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FW: [bc2000] Re: BCR2000 no longer sending MIDI?

FW: [bc2000] Re: BCR2000 no longer sending MIDI?

2012-12-13 by dave watkinson

Thanks again Mark.

I tried it in S4 mode with MIDI Out A and in S3 mode with MIDI Out B. Same thing - "No response from B-Control" and "B-Controls detected: 0".

I hear you on the dangerous part; I was attempting a complete reset as a last ditch attempt at recovery! ;-) The error message was exactly the same though, in both of the scenarios listed above.

Looks like it's time to replace it :'-(

Cheers for your help.


To: bc2000@yahoogroups.com
From: markwinvdb@...
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 08:04:54 +0000
Subject: [bc2000] Re: BCR2000 no longer sending MIDI?

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, dave watkinson wrote:
> I reconnected the BCR to my MIDI interface and put it into S3 mode. BC Manager can't detect it.

In mode S-3 anything received at the BCR's MIDI IN is directly routed to the BCR's MIDI OUT A.

So in S-3 you shouldn't use MIDI OUT A in a bidirectional setup with your computer; instead, you should use MIDI OUT B.

Alternatively, use MIDI OUT A under S-4.
(MIDI IN is routed to MIDI OUT B in this case.)

> Despite the lack of BCR detection (I disabled all my other USB / MIDI devices) I tried to open the Behringer default sysex file in BC Manager, and was greeted by this message:
> Error: MIDI system exclusive error
> Wrong command
> Send Memory ($34)
> This may be the result of a feedback loop
> Message 1

This is in line with what I wrote above: in S-3, BC Manager gets any message it sends to the BCR's MIDI IN straight back from MIDI OUT A.

Incidentally, the "Send Memory ($34)" messages contain BCR firmware data: if the BCR shows "1.10" upon power-up, there is no need whatsoever to try to update its firmware. (In fact, it's a bit dangerous.)

Hope this helps,
Mark.


[bc2000] Re: BCR2000 no longer sending MIDI?

2012-12-15 by Mark v.d. Berg

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, dave watkinson <dave422x@...> wrote:
> Looks like it's time to replace it :'-(

In any case it seems that the USB controller on your BCR is defective.
This isn't unheard of: it has happened to other people, including me!
However, what I've never heard before is that ADDITIONALLY the BCR's standard MIDI connections no longer seem to work properly either.

I've reread your earlier posts: if I understand you correctly, in S-3/4 your BCR's I/O LEDs do blink, but your MIDI interface doesn't (seem to) register anything coming out of the BCR.

As a final test of the state of your BCR's MIDI I/O handling, you might try to make the BCR send a Program Change (PC) message to itself, to which it should respond by changing to a different preset:

Switch off the BCR, disconnect all cables except the power cable, and connect a MIDI cable from MIDI OUT A to MIDI IN. (Of course you should be absolutely sure that this MIDI cable itself is OK!)

Then, while holding the STORE and EXIT buttons, switch the BCR on by pressing the POWER button and keep STORE and EXIT pressed until the display has gone from "1.10" via "Init" to "P- 1" (or any other preset number).

Then go to "EG" (Global Setup) by holding EDIT and pressing STORE.
Make the following settings:
Push encoder 1: S-4.
Push encoder 2: Ch 1.
Press EXIT.

Then hold EDIT and press the button immediately below push encoder 1: the display should show "b 33".
Make the following settings:
Push encoder 1: PC
Push encoder 2: Ch 1 (this should be the default, actually)
Push encoder 3 and 4: off (=defaults)
Push encoder 5: any number from 0-31 EXCEPT the number of the current preset minus one; so if you're in preset 1 ("P- 1"), the value entered here can be 1-31 (indicating presets 2-32), but not 0 (because that stands for preset 1 itself). Perhaps the easiest value to enter is the current preset number ITSELF, because that amounts to the next preset; so if you're in "P- 1", I recommend selecting "1" here, which indicates a jump to preset 2.
Push encoder 6: toff (=default)
Press EXIT.
Press STORE twice.

