Bc2000 (for the BCF2000 & BCR2000)

Im using birdie editor for making my own venom synth template using the  Learned function where you can input midi data for a specific encoder. 
Right now im using a sysex message from venom editor for the filter cutoff (i know i can program this parameter using other ways but im testing if this can be done this way for using it with another parameters) which is 

F0 00 01 05 21 00 02 09 00 6A 00 2A F7.
 
But birdie�s example comes as follows 

$F0 $41 $36 $00 $24 $20 $01 $1C val $F7. 

Im trying to match this two but i dont know how. 
Im sending over and over using midi ox 

$F0 $00 $01 $05 $21 $00 $02 $09 $00 $6A $00 value $F7 (and all sorts of variations)

The bcr responds, i know because the lights blink 
in a circle but the encoder doesnt get the message.

Maybe someone can tell me what if im not dissecting the sysex message properly or if it is a sending method problem.

Heres a link to the manual with the sysex specs:  

http://www.maudio.com/images/global/manuals/Venom%20User%20Guide_EN.pdf

Help!!

The birdie editor is not really suitable for sysex.

You need Mark's editor and his notes on the Behringer Control Language (BCL) is you need to go this way.

I would not go down this path as the Avid guys have made it easy for you by using the CC messages for the Venom.

If you want to use LEARN on the BCR you are much better off not using an editor at all and just twisting the knob on the Venom or the Vyzex editor and letting the BC listen and learn from the CC messages sent out.

If there is a special reason to use sysex then let me know, but as it stands this is not the way to make your template

All the best
Royce


--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "alberrobles_18" <alberrobles_18@...> wrote:

>
> Im using birdie editor for making my own venom synth template using the  Learned function where you can input midi data for a specific encoder. 
> Right now im using a sysex message from venom editor for the filter cutoff (i know i can program this parameter using other ways but im testing if this can be done this way for using it with another parameters) which is 
> 
> F0 00 01 05 21 00 02 09 00 6A 00 2A F7.
>  
> But birdie´s example comes as follows 
> 
> $F0 $41 $36 $00 $24 $20 $01 $1C val $F7. 
> 
> Im trying to match this two but i dont know how. 
> Im sending over and over using midi ox 
> 
> $F0 $00 $01 $05 $21 $00 $02 $09 $00 $6A $00 value $F7 (and all sorts of variations)
> 
> The bcr responds, i know because the lights blink 
> in a circle but the encoder doesnt get the message.
> 
> Maybe someone can tell me what if im not dissecting the sysex message properly or if it is a sending method problem.
> 
> Heres a link to the manual with the sysex specs:  
> 
> http://www.maudio.com/images/global/manuals/Venom%20User%20Guide_EN.pdf
> 
> Help!!
>

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Royce" <rpcfender@...> wrote:
>
> The birdie editor is not really suitable for sysex.
> 
> You need Mark's editor and his notes on the Behringer Control Language (BCL) is you need to go this way.
> 
> I would not go down this path as the Avid guys have made it easy for you by using the CC messages for the Venom.
> 
> If you want to use LEARN on the BCR you are much better off not using an editor at all and just twisting the knob on the Venom or the Vyzex editor and letting the BC listen and learn from the CC messages sent out.
> 
> If there is a special reason to use sysex then let me know, but as it stands this is not the way to make your template
> 
> All the best
> Royce
> 
> 
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "alberrobles_18" <alberrobles_18@> wrote:
> >
> > Im using birdie editor for making my own venom synth template using the  Learned function where you can input midi data for a specific encoder. 
> > Right now im using a sysex message from venom editor for the filter cutoff (i know i can program this parameter using other ways but im testing if this can be done this way for using it with another parameters) which is 
> > 
> > F0 00 01 05 21 00 02 09 00 6A 00 2A F7.
> >  
> > But birdie´s example comes as follows 
> > 
> > $F0 $41 $36 $00 $24 $20 $01 $1C val $F7. 
> > 
> > Im trying to match this two but i dont know how. 
> > Im sending over and over using midi ox 
> > 
> > $F0 $00 $01 $05 $21 $00 $02 $09 $00 $6A $00 value $F7 (and all sorts of variations)
> > 
> > The bcr responds, i know because the lights blink 
> > in a circle but the encoder doesnt get the message.
> > 
> > Maybe someone can tell me what if im not dissecting the sysex message properly or if it is a sending method problem.
> > 
> > Heres a link to the manual with the sysex specs:  
> > 
> > http://www.maudio.com/images/global/manuals/Venom%20User%20Guide_EN.pdf
> > 
> > Help!!
> >
 

Thanks again Royce. Maybe im not been clear enough with what i want.
The deal is i want to use the bcr in standalone mode for patch creation using all posible parameters from the vyzex editor but i cant get the bc learn from it. I go usb mode and twist a knob it says good but the encoder doesnt get it. thats why i went sysex with it. 

Now question: is it posible to learn in usb mode and then switching on the same preset to standalone for editing? recording in usb stays usb or can i switch?

The way i go is setting in the editor midi in port VENOM MIDI IN and in out port BCR2000 i twist it recognizes it but i doesnt get recorded on the knob.

Ill keep trying and ask on the m audio forums or something cause im not really sure if theres and impediment from the editor to do this, otherwise ill stick to the available parameters on cc implementation chart.

EDIT: oh man i feel like an idiot beacause i allready made it and it was the easiest thing in the world. I owe you an apologize because i did it the way you explained to me Royce. I just set midi in Venom midi out Venom in the Editor. Plugged venom on usb. Midi out from venom to bc and midi in and bc midi out to venom in. I twist on the editor using learn on bc, then switch venom to midi instead of usb and everything works. Ill be posting a venom template in the future. Now i just have to choose 
wisely wich parameters to include. Thank you very much.

Steven from Costa Rica. Proud venom user.

Hi Steven
glad it worked out.
I look forward to the Venom preset.

You might be interested in knowing that the BC remembers your changes to the values of all the presets until you turn off the power.

So you can have two or more BC presets for the Venom stored in adjacent memory locations and switch between them.

All the lights synchronize with values of the preset you have just changed to.

It is like pages in a book that you can flip back and forth.
So there is no need to limit which parameters you use, just spread them across two or more presets.

All the best
Royce



--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "alberrobles_18" <alberrobles_18@...> wrote:

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> 
> 
> 
> 
> EDIT: oh man i feel like an idiot beacause i allready made it and it was the easiest thing in the world. I owe you an apologize because i did it the way you explained to me Royce. I just set midi in Venom midi out Venom in the Editor. Plugged venom on usb. Midi out from venom to bc and midi in and bc midi out to venom in. I twist on the editor using learn on bc, then switch venom to midi instead of usb and everything works. Ill be posting a venom template in the future. Now i just have to choose 
> wisely wich parameters to include. Thank you very much.
> 
> Steven from Costa Rica. Proud venom user.
>