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Real Ring and Oakley VCO - Problem

Real Ring and Oakley VCO - Problem

2005-07-13 by waveform100

When I patch a Sine from any of my Oakley VCO's into any of the Real
Ring Inputs (or out) and hear at the same time the Sine (with a
Multiple), the Sine is completely changed. I cannot hear the Ringmod-
Outs at the same time as the unmodulated Sine from the VCO, because
there is no Sine anymore. Its like the Real-Ring had some effect
backwards to the VCO electronic.

I don't get it.

Re: Real Ring and Oakley VCO - Problem

2005-07-13 by sasami@hotkey.net.au

Signal into one end, output from the other end. Carrier (modulating signal)
into the center terminals. The ring mod will load the output of what you
connect it to, so if the output is very weak, it will drop in volume. If you
feed sine waves of the same frequency into both one end, and the center, you
will get a sine wave of twice the frequency out.

Ken
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>When I patch a Sine from any of my Oakley VCO's into any of the Real
>Ring Inputs (or out) and hear at the same time the Sine (with a
>Multiple), the Sine is completely changed. I cannot hear the Ringmod-
>Outs at the same time as the unmodulated Sine from the VCO, because
>there is no Sine anymore. Its like the Real-Ring had some effect
>backwards to the VCO electronic.
>
>I don't get it.
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>The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
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_______________________________________________________________________
Ken Stone sasami@... or sasami@...
Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/synth/>
Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>

Re: Real Ring and Oakley VCO - Problem

2005-07-14 by waveform100

Sorry Ken, but this was not my question. I know how a Ring Mod works.
Of course the Ring Mod changes the incoming Waveform. But if I split
up the incoming Sine from the Oakley Sine BEFORE I go into the
RingMod and listen to the Sine (still directly from the VCO, not from
the Ringmod), its changed.
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--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, sasami@h... wrote:
> Signal into one end, output from the other end. Carrier (modulating
signal)
> into the center terminals. The ring mod will load the output of
what you
> connect it to, so if the output is very weak, it will drop in
volume. If you
> feed sine waves of the same frequency into both one end, and the
center, you
> will get a sine wave of twice the frequency out.
>
> Ken
>
> >When I patch a Sine from any of my Oakley VCO's into any of the
Real
> >Ring Inputs (or out) and hear at the same time the Sine (with a
> >Multiple), the Sine is completely changed. I cannot hear the
Ringmod-
> >Outs at the same time as the unmodulated Sine from the VCO,
because
> >there is no Sine anymore. Its like the Real-Ring had some effect
> >backwards to the VCO electronic.
> >
> >I don't get it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
______________________________________________________________________
_
> Ken Stone sasami@h... or sasami@c...
> Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/synth/>
> Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies
<http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>

Re: Real Ring and Oakley VCO - Problem

2005-07-14 by sasami@hotkey.net.au

>Sorry Ken, but this was not my question. I know how a Ring Mod works.
>Of course the Ring Mod changes the incoming Waveform. But if I split
>up the incoming Sine from the Oakley Sine BEFORE I go into the
>RingMod and listen to the Sine (still directly from the VCO, not from
>the Ringmod), its changed.

Refer to the comment on the ring mod loading the output of the VCO. Add a
buffer stage between them.

Ken


>
>
>
>--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, sasami@h... wrote:
>> Signal into one end, output from the other end. Carrier (modulating
>signal)
>> into the center terminals. The ring mod will load the output of
>what you
>> connect it to, so if the output is very weak, it will drop in
>volume. If you
>> feed sine waves of the same frequency into both one end, and the
>center, you
>> will get a sine wave of twice the frequency out.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> >When I patch a Sine from any of my Oakley VCO's into any of the
>Real
>> >Ring Inputs (or out) and hear at the same time the Sine (with a
>> >Multiple), the Sine is completely changed. I cannot hear the
>Ringmod-
>> >Outs at the same time as the unmodulated Sine from the VCO,
>because
>> >there is no Sine anymore. Its like the Real-Ring had some effect
>> >backwards to the VCO electronic.
>> >
>> >I don't get it.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
>> >
>> >Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>______________________________________________________________________
>_
>> Ken Stone sasami@h... or sasami@c...
>> Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/synth/>
>> Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies
><http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>
>
>
>
>
>The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
_______________________________________________________________________
Ken Stone sasami@... or sasami@...
Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/synth/>
Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>

Re: Real Ring and Oakley VCO - Problem

2005-07-14 by waveform100

Ups, sorry and thanks!

--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, sasami@h... wrote:
> >Sorry Ken, but this was not my question. I know how a Ring Mod
works.
> >Of course the Ring Mod changes the incoming Waveform. But if I
split
> >up the incoming Sine from the Oakley Sine BEFORE I go into the
> >RingMod and listen to the Sine (still directly from the VCO, not
from
> >the Ringmod), its changed.
>
> Refer to the comment on the ring mod loading the output of the VCO.
Add a
> buffer stage between them.
>
> Ken
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, sasami@h... wrote:
> >> Signal into one end, output from the other end. Carrier
(modulating
> >signal)
> >> into the center terminals. The ring mod will load the output of
> >what you
> >> connect it to, so if the output is very weak, it will drop in
> >volume. If you
> >> feed sine waves of the same frequency into both one end, and the
> >center, you
> >> will get a sine wave of twice the frequency out.
> >>
> >> Ken
> >>
> >> >When I patch a Sine from any of my Oakley VCO's into any of the
> >Real
> >> >Ring Inputs (or out) and hear at the same time the Sine (with a
> >> >Multiple), the Sine is completely changed. I cannot hear the
> >Ringmod-
> >> >Outs at the same time as the unmodulated Sine from the VCO,
> >because
> >> >there is no Sine anymore. Its like the Real-Ring had some
effect
> >> >backwards to the VCO electronic.
> >> >
> >> >I don't get it.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
> >> >
> >> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
>
>_____________________________________________________________________
_
> >_
> >> Ken Stone sasami@h... or sasami@c...
> >> Modular Synth PCBs for sale
<http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/synth/>
> >> Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies
> ><http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
______________________________________________________________________
_
> Ken Stone sasami@h... or sasami@c...
> Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/synth/>
> Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies
<http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>

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