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BCN44 / BC Manager?

BCN44 / BC Manager?

2015-03-31 by suren@...

Hello :-)


Apologies if this is obvious, but I want to use BC Manager to create some presets on my BCN44.

I am trying to create multiple presets for my Yamaha AN200 by the way (because of the limited controls per 'page'). I have so far created 4 presets. My BCN device does not get recognized by the software so unsure how to send these final presets to my the unit as the 'Send' command is greyed out.


Any help would be incredible!

Thank you!


<3

Re: [bc2000] BCN44 / BC Manager?

2015-03-31 by Chromatest J. Pantsmaker

Are you using BCN44 Manager, or BC Manager?
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On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:26 AM, suren@... [bc2000] <bc2000@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hello :-)


Apologies if this is obvious, but I want to use BC Manager to create some presets on my BCN44.

I am trying to create multiple presets for my Yamaha AN200 by the way (because of the limited controls per 'page'). I have so far created 4 presets. My BCN device does not get recognized by the software so unsure how to send these final presets to my the unit as the 'Send' command is greyed out.


Any help would be incredible!

Thank you!


<! ;3


Re: [bc2000] BCN44 / BC Manager?

2015-03-31 by Suren Seneviratne

Oh, I thought BC Manager WAS for the BCN44 too.

Sorry, didn't realize there was a separate application.

Will download and try now, thank you :-)
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On 31 March 2015 at 20:16, 'Chromatest J. Pantsmaker' chromatest@azburners.org [bc2000] <bc2000@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Are you using BCN44 Manager, or BC Manager?

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:26 AM, suren@... [bc2000] <bc2000@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hello :-)


Apologies if this is obvious, but I want to use BC Manager to create some presets on my BCN44.

I am trying to create multiple presets for my Yamaha AN200 by the way (because of the limited controls per 'page'). I have so far created 4 presets. My BCN device does not get recognized by the software so unsure how to send these final presets to my the unit as the 'Send' command is greyed out.


Any help would be incredible!

Thank you!


<! ;3





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Re: [bc2000] BCN44 / BC Manager?

2015-03-31 by Suren Seneviratne

It appears you cannot program SYSEX into the BCN44 :-(

Has anyone found a way to do this? Would love to insert AN200 stings into this thing.
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On 31 March 2015 at 20:16, 'Chromatest J. Pantsmaker' chromatest@...g [bc2000] <bc2000@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Are you using BCN44 Manager, or BC Manager?

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:26 AM, suren@... [bc2000] <bc2000@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hello :-)


Apologies if this is obvious, but I want to use BC Manager to create some presets on my BCN44.

I am trying to create multiple presets for my Yamaha AN200 by the way (because of the limited controls per 'page'). I have so far created 4 presets. My BCN device does not get recognized by the software so unsure how to send these final presets to my the unit as the 'Send' command is greyed out.


Any help would be incredible!

Thank you!


<! ;3





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Re: [bc2000] BCN44 / BC Manager?

2015-04-01 by rogersned26@...

It looks like AN200 hasn't got any sysex implementation however, it does have CC and NRPN changes so it would be possible to edit this with a midi controller.

Having said that, it appears your problem is that the BCN44 is not recognized by BC manager which could mean that it will not work with it or you haven't installed the correct drivers for your OS.

A quick search shows that Mountain Utilities has a specific editor for BCN44,

http://mountainutilities.eu/news/bcn44-manager-1-2-2-released

It would appear this is your first problem. You need BCN44 Manager NOT BC manager.

One you have this installed you need to install the appropriate driver for your OS then it should recognise the BCN44.



Re: [bc2000] Re: BCN44 / BC Manager?

2015-04-01 by Suren Seneviratne

Yes the AN200 has a fair amount of SYSEX implementation - which is great. What's even cooler is that all the strings you'd need are pre-programmed into BC Manager but are not included in BCN44 Manager! Maybe the device isn't capable of supporting it? Such a shame!

In theory, you should still be able to add custom output to elements in the BCN44 but I just can't seem to find a way.
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On 1 April 2015 at 08:18, rogersned26@... [bc2000] <bc2000@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Sorry AN200 does have sysex.




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Re: [bc2000] Re: BCN44 / BC Manager?

2015-04-01 by rogersned26@...

Yes, thats because there is a configuration file already loaded for that synth/module in BC manager module folder in Program Files on your C: drive.

I had a look at the manual for BCN44 and it didn't specifically list control by sysex, but I can't imagine why it wouldn't as its basically a stripped down BCR2000 without USB.

See if you can load the AN200 config file into the modules folder on C:Drive for BCN44 and read it from the editor

If not don't worry, just use the learn function to map the relevant CC data to the appropriate encoder or use the NRPN to control it as it DEFINITELY supports those, plus they usually have better resolution (14-bit or 0-16000 instead of 7-bit or 0-127)

Besides you don't really want to control the AN200 via sysex if there is a CC option as its is VERY data heavy and will be much S L O W E R.

TIP-----> only use sysex when there is no CC option.

Re: [bc2000] Re: BCN44 / BC Manager?

2015-04-01 by Suren Seneviratne

Hey, thanks for the reply.

While there are some CCs available for the AN200, most of the controls can be accessed via the front control panel so makes no sense to do so! What I am after, however, is knob control via BCN44 of hidden AN200 parameters such as OSC1 Pitch Coarse, Unison Detune etc. This is more fun!

I think SYSEX is the only way to do this right? I will try what you said about copying the config file into the modules folder.


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On 1 April 2015 at 11:59, rogersned26@... [bc2000] <bc2000@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Yes, thats because there is a configuration file already loaded for that synth/module in BC manager module folder in Program Files on your C: drive.

