout was limited to only 8 Ableton tracks which were assigned to the bottom row of rotary dials plus a few buttons assigned to transport functions... not very useful - that's why i had to manually map Ableton.
> 
> Anyway, I assigned various controllers to various functions in Preset #1, saved the changes as per the manual and so far so good.... it worked very well.  I wanted to then use Preset #2 (which also contained the All Rotary preset) to map different functions in Ableton such as VSTs. I switched to preset 2 only to find that all of the controls I mapped in preset 1 were also in preset 2!!!  I couldn't re-map preset 2 without altering preset 1 (I didn't check out the other presets.... should have done this in hindsight)
> 
> Worse than this, the mapping in preset 1 disappeared after I switched everything off and re-booted ... I think the map might still be in preset 1 but it wont control Ableton.  How do I know if it saved?
> 
> Anyway - I suppose my question is whether all of the presets are separate from each other.  I tried using two different presets within the same software ie. same software (ableton) and two maps - but this didnt work... should it work or have I got it completely wrong?
> 
> LASTLY - for those of you who use the BCR2000 with Ableton Live 8 - how are you connecting the two together?  I can't get 100% reliability between the two and can't figure out if it's a user problem (ie. ME!!) or there's something wrong with the controller or Ableton.  Can you please tell me the cable you use ie. USB only or USB-Midi, the BCR mode and importantly, the Ableton Midi preferences (what do you switch on/off).
> 
> God I hate computers
> 
> thanks for your help and patience!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> daz
>

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> 
> Daz,
> I had a similar experience getting mine to handshake, I found the manual very confusing, and part of my job is IT administration, I eventually got it to handshake using USB (after about 40hrs)
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "daz303@" <daz303@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi again ... another problem, another question...
> > 
> > Are the 32 presets in the BCR2000 separate from each other?  
> > 
> > My BCR2000 came preloaded with a selection of 14 presets - most of them of no use to me.  The first pre-set was the Behringer "All Rotary Controls" patch so I copied this preset into the first 6 preset spaces as I was going to modify these for various VSTs.
> > 
> > I kept preset 1 (all rotary) as my blank to map the functions in Ableton Live 8.  I had heaps of trouble getting BCR and Ableton to talk to each other but eventually got them to communicate (btw - the only way to get them to talk was using a midi-USB cable ... ableton wouldn't recognise the BCR if it was connected only via USB and the BCR in USB mode).
> > 
> > I had to manually map the Ableton functions to the BCR...  Initially, I got Ableton to do a midi dump which the BCR picked up... Unfortunately, this map layout was limited to only 8 Ableton tracks which were assigned to the bottom row of rotary dials plus a few buttons assigned to transport functions... not very useful - that's why i had to manually map Ableton.
> > 
> > Anyway, I assigned various controllers to various functions in Preset #1, saved the changes as per the manual and so far so good.... it worked very well.  I wanted to then use Preset #2 (which also contained the All Rotary preset) to map different functions in Ableton such as VSTs. I switched to preset 2 only to find that all of the controls I mapped in preset 1 were also in preset 2!!!  I couldn't re-map preset 2 without altering preset 1 (I didn't check out the other presets.... should have done this in hindsight)
> > 
> > Worse than this, the mapping in preset 1 disappeared after I switched everything off and re-booted ... I think the map might still be in preset 1 but it wont control Ableton.  How do I know if it saved?
> > 
> > Anyway - I suppose my question is whether all of the presets are separate from each other.  I tried using two different presets within the same software ie. same software (ableton) and two maps - but this didnt work... should it work or have I got it completely wrong?
> > 
> > LASTLY - for those of you who use the BCR2000 with Ableton Live 8 - how are you connecting the two together?  I can't get 100% reliability between the two and can't figure out if it's a user problem (ie. ME!!) or there's something wrong with the controller or Ableton.  Can you please tell me the cable you use ie. USB only or USB-Midi, the BCR mode and importantly, the Ableton Midi preferences (what do you switch on/off).
> > 
> > God I hate computers
> > 
> > thanks for your help and patience!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > daz
> >
>

