Bc2000 (for the BCF2000 & BCR2000)

>
> Hello,
> 
> I was wondering if anyone could give me some new insights on how to controlling a synthesizer which only accepts a full program dump sysex.
> 
> I've found others trying to accomplish this on this board but without any luck i guess.
> 
> Thing is, the crumar bit01 has only 1 MIDI-IN port. The manual is pretty abstract about the sysex part. There are several software editors out there but all of them are not working for me. I've tried Sounddiver,Midiquest,Bitcontrol and Bitedit.
> 
> Now looking at what Midiquest is trying to send out it looks like a complete program. I'm only wondering if this can be controlled with the BCR. If i got a correct sysex string for lets say Cutoff, can the BCR pass on the variables to the synthesizer when turning the knobs? Does the BCR even accept so much data to be programmed ?
> 
> I've had a smart idea of routing the midi-out from the software editors to my BCR with midi learn on but somehow it doesn't work that way. It 'learned' something alright, but it looks like whatever i choose in the software editors cutoff, reasonance or whatever, the synthesizer interprets this as a program change for all the midi it the BCR learned.
> 
> Could anyone point me in the right direction? or does anyone have a preset? :)
> 
> Thanks!
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> Hi Steyn
> 
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Steyn L. (Lennart)" <l.steyn@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone could give me some new insights on how to
> controlling a synthesizer which only accepts a full program dump sysex.
> 
> You really need a separate program to take the parameter change and pack
> it up and then send the sysex as the BC controller can't do this.
> 
> > Thing is, the crumar bit01 has only 1 MIDI-IN port. The manual is
> pretty abstract about the sysex part. There are several software editors
> out there but all of them are not working for me. I've tried
> Sounddiver,Midiquest,Bitcontrol and Bitedit.
> >
> > Now looking at what Midiquest is trying to send out it looks like a
> complete program. I'm only wondering if this can be controlled with the
> BCR. If i got a correct sysex string for lets say Cutoff, can the BCR
> pass on the variables to the synthesizer when turning the knobs? Does
> the BCR even accept so much data to be programmed ?
> 
> If moving the knob in Midi quest is changing the parameter on the Crumar
> then they must be either sending a full dump each time or they know
> about some other Crumar sysex messages. Use Midi Ox  and MidiYoke (PC)
> to look at what they are sending.
> 
> Either way,  you can assign a controller (CC) number to each of the
> controls in MidiQuest.
> You can program the BC to output this CC message .
> So your set up would be BC ->  MidiQuest-> Crumar
> 
> Assigning CC message is relative simple on the BC.
> In fact there is an All CC patch on the Behringer website.
> Download this into the BC.
> Now, it doesn't matter what the CC message is.
> Simply get MidiQuest to 'learn' the CC messages from the BC controls. 
> Not the other way around.
> 
> Hope this helps
> Royce
>

>
> Hi
> >
> > Well i could use Sounddiver or Midiquest but the problem is, these
> tools are so old and buggy that its not working for me. It crashes or
> hangs up, or even fucked up some of the synth programs. So using these
> tools is not an option. I did look at the output from Midiquest and for
> Cutoff its sending this:
> >
> > 01312.577 (+005.679) C1 00
> > 01312.577  C1 4A
> > 01312.577  F0 25 11 07 4A 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
> > 01312.577  00 00 00 0C 0F 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
> > 01312.577  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
> > 01312.577  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
> > 01312.577  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0F 0F 00 00 0C 0A F7
> > 01312.577  C1 4A
> 
> I find Midi Quest buggy too.
> 
> I gather the Bit01 (not Bit1) is the same as the Bit99.
> From the manual found http://www.vintagesynth.com/misc/bit99.php
> <http://www.vintagesynth.com/misc/bit99.php>
> Sysex Bit01  message has the format
> 
> F0 25 1c CC DD DD... F7
> 
> c= channel (I assume it is 0 to F)
> CC is command - 07 is bulk dump
> DD is the data
> 
> If you have all the 00s in the data, as above, you will change the all
> the other parameters so MidiQuest is wrong.
> Perhaps as you build up a patch it will keep your earlier changes to
> fill in the details.
> 
> The only thing I can think of is writing a program that has a default
> patch (or can select from all the patches).
> When it receives a CC message from the BC it places the value in the
> correct slot based on the CC channel and controller number and then
> outputs the sysex.
> 
> An extension to the program would be to create a library and select the
> patch from a list.
> 
> Not having the ability to output a patch on the Bit01is a pain. The Bit
> 99 can do it.
> But you could save your newly created patch into the library as the
> program would know the data.
> 
> Best of luck
> Royce
>

