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Gated Comparator Question

Gated Comparator Question

2005-08-13 by xambolt

Hello All,

I just finished constructing, rather reconstructing (I bought it used from someone who had
-ahem- "interesting" soldering techniques) my first CGS module, a Gated Comparator. It's
running almost 100% correctly, and I spent a few hours last night playing with it - very
cool module.

The only problem I'm having involves the last 4 stages of the shift register. For stages 1-4,
the status of the preceding stage is moved along with each clock pulse, as it should, but
for stages 5-8, they also get moved along, but about 60% of the time, the wrong value is
passed (on instead of off, or vice versa). It's a rev 1.1 board with the RC delay between the
halves of the 4015. Any ideas as to why this might be happening?

Thanks, and looking forward to some more CGS modules down the line...

-Chris

Re: Gated Comparator Question

2005-08-13 by sasami@hotkey.net.au

Sounds like the delay isn't working, or is too short.

Also, if you are using a LM358 as the input processor, switch it to a TL072
- it may be the the LM358 is too slow, giving a poor clock signal.

Ken
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>Hello All,
>
>I just finished constructing, rather reconstructing (I bought it used from
someone who had
>-ahem- "interesting" soldering techniques) my first CGS module, a Gated
Comparator. It's
>running almost 100% correctly, and I spent a few hours last night playing
with it - very
>cool module.
>
>The only problem I'm having involves the last 4 stages of the shift
register. For stages 1-4,
>the status of the preceding stage is moved along with each clock pulse, as
it should, but
>for stages 5-8, they also get moved along, but about 60% of the time, the
wrong value is
>passed (on instead of off, or vice versa). It's a rev 1.1 board with the RC
delay between the
>halves of the 4015. Any ideas as to why this might be happening?
>
>Thanks, and looking forward to some more CGS modules down the line...
>
>-Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>
>The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
_______________________________________________________________________
Ken Stone sasami@... or sasami@...
Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/synth/>
Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>

Re: Gated Comparator Question

2005-08-18 by xamboldt

Thanks, Ken! You nailed it. Actually, both of the things you pointed out
were wrong. The previous owner had installed a 1uf cap instead of a 1nf cap
on the RC filter. I changed that, but the problem persisted. So I swapped
out the LM358 for a TL072 and the problem vanished. I must say I'm amazed at
your long-distance diagnosis. Thanks again!

-Chris
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On 8/13/05 7:09 PM, "sasami@..." <sasami@...> wrote:

> Sounds like the delay isn't working, or is too short.
>
> Also, if you are using a LM358 as the input processor, switch it to a TL072
> - it may be the the LM358 is too slow, giving a poor clock signal.
>
> Ken
>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I just finished constructing, rather reconstructing (I bought it used from
> someone who had
>> -ahem- "interesting" soldering techniques) my first CGS module, a Gated
> Comparator. It's
>> running almost 100% correctly, and I spent a few hours last night playing
> with it - very
>> cool module.
>>
>> The only problem I'm having involves the last 4 stages of the shift
> register. For stages 1-4,
>> the status of the preceding stage is moved along with each clock pulse, as
> it should, but
>> for stages 5-8, they also get moved along, but about 60% of the time, the
> wrong value is
>> passed (on instead of off, or vice versa). It's a rev 1.1 board with the RC
> delay between the
>> halves of the 4015. Any ideas as to why this might be happening?
>>
>> Thanks, and looking forward to some more CGS modules down the line...
>>
>> -Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________________________________
> Ken Stone sasami@... or sasami@...
> Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/synth/>
> Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>
>
>
>
>
> The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: Gated Comparator Question

2005-08-18 by Richard Brewster

I have substituted the TL072 for the LM358 in many CGS comparator
circuits with good results. The one place you probably should not do
this is when the power supply is not dual, i.e. pin 4 is grounded
instead of -15V. The LM358 handles the single supply better, I believe.

For example, in the Infinite Melody, IC2 can be a TL072, but IC1 cannot.

-Richard Brewster

xamboldt wrote:
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>Thanks, Ken! You nailed it. Actually, both of the things you pointed out
>were wrong. The previous owner had installed a 1uf cap instead of a 1nf cap
>on the RC filter. I changed that, but the problem persisted. So I swapped
>out the LM358 for a TL072 and the problem vanished. I must say I'm amazed at
>your long-distance diagnosis. Thanks again!
>
>-Chris
>
>On 8/13/05 7:09 PM, "sasami@..." <sasami@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Sounds like the delay isn't working, or is too short.
>>
>>Also, if you are using a LM358 as the input processor, switch it to a TL072
>>- it may be the the LM358 is too slow, giving a poor clock signal.
>>
>>Ken
>>
>>

Re: Gated Comparator Question

2005-08-19 by sasami@hotkey.net.au

I've actually found that despite the TL072 not going to its negative rail,
it is better even single rail situations, depending on what the output is
driving (e.g. CMOS is fine). It seems the LM358 specs are all over the
place. Some are good and reliable, and some have very poor slew rates.

Ken
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>I have substituted the TL072 for the LM358 in many CGS comparator
>circuits with good results. The one place you probably should not do
>this is when the power supply is not dual, i.e. pin 4 is grounded
>instead of -15V. The LM358 handles the single supply better, I believe.
>
>For example, in the Infinite Melody, IC2 can be a TL072, but IC1 cannot.
>
>-Richard Brewster
>
>xamboldt wrote:
>
>>Thanks, Ken! You nailed it. Actually, both of the things you pointed out
>>were wrong. The previous owner had installed a 1uf cap instead of a 1nf cap
>>on the RC filter. I changed that, but the problem persisted. So I swapped
>>out the LM358 for a TL072 and the problem vanished. I must say I'm amazed at
>>your long-distance diagnosis. Thanks again!
>>
>>-Chris
>>
>>On 8/13/05 7:09 PM, "sasami@..." <sasami@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Sounds like the delay isn't working, or is too short.
>>>
>>>Also, if you are using a LM358 as the input processor, switch it to a TL072
>>>- it may be the the LM358 is too slow, giving a poor clock signal.
>>>
>>>Ken
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>
>
>The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
_______________________________________________________________________
Ken Stone sasami@... or sasami@...
Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/synth/>
Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>

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