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Clearing memory problem...or something ells

Clearing memory problem...or something ells

2013-03-29 by jacobsthlm

I have started my process with going to a high preset page, that seems untouched as in not been used before, as a "blank" Preset and made a copy of that to Preset 1. I now think I have a blank page to start with but I used the "panic reset" on encoder group 1-4 just to be sure.

I'm programming all my diffrent instrument to the first 16 buttons at the top using Preset 1 and Encoder Groups 1-4 so I got 4 x 16 buttons for my first instrument and the use Preset 2 for the next. That's my plan anyway. I'm using the learn funtion and that has works great.

My problems is when I'm going to test an instrument on the keyboard to deside exactly where to put it (as I need to rearrange them) when the BCF 2000 suddenly jumps to another Preset, like Preset 7 or 3, but that preset should now be blank and I don't want the bcf2000 to do anything ells then what I'm learning it. Specially not going to another Preset that I'm not using at that moment.

So what am I doing wrong? And is it any simple way for a newbie like me, who don't understand sys.ini and not realy how midi works and how I should do to program what I want, to realy clear a Preset or just an Encoder Group....?? Please don't get to complicated thinking I will understand what might seems like a "at least he must know this". 

Thanks in advance!
Jacob

Re: Clearing memory problem...or something ells

2013-03-29 by sghookings@...

Not sure why preset jumps but so long as you don't save, then power off will forget whatever you added without saving. Power back on and you are where last save was. Maybe one synth parameter is triggering preset to change.

Make a preset isn't hard, but make one that fits your workflow can be really complex.

For example, when trying to design layout for Akai Miniak, that has about 250 NRPNs I used post-it notes of different colour to represent the nature of the control (button, knob, slider, positive and negative).
These got rearranged on a whiteboard in my garage until I was happy. This got programmed with Mark's software then tested. Took a few goes until I was happy.

So back on topic, it doesn't matter if a preset isn't clean.
Write out what you want.
Then learn it in, or manually program it.
Uses your list to validate that you taught it well. Save it and you are done. Overwrite and incorrect assignments.

Later, edit the buttons by hand so you can see what u taught it.
After a while you will probably rarely use learn.
Try to read up how to dump the contents out to sysex.
Then see how to reload.

So long as you realise that you can fix mistakes, then you won't mind making them,and then you can learn more about midi and get even more from your music.

One step at a time, u will get midi then wonder what all the fuss was about.

Good luck
Steve H
--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "jacobsthlm" <jacobsthlm@...> wrote:
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> I have started my process with going to a high preset page, that seems untouched as in not been used before, as a "blank" Preset and made a copy of that to Preset 1. I now think I have a blank page to start with but I used the "panic reset" on encoder group 1-4 just to be sure.
> 
> I'm programming all my diffrent instrument to the first 16 buttons at the top using Preset 1 and Encoder Groups 1-4 so I got 4 x 16 buttons for my first instrument and the use Preset 2 for the next. That's my plan anyway. I'm using the learn funtion and that has works great.
> 
> My problems is when I'm going to test an instrument on the keyboard to deside exactly where to put it (as I need to rearrange them) when the BCF 2000 suddenly jumps to another Preset, like Preset 7 or 3, but that preset should now be blank and I don't want the bcf2000 to do anything ells then what I'm learning it. Specially not going to another Preset that I'm not using at that moment.
> 
> So what am I doing wrong? And is it any simple way for a newbie like me, who don't understand sys.ini and not realy how midi works and how I should do to program what I want, to realy clear a Preset or just an Encoder Group....?? Please don't get to complicated thinking I will understand what might seems like a "at least he must know this". 
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> Jacob
>

Re: Clearing memory problem...or something ells

2013-03-29 by jacobsthlm

Fine, but you forgott to tell me if and how I can clear all the things that the previus owner programed? Exactly what am I clearing with the Panic Reset function?

Happy Ester, by the way
Jacob

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, sghookings@... wrote:
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>
> 
> Not sure why preset jumps but so long as you don't save, then power off will forget whatever you added without saving. Power back on and you are where last save was. Maybe one synth parameter is triggering preset to change.
> 
> Make a preset isn't hard, but make one that fits your workflow can be really complex.
> 
> For example, when trying to design layout for Akai Miniak, that has about 250 NRPNs I used post-it notes of different colour to represent the nature of the control (button, knob, slider, positive and negative).
> These got rearranged on a whiteboard in my garage until I was happy. This got programmed with Mark's software then tested. Took a few goes until I was happy.
> 
> So back on topic, it doesn't matter if a preset isn't clean.
> Write out what you want.
> Then learn it in, or manually program it.
> Uses your list to validate that you taught it well. Save it and you are done. Overwrite and incorrect assignments.
> 
> Later, edit the buttons by hand so you can see what u taught it.
> After a while you will probably rarely use learn.
> Try to read up how to dump the contents out to sysex.
> Then see how to reload.
> 
> So long as you realise that you can fix mistakes, then you won't mind making them,and then you can learn more about midi and get even more from your music.
> 
> One step at a time, u will get midi then wonder what all the fuss was about.
> 
> Good luck
> Steve H
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "jacobsthlm" <jacobsthlm@> wrote:
> >
> > I have started my process with going to a high preset page, that seems untouched as in not been used before, as a "blank" Preset and made a copy of that to Preset 1. I now think I have a blank page to start with but I used the "panic reset" on encoder group 1-4 just to be sure.
> > 
> > I'm programming all my diffrent instrument to the first 16 buttons at the top using Preset 1 and Encoder Groups 1-4 so I got 4 x 16 buttons for my first instrument and the use Preset 2 for the next. That's my plan anyway. I'm using the learn funtion and that has works great.
> > 
> > My problems is when I'm going to test an instrument on the keyboard to deside exactly where to put it (as I need to rearrange them) when the BCF 2000 suddenly jumps to another Preset, like Preset 7 or 3, but that preset should now be blank and I don't want the bcf2000 to do anything ells then what I'm learning it. Specially not going to another Preset that I'm not using at that moment.
> > 
> > So what am I doing wrong? And is it any simple way for a newbie like me, who don't understand sys.ini and not realy how midi works and how I should do to program what I want, to realy clear a Preset or just an Encoder Group....?? Please don't get to complicated thinking I will understand what might seems like a "at least he must know this". 
> > 
> > Thanks in advance!
> > Jacob
> >
>

