Bc2000 (for the BCF2000 & BCR2000)

I don't know if this helps.

If I understand your situation correctly you should look into the "learn" function on the bcr: pressing and holding learn while fiddling the pramaters knob you want to control. Use one bank for one synth and a second for the other.

be well

Thanks Bill, I'll try that out.  





On Friday, February 21, 2014 5:11 PM, "bill@..." <bill@...> wrote:
 
  
Hi Frank, this would be my take.
You have an 8x8 midi interface, with the two synths attached.  Connect the MIDI from the BCR into the next pair of in/outs of the 8x8.  When the 8x8 is connected to the Mac via USB, you can then patch a MIDI source (BCR) via Pro tools into the correct MIDI track outputs, to send data to either the DW8000/MKS50, just like you would with note data from the keyboard or Pro Tools DAW.
The MOTU homepage suggests that you could use the ClockWorks console software for "comprehensive MIDI routing, merging and muting". So you should have the alternative to set up some routeing presets via ClockWorks, and after that, not need the Mac/Protools running at all - just enjoy playing (unless you want Protools involved, eg for recording MIDI.
Hope that helps, Bill

Well I'm back and confused as ever.  I tried that configuration and the only thing that seems to work from my template I loaded in through windows bc manager was program change and two lfo settings.  So I decided to just use the learn function, program it all manually that way, but the learn function is not working with this configuration.  In my audio/midi setup, I'm not able to patch the virtual cables from the bcr2000 to the motu unit even though they are physically connected and likewise on clockworks, the bcr is not present.  When you were talking about a source yesterday in pro tools, did you mean setting the bcr as the input in a midi track and a dw 8000 as the output on that same midi track.  I tried that too.  





On Friday, February 21, 2014 5:39 PM, Frank Reynolds <frankreynolds66@...> wrote:
 
  
Thanks Bill, I'll try that out.  





On Friday, February 21, 2014 5:11 PM, "bill@..." <bill@...> wrote:
 
  
Hi Frank, this would be my take.
You have an 8x8 midi interface, with the two synths attached.  Connect the MIDI from the BCR into the next pair of in/outs of the 8x8.  When the 8x8 is connected to the Mac via USB, you can then patch a MIDI source (BCR) via Pro tools into the correct MIDI track outputs, to send data to either the DW8000/MKS50, just like you would with note data from the keyboard or Pro Tools DAW.
The MOTU homepage suggests that you could use the ClockWorks console software for "comprehensive MIDI routing, merging and muting". So you should have the alternative to set up some routeing presets via ClockWorks, and after that, not need the Mac/Protools running at all - just enjoy playing (unless you want Protools involved, eg for recording MIDI.
Hope that helps, Bill

yeah I guess from what I've seen most people just plug their synth directly to the bcr but I think being able to have your audio and midi data running into your daw and being able to change the sound with the bcr in real time would be awesome.  





On Saturday, February 22, 2014 1:26 PM, mkm <mkmannn@...> wrote:
 
  
I had a similar problem with my bcr. I ended up returning it and so scarred from the experience that I'm waiting to see what the new XTouch controllers are all about before I ever get close to a BCunit. 

Good luck. 


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Be well.

I think that not being able to somehow transfer learned functions in stand alone mode to usb mode is a serious omission on behringers part. But I don't know a thing about programming so maybe its not possible. There's just so much potential in these controllers that is just not accessible to the noobs and/or lazy.

I just have a lot of hope for the xtouch. They should hire some of the people in this group as consultants. :)

be well

I can't really classify myself as a total noob or lazy, I just suck at this.  Once I get things set up in my little studio I rarely change anything until a new package arrives and then I'm scrambling for knowledge.  





On Saturday, February 22, 2014 4:40 PM, mkm <mkmannn@...> wrote:
 
  
I think that not being able to somehow transfer learned functions in stand alone mode to usb mode is a serious omission on behringers part. But I don't know a thing about programming so maybe its not possible. There's just so much potential in these controllers that is just not accessible to the noobs and/or lazy.
I just have a lot of hope for the xtouch. They should hire some of the people in this group as consultants. :)

be well
 
  
yeah I guess from what I've seen most people just plug their synth directly to the bcr but I think being able to have your audio and midi data running into your daw and being able to change the sound with the bcr in real time would be awesome.  





On Saturday, February 22, 2014 1:26 PM, mkm <mkmannn@...> wrote:
 
  
I had a similar problem with my bcr. I ended up returning it and so scarred from the experience that I'm waiting to see what the new XTouch controllers are all about before I ever get close to a BCunit. 

Good luck. 


-- 
Be well.

oh thank you I'm going to try this out tonight.  But when you say give each synth their own midi channel, do you mean on the synth itself?  





On Saturday, February 22, 2014 4:52 PM, "tom.cuyt@..." <tom.cuyt@...> wrote:
 
  
1 method:
- Give each synth their own midi channel

- Set the BCR in usb mode
- Connect it to your computer
- Create a midi track
- Set synth1 as input, bcr as output
- Learn a few controls
- Do the same with synth2 as input, on the same program or a new one
- Delete midi track
- Make 2 new ones with each bcr as input and a different synth as output

Thanks Tom for all your help.  I have the preset loaded and hooked the bcr2000 directly to my synth through midi and the preset works perfectly, so I'm now going to skip the whole learn function route and just try to get these two pieces working together with the computer and the motu in between them.  I'm just going to try a bunch of things today and see if I get anywhere.





On Saturday, February 22, 2014 6:56 PM, "tom.cuyt@...m" <tom.cuyt@...> wrote:
 
  
Yep, on the synth itself.
It's not necessary if one or both synths are receiving sysex, instead of CC.

Ok I got it!  I'm just going into the computer via usb in usb mode.  I have to admit to a pretty boneheaded mistake.  I had user preset on the motu front panel set to user instead of factory so I think that's what was screwing up the connection.  What do you know, the answer was in the manual.  I really focused on going slow this time and starting from scratch one step at a time without getting impatient and annoyed and that's why I was able to catch this mistake.  Thanks all.





On Sunday, February 23, 2014 11:54 AM, Frank Reynolds <frankreynolds66@...> wrote:
 
  
Thanks Tom for all your help.  I have the preset loaded and hooked the bcr2000 directly to my synth through midi and the preset works perfectly, so I'm now going to skip the whole learn function route and just try to get these two pieces working together with the computer and the motu in between them.  I'm just going to try a bunch of things today and see if I get anywhere.





On Saturday, February 22, 2014 6:56 PM, "tom.cuyt@..." <tom.cuyt@...> wrote:
 
  
Yep, on the synth itself.
It's not necessary if one or both synths are receiving sysex, instead of CC.