>
> Apologies for brevity of previous post I was on mobile phone which is torturous for typing.
> I read many of the posts regarding this peculiarity, but eventually I managed to get mine to work via experimentation, unfortunately my memory fails me here and I couldn't say exactly what I did that finally made it work, however these are just some of the the things I tried which may be helpful as each pc has it's own peculiarities. I tried with midi, with usb, with both midi and usb. The editor works with one and cubase works I believe with the midi. In cubase I set the BCR in the  remote devices utility within the devices setup. I dearly wanted to download the setup file for the Cubase that somebody must have created before, but in the end I learnt more by "programming" the handshake within Cubase. There are U modes and S modes on th BCR I think U3 is what I settled on, any way I think if you persevere you will get it right. Can't be more specific as I have been away from the BCR for four months.
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> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "saxutopia" <bcr2000forum@> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Daz,
> > I had a similar experience getting mine to handshake, I found the manual very confusing, and part of my job is IT administration, I eventually got it to handshake using USB (after about 40hrs)
> > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "daz303@" <daz303@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi again ... another problem, another question...
> > > 
> > > Are the 32 presets in the BCR2000 separate from each other?  
> > > 
> > > My BCR2000 came preloaded with a selection of 14 presets - most of them of no use to me.  The first pre-set was the Behringer "All Rotary Controls" patch so I copied this preset into the first 6 preset spaces as I was going to modify these for various VSTs.
> > > 
> > > I kept preset 1 (all rotary) as my blank to map the functions in Ableton Live 8.  I had heaps of trouble getting BCR and Ableton to talk to each other but eventually got them to communicate (btw - the only way to get them to talk was using a midi-USB cable ... ableton wouldn't recognise the BCR if it was connected only via USB and the BCR in USB mode).
> > > 
> > > I had to manually map the Ableton functions to the BCR...  Initially, I got Ableton to do a midi dump which the BCR picked up... Unfortunately, this map layout was limited to only 8 Ableton tracks which were assigned to the bottom row of rotary dials plus a few buttons assigned to transport functions... not very useful - that's why i had to manually map Ableton.
> > > 
> > > Anyway, I assigned various controllers to various functions in Preset #1, saved the changes as per the manual and so far so good.... it worked very well.  I wanted to then use Preset #2 (which also contained the All Rotary preset) to map different functions in Ableton such as VSTs. I switched to preset 2 only to find that all of the controls I mapped in preset 1 were also in preset 2!!!  I couldn't re-map preset 2 without altering preset 1 (I didn't check out the other presets.... should have done this in hindsight)
> > > 
> > > Worse than this, the mapping in preset 1 disappeared after I switched everything off and re-booted ... I think the map might still be in preset 1 but it wont control Ableton.  How do I know if it saved?
> > > 
> > > Anyway - I suppose my question is whether all of the presets are separate from each other.  I tried using two different presets within the same software ie. same software (ableton) and two maps - but this didnt work... should it work or have I got it completely wrong?
> > > 
> > > LASTLY - for those of you who use the BCR2000 with Ableton Live 8 - how are you connecting the two together?  I can't get 100% reliability between the two and can't figure out if it's a user problem (ie. ME!!) or there's something wrong with the controller or Ableton.  Can you please tell me the cable you use ie. USB only or USB-Midi, the BCR mode and importantly, the Ableton Midi preferences (what do you switch on/off).
> > > 
> > > God I hate computers
> > > 
> > > thanks for your help and patience!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > > daz
> > >
> >
>

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> Hey,
> 
> A couple of comments. 
> Try bcmanager.
> 
> Try my(many ppl worked on it) mackie preset. 
> http://oneleaf.heliohost.org/wp/bcr2000-page/
> 
> Read me included. 
> Try it. 
> Make working with live fun..
>