Re: Clearing memory problem...or something ells

2013-03-29 by sghookings@...

Ah I didnt realize it was used!
But does it really matter if it isnt blank?
I explore why below.

To be honest I would use Mark's software, create blank banks, save the sysex and load it up.
But I recall you wanted a simpler way.

I see on internet 

http://vjforums.com/showthread.php?t=18886

But this is describing the panic procedure you seem to have done.
Is it possible the values now at the factory value?
IIRC my BCR2000 has some generic CC's on the presets.

Like I said earlier, if you choose a given preset (1 to 32).
Then, having decided what you want the buttons / knobs to do, program them up and save them.
Then given you just programmed them ... and you know which button/knob is supposed to do what ... does it matter if the other buttons that you didnt program do strange stuff?
I mean ... you are not going to use them ... you didnt program them?

If they do something your synth isnt programmed to understand ... the synth wont understand ... so it will not do anything.
If they DO something your synth understands ... but you dont want them to .. either DONT use them or program them to something that your synth doesnt care about. Or learn them a duplicated of something you already programmed.

Sorry if I am only confusing the issue more ... fortunately with the Miniak and 250 params, I dont have the problem of not needed a button on a preset.

Not sure if you had the bcr or the bcf. It doesnt really matter.
The thing is I spread my controls over multiple encoder groups and multiple presets.

Mark's software was the ONLY way to achieve this, with Bryce's kinky bcr secret modifications.

Honestly, it only seems complicated. Take some strong coffee, or some decent beverage, and try to imagine how the control 'chit chat' works. MIDI is really quite straightforward. It just looks complicated. The xxxvvvv stuff you see is a short hand for 4 bits ie 0 ... 15 (normally the x means does not respond and notice 7 bits because except for status bytes, midi data is 7 bits. Which in simple terms means 0 ... 127 or 128 states.


And happy easter to you and all ... going to give a reading at the mass tomorrow.

Regards

Steve H

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "jacobsthlm" <jacobsthlm@...> wrote:
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>
> Fine, but you forgott to tell me if and how I can clear all the things that the previus owner programed? Exactly what am I clearing with the Panic Reset function?
> 
> Happy Ester, by the way
> Jacob
> 
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, sghookings@ wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Not sure why preset jumps but so long as you don't save, then power off will forget whatever you added without saving. Power back on and you are where last save was. Maybe one synth parameter is triggering preset to change.
> > 
> > Make a preset isn't hard, but make one that fits your workflow can be really complex.
> > 
> > For example, when trying to design layout for Akai Miniak, that has about 250 NRPNs I used post-it notes of different colour to represent the nature of the control (button, knob, slider, positive and negative).
> > These got rearranged on a whiteboard in my garage until I was happy. This got programmed with Mark's software then tested. Took a few goes until I was happy.
> > 
> > So back on topic, it doesn't matter if a preset isn't clean.
> > Write out what you want.
> > Then learn it in, or manually program it.
> > Uses your list to validate that you taught it well. Save it and you are done. Overwrite and incorrect assignments.
> > 
> > Later, edit the buttons by hand so you can see what u taught it.
> > After a while you will probably rarely use learn.
> > Try to read up how to dump the contents out to sysex.
> > Then see how to reload.
> > 
> > So long as you realise that you can fix mistakes, then you won't mind making them,and then you can learn more about midi and get even more from your music.
> > 
> > One step at a time, u will get midi then wonder what all the fuss was about.
> > 
> > Good luck
> > Steve H
> > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "jacobsthlm" <jacobsthlm@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I have started my process with going to a high preset page, that seems untouched as in not been used before, as a "blank" Preset and made a copy of that to Preset 1. I now think I have a blank page to start with but I used the "panic reset" on encoder group 1-4 just to be sure.
> > > 
> > > I'm programming all my diffrent instrument to the first 16 buttons at the top using Preset 1 and Encoder Groups 1-4 so I got 4 x 16 buttons for my first instrument and the use Preset 2 for the next. That's my plan anyway. I'm using the learn funtion and that has works great.
> > > 
> > > My problems is when I'm going to test an instrument on the keyboard to deside exactly where to put it (as I need to rearrange them) when the BCF 2000 suddenly jumps to another Preset, like Preset 7 or 3, but that preset should now be blank and I don't want the bcf2000 to do anything ells then what I'm learning it. Specially not going to another Preset that I'm not using at that moment.
> > > 
> > > So what am I doing wrong? And is it any simple way for a newbie like me, who don't understand sys.ini and not realy how midi works and how I should do to program what I want, to realy clear a Preset or just an Encoder Group....?? Please don't get to complicated thinking I will understand what might seems like a "at least he must know this". 
> > > 
> > > Thanks in advance!
> > > Jacob
> > >
> >
>

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