I had a look at the manual for BCN44 and it didn't specifically list control by sysex, but I can't imagine why it wouldn't as its basically a stripped down BCR2000 without USB.

See if you can load the AN200 config file into the modules folder on C:Drive for BCN44 and read it from the editor

If not don't worry, just use the learn function to map the relevant CC data to the appropriate encoder or use the NRPN to control it as it DEFINITELY supports those, plus they usually have better resolution (14-bit or 0-16000 instead of 7-bit or 0-127)

Besides you don't really want to control the AN200 via sysex if there is a CC option as its is VERY data heavy and will be much S L O W E R.

TIP-----> only use sysex when there is no CC option.




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Re: [bc2000] Re: BCN44 / BC Manager?

2015-04-01 by Ned Rogers

No worries,
Sorry, scrap that. There is no modules folder in BCN44 Manager. Also by looking at the site it doesn't have the same red button for sysex in the edit page like BC manager, so it appears it doesn't control sysex parameters.
You'll need to try it with NRPN if the parameter doesn't have a CC number associated with it and if it has neither, then your out of luck :(
Buy a BCR2000, you won't regret it!
:)
 


     On Wednesday, 1 April 2015, 21:59, "rogersned26@... [bc2000]" <bc2000@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
   

     Yes, thats because there is a configuration file already loaded for that synth/module in BC manager module folder in Program Files on your C: drive.

I had a look at the manual for BCN44 and it didn't specifically list control by sysex, but I can't imagine why it wouldn't as its basically a stripped down BCR2000 without USB.

See if you can load the AN200 config file into the modules folder on C:Drive for BCN44 and read it from the editor

If not don't worry, just use the learn function to map the relevant CC data to the appropriate encoder or use the NRPN to control it as it DEFINITELY supports those, plus they usually have better resolution (14-bit or 0-16000 instead of 7-bit or 0-127) 

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Re: [bc2000] Re: BCN44 / BC Manager?

2015-04-01 by Suren Seneviratne

No worries, thank you.

I already have a BCR2000! Though, my intention was to install the Zaquencer sequencer onto it and use the BCN44 for other (ideally SYSEX, CC) control) but I may now have to get a hold of another BCR/BCF for my SYSEX control and keep the BCN44 as a secondary CC control module!

So annoying the little guy can't handle SYSEX :-/

I9;ve not really begun to look into how NRPN's work to be honest, it was difficult enough getting to grips with SYSEX and hexadecimal!


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On 1 April 2015 at 12:29, Ned Rogers rogersned26@... [bc2000] <bc2000@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

No worries,

Sorry, scrap that. There is no modules folder in BCN44 Manager. Also by looking at the site it doesn't have the same red button for sysex in the edit page like BC manager, so it appears it doesn't control sysex parameters.

You'll need to try it with NRPN if the parameter doesn't have a CC number associated with it and if it has neither, then your out of luck :(

Buy a BCR2000, you won't regret it!

:)



On Wednesday, 1 April 2015, 21:59, "rogersned26@... [bc2000]" <bc2000@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Yes, thats because there is a configuration file already loaded for that synth/module in BC manager module folder in Program Files on your C: drive.

I had a look at the manual for BCN44 and it didn't specifically list control by sysex, but I can't imagine why it wouldn't as its basically a stripped down BCR2000 without USB.

See if you can load the AN200 config file into the modules folder on C:Drive for BCN44 and read it from the editor

If not don't worry, just use the learn function to map the relevant CC data to the appropriate encoder or use the NRPN to control it as it DEFINITELY supports those, plus they usually have better resolution (14-bit or 0-16000 instead of 7-bit or 0-127)

Besides you don't really want to control the AN200 via sysex if there is a CC option as its is VERY data heavy and will be much S L O W E R.

TIP-----> only use sysex when there is no CC option.





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Re: [bc2000] Re: BCN44 / BC Manager?

2015-04-01 by rogersned26@...

Hehe.

I have two BCR2000's and a BCF2000, these babies keep getting cheaper and cheaper. Last one cost me $100!

Yea, sysex is a bit of a headache but well worth learning. I'm yet to create presets for all my outboard gear.

In the to do list

TG-500
Alesis midiverb4
Casio XW-P1
Vox tonelab
Boss SE-50

Just finished one for my Access Virus C. :p

There is a custom setting in BCN44 but only allows entry of number of bits. I don't think the AN200 will control the parameters you want with NRPN.

Re: [bc2000] Re: BCN44 / BC Manager?

2015-04-01 by Suren Seneviratne

Oh cool. Yeah creating presets for gear can get addictive! Definitely on the hunt for another BCR/BCF

I did see the custom output of bits in the BCN44Manager but not sure what it means or what it can do.. Any ideas?!
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On 1 April 2015 at 12:54, rogersned26@... [bc2000] <bc2000@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hehe.

I have two BCR2000's and a BCF2000, these babies keep getting cheaper and cheaper. Last one cost me $100!

Yea, sysex is a bit of a headache but well worth learning. I'm yet to create presets for all my outboard gear.

In the to do list

TG-500
Alesis midiverb4
Casio XW-P1
Vox tonelab
Boss SE-50

Just finished one for my Access Virus C. :p

There is a custom setting in BCN44 but only allows entry of number of bits. I don't think the AN200 will control the parameters you want with NRPN.




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Re: [bc2000] Re: BCN44 / BC Manager?

2015-04-01 by rogersned26@...

No sorry. The custom 'button' in BCN44 Manager is different to the custom 'tab' in BC Manager and only mentions bytes, but I guess you could try putting a sysex string in there.

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