Then comes the moment of truth:
Press the button immediately below push encoder 1 (button 33):
The MIDI IN, A and B LEDs should all flash and the display should switch to the preset defined in the button's PC message, so e.g. from "P- 1" to "P- 2".

If this doesn't work as described above, there is indeed a fault in your BCR's MIDI I/O hardware, and it seems indeed time for a replacement.
If this does work, we can discuss further.

Good luck!
Mark.

FW: [bc2000] Re: BCR2000 no longer sending MIDI?

2013-06-27 by felix_nam

Hello.
I need help,  goes out the message of mistake of the prest of mopho.
Do you know which is the solution?
Thank you.

Regards

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, dave watkinson <dave422x@...> wrote:
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> Looks like it's time to replace it :'-(
> Cheers for your help.
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> > I reconnected the BCR to my MIDI interface and put it into S3 mode. BC Manager can't detect it.
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> In mode S-3 anything received at the BCR's MIDI IN is directly routed to the BCR's MIDI OUT A.
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> So in S-3 you shouldn't use MIDI OUT A in a bidirectional setup with your computer; instead, you should use MIDI OUT B.
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> Alternatively, use MIDI OUT A under S-4.
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> (MIDI IN is routed to MIDI OUT B in this case.)
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> > This may be the result of a feedback loop
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> This is in line with what I wrote above: in S-3, BC Manager gets any message it sends to the BCR's MIDI IN straight back from MIDI OUT A.
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> Incidentally, the "Send Memory ($34)" messages contain BCR firmware data: if the BCR shows "1.10" upon power-up, there is no need whatsoever to try to update its firmware. (In fact, it's a bit dangerous.)
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> Hope this helps,
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> Mark.
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FW: [bc2000] Re: BCR2000 no longer sending MIDI?

2013-07-09 by felix_nam

Thank you for the information...

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "felix_nam" <felix_nam@...> wrote:
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> Hello.
> I need help,  goes out the message of mistake of the prest of mopho.
> Do you know which is the solution?
> Thank you.
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> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, dave watkinson <dave422x@> wrote:
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> > Thanks again Mark.
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> > I tried it in S4 mode with MIDI Out A and in S3 mode with MIDI Out B. Same thing - "No response from B-Control" and "B-Controls detected: 0".
> > I hear you on the dangerous part; I was attempting a complete reset as a last ditch attempt at recovery! ;-) The error message was exactly the same though, in both of the scenarios listed above.
> > Looks like it's time to replace it :'-(
> > Cheers for your help.
> > 
> > To: bc2000@yahoogroups.com
> > From: markwinvdb@
> > Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 08:04:54 +0000
> > Subject: [bc2000] Re: BCR2000 no longer sending MIDI?
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> >       --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, dave watkinson <dave422x@> wrote:
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> > > I reconnected the BCR to my MIDI interface and put it into S3 mode. BC Manager can't detect it.
> > 
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> > In mode S-3 anything received at the BCR's MIDI IN is directly routed to the BCR's MIDI OUT A.
> > 
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> > So in S-3 you shouldn't use MIDI OUT A in a bidirectional setup with your computer; instead, you should use MIDI OUT B.
> > 
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> > Alternatively, use MIDI OUT A under S-4.
> > 
> > (MIDI IN is routed to MIDI OUT B in this case.)
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> > > Despite the lack of BCR detection (I disabled all my other USB / MIDI devices) I tried to open the Behringer default sysex file in BC Manager, and was greeted by this message:
> > 
> > > Error: MIDI system exclusive error
> > 
> > > Wrong command
> > 
> > > Send Memory ($34)
> > 
> > > This may be the result of a feedback loop
> > 
> > > Message 1
> > 
> > 
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> > This is in line with what I wrote above: in S-3, BC Manager gets any message it sends to the BCR's MIDI IN straight back from MIDI OUT A.
> > 
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> > 
> > Incidentally, the "Send Memory ($34)" messages contain BCR firmware data: if the BCR shows "1.10" upon power-up, there is no need whatsoever to try to update its firmware. (In fact, it's a bit dangerous.)
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> > Hope this helps,
> > 
> > Mark.
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