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JX-10 Issues

JX-10 Issues

2017-12-09 by sebastianlafayette@...

I have searched throughout the board looking for an answer to my issue, so if it's been resolved somewhere else I apologize in advance and hope someone can point me to the answer.


Have a JX-10 w/ Vecoven 3.12 and a BCR2000. I cannot for the life of me get this thing to learn properly. The first parameter that I map to an encoder works fine (e.g. filter cutoff). After that, I move to another encoder, say resonance. I use the learn function and get the "good" indicator from the BCR. However, when I move the second encoded knob, it seems to have mapped to the cutoff again. It does this endlessly.


I haven't seen any JX-10 specific files here, unless I totally missed it. Any light anyone can shed? Thanks in advance.


Re: JX-10 Issues

2017-12-10 by man.of.mystery@...

Have you checked what MIDI the synth is actually sending, Sebastian?

If you have a PC, and a MIDI interface for it, you can do it with MIDI-OX, using the monitor window, and route the MIDI input to the PC to the output of the MIDI interface, to feed to the BCR.

Literally all I know about the JX-10 is what I just read here:

http://www.vintagesynth.com/roland/jx10.php

It seems you have to assign a value to the single encoder wheel, then move that. Are you sure it's sending what you think it is?

Andy

Re: JX-10 Issues

2017-12-11 by sebastianlafayette@...

I'm going to have to investigate further, though I'm not very adept at scrutinizing midi code.

Re: JX-10 Issues

2017-12-11 by man.of.mystery@...

You won't need to understand much. A MIDI monitor shows a scrolling list of messages. If you're turning a knob that it's seeing, the number on the right is the value you're changing. The number before that is normally the CC being sent. If you manage to send different CCs, you will be able to see that number change.

Assuming you use MIDI-OX, connect the MIDI OUT of your JX-10 to a MIDI IN on your PCs MIDI interface. Connecting up the BCR is optional - you only need to see what's being sent, for now.

On the Options menu of MIDI-OX, choose MIDI Devices. That lets you tell it which inputs to watch. You can also use it to route the input back out, but you don't need that necessarily.

Here's how to connect an input and an output, with the input routed through to the output (though just the input will do). Tick the box at bottom left that says "Automatically attach inputs to outputs during selection". Click on the input you want, and the output you want. For now, you can just the input. Then press Okay. See attached picture.

Now, on the View menu, choose "Input monitor". Hopefully you will now see messages when you turn a knob, or your value dial.

You may also see a lot of useless Active Sense messages, and MIDI clock messages getting in the way of what you're looking for, so the next thing is to go to the Options menu and choose MIDI Filter, then tick some boxes to get rid of that stuff. See other attached picture - that's how I have mine set.

If you have some other MIDI controller, even a USB one, try that to get the hang of MIDI-OX's monitor. You normally have to connect a device without MIDI-OX running, then start it up, or it probably won't see it in Options->MIDI Devices.

Final picture - here's what it looks like, when it's working. If it's a standard CC, with a definition in the MIDI spec, MIDI-OX will show the official name. If it's a general purpose one, it just shows the number.

You aren't forced to use them for the intended purpose, of course - some synths use standard CCs to do different things than normal.

I think by default, MIDI-OX uses hexadecimal (e.g. 7F for 127), but you can switch that off, on the Options menu - move down to Data Display, then un-tick "Monitor input: hex", by clicking on the tick mark. In my example picture, it's showing the numbers in decimal.

If you have a Mac, I don't know of MIDI-OX is an option, but midi monitors are all quite similar.

Andy


---In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, <sebastianlafayette@...> wrote :

I'm going to have to investigate further, though I'm not very adept at scrutinizing midi code.

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Re: JX-10 Issues

2017-12-11 by man.of.mystery@...

Yahoo seems to have ditched two of my attachmnents. I'll try one per post. So far, you have just the Options->MIDI Filter option.

Here's Options->MIDI Devices.

Re: JX-10 Issues

2017-12-11 by man.of.mystery@...

... And here's the example of it showing the input monitor.

Re: JX-10 Issues

2017-12-11 by man.of.mystery@...

In that last example picture you see a list of messages. Each one starts with a time stamp, then an input number (which only means something to MIDI-OX), then an optional name for the input, which is blank - ignore all that.

Next is a status message which says what the message is and what channel it's for. In this example, they're all 176 (or B0, in hexadecimal), which means it's a CC, on channel 1.

Next is the CC number. In this example, there's 1 for MOD, 7 for volume, 10 for Pan, and 14, which is a general purpose one (use it how you want), so MIDI-OX doesn't name it.

After that is the current value of the CC being shown - that changes as you turn the knob.

Finally, there's the channel number. In this case, it's always 1, but it can be from 1 to 16. I'd forgotten that MIDI-OX shows that last.

Andy

Re: JX-10 Issues

2017-12-11 by James Meagher

I’m wondering if the BCR2000 template I made for the Vecoven 4.X PWM OS could work for you maybe. None of the PWM related knobs would do anything, but everything else should work . . ?

Links to download the BCR files and overlay images are in this GS post:

Re: JX-10 Issues

2017-12-11 by sebastianlafayette@...

Thanks for all the replies. I'm going to try and debug tomorrow. I am on a Mac, so I use MIDI Monitor. I did hook the BCR up to make sure it was transmitting data, which it was. 

I actually did try the Vecoven 4.X template, but I didn't have any success. The BCR received the .syx file (I assume based on the the way the BCR lit up), but no knobs did anything. I concede that I may have done something wrong, but I'm usually pretty good with getting this kind of stuff working properly. 

I'll have to dive in again tomorrow. Thanks again everyone.

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