> 
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Royce" <rpcfender@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> > >
> > > Well i could use Sounddiver or Midiquest but the problem is, these
> > tools are so old and buggy that its not working for me. It crashes or
> > hangs up, or even fucked up some of the synth programs. So using these
> > tools is not an option. I did look at the output from Midiquest and for
> > Cutoff its sending this:
> > >
> > > 01312.577 (+005.679) C1 00
> > > 01312.577  C1 4A
> > > 01312.577  F0 25 11 07 4A 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
> > > 01312.577  00 00 00 0C 0F 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
> > > 01312.577  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
> > > 01312.577  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
> > > 01312.577  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0F 0F 00 00 0C 0A F7
> > > 01312.577  C1 4A
> > 
> > I find Midi Quest buggy too.
> > 
> > I gather the Bit01 (not Bit1) is the same as the Bit99.
> > From the manual found http://www.vintagesynth.com/misc/bit99.php
> > <http://www.vintagesynth.com/misc/bit99.php>
> > Sysex Bit01  message has the format
> > 
> > F0 25 1c CC DD DD... F7
> > 
> > c= channel (I assume it is 0 to F)
> > CC is command - 07 is bulk dump
> > DD is the data
> > 
> > If you have all the 00s in the data, as above, you will change the all
> > the other parameters so MidiQuest is wrong.
> > Perhaps as you build up a patch it will keep your earlier changes to
> > fill in the details.
> > 
> > The only thing I can think of is writing a program that has a default
> > patch (or can select from all the patches).
> > When it receives a CC message from the BC it places the value in the
> > correct slot based on the CC channel and controller number and then
> > outputs the sysex.
> > 
> > An extension to the program would be to create a library and select the
> > patch from a list.
> > 
> > Not having the ability to output a patch on the Bit01is a pain. The Bit
> > 99 can do it.
> > But you could save your newly created patch into the library as the
> > program would know the data.
> > 
> > Best of luck
> > Royce
> >
>

>
> Hi
> 
> > I guess your right. Its strange though that Midiquest and Sounddiver do support the 01 but don't include the sound patches so the info seems always incorrect. 
> > 
> As I don't have a Bit01 it is really hard to say with certainty. Perhaps there is a way.
> In the document the command byte CC goes from 07 for the dump to 09 to request the dump and it looks like the 09 stuff was hand typed, not part of the type set page.
> Perhaps this is an undocumented code found by a user and so perhaps there are others.
> I would try 08 and then the parameter number from the list then some data bytes. 
> It doesn't look like you have to worry about a checksum byte as there are on other synths.
> 
> Both Mark and I spent many hours independently trying to work out the BC this way and we found a raft of non-documented features.
> 
> 
> > there is a Bitcontrol vst out there, which of course aint working for me but i know its working for people. There is even a explicit bit01 settings to choose from. So this tool could somehow edit the parameter and is somehow smart enough to send the sysex out to the Bit01. If i could somehow output the sysex string going out from the Bitcontrol vst i might get a better view of what its doing. I also tried the learn function on the bcr and output the vst to the bcr but its not working, grrrrr. 
> 
> You are well past doing stuff with the learn function on the BC.
> You need to look at Mark's BCL document as well as his editor from his web site and perhaps have a look at SecretBC.pdf in the files section here.
> 
> > 
> > Most of the patches can be found on the net, maybe i can integrate them into midiquest so it does know the rest of the sysex parameters hmm
> 
> Keep hacking. It sounds like there should be a way.
> Once you sort out the sysex messages feel free to ask questions on how the BC can output sysex (which can be over 120 bytes long)
> 
> All the best
> Royce
> > 
> > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Royce" <rpcfender@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi
> > > >
> > > > Well i could use Sounddiver or Midiquest but the problem is, these
> > > tools are so old and buggy that its not working for me. It crashes or
> > > hangs up, or even fucked up some of the synth programs. So using these
> > > tools is not an option. I did look at the output from Midiquest and for
> > > Cutoff its sending this:
> > > >
> > > > 01312.577 (+005.679) C1 00
> > > > 01312.577  C1 4A
> > > > 01312.577  F0 25 11 07 4A 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
> > > > 01312.577  00 00 00 0C 0F 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
> > > > 01312.577  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
> > > > 01312.577  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
> > > > 01312.577  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0F 0F 00 00 0C 0A F7
> > > > 01312.577  C1 4A
> > > 
> > > I find Midi Quest buggy too.
> > > 
> > > I gather the Bit01 (not Bit1) is the same as the Bit99.
> > > From the manual found http://www.vintagesynth.com/misc/bit99.php
> > > <http://www.vintagesynth.com/misc/bit99.php>
> > > Sysex Bit01  message has the format
> > > 
> > > F0 25 1c CC DD DD... F7
> > > 
> > > c= channel (I assume it is 0 to F)
> > > CC is command - 07 is bulk dump
> > > DD is the data
> > > 
> > > If you have all the 00s in the data, as above, you will change the all
> > > the other parameters so MidiQuest is wrong.
> > > Perhaps as you build up a patch it will keep your earlier changes to
> > > fill in the details.
> > > 
> > > The only thing I can think of is writing a program that has a default
> > > patch (or can select from all the patches).
> > > When it receives a CC message from the BC it places the value in the
> > > correct slot based on the CC channel and controller number and then
> > > outputs the sysex.
> > > 
> > > An extension to the program would be to create a library and select the
> > > patch from a list.
> > > 
> > > Not having the ability to output a patch on the Bit01is a pain. The Bit
> > > 99 can do it.
> > > But you could save your newly created patch into the library as the
> > > program would know the data.
> > > 
> > > Best of luck
> > > Royce
> > >
> >
>