Cgs synth

--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, sasami@... wrote:
>
>
> >I have 3 switchcraft type jacks(different that the box ones in ken's
> >diagram) that have 3 places to connect wires.
> >The first connects to the shaft where the plug enters so i figured
> >that is the ground or the equivalent of SL?
> >The other two connect to parts that are touching but when a plug
> >enters the one piece(A) is forced away from the other.
> >I am guessing that (A) is the equivalent of TP?
>
> The one that is forced away should be TP (the TIP). The important
thing is
> it is the contact that stays touching the tip of the plug. The
output must
> be one of the outer pairs of connections.
>
> >Also, my vco sounds weird now without the ring modulator attached.
> >I figured since this was a passive device, no harm would come from
> >trying different wiring out. Was this wrong to do?
>
> If you shorted out the VCO douring your experiments it would not be
good.
> Also while the ring mod is a passive device, it is also a heavy load -
> notably more so than most synth modules. If a synth module is designed
> propperly, it will not have any permanent affect, but if a synth
module is
> poorly designed it is vaguely possible damage could occur, though
I've not
> heard of it happening with the real ring before.
>
> Ken
>
> _______________________________________________________________________
> Ken Stone sasami@...
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>

>Ok, so the TP wire is going to the tip contact and the SL wire
>is going to the shaft or ground contact.
>One output from each oscillator is plugged directly into the left
>and middle jacks of the RRing.
>The jack on the right is plugged directly to an amp.
>There's still no sound.
>Well if i turn the amp all the way up I can hear the two
>original tones very faintly.
>The VCO output is very high though.
>I barely need the volume up at all on the amp to get
>good levels normally.
>I must be missing something very basic here.
>Is there anything else involved?
>thanks,
>-jay
>
>
>
>
>--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, sasami@... wrote:
>>
>>
>> >I have 3 switchcraft type jacks(different that the box ones in ken's
>> >diagram) that have 3 places to connect wires.
>> >The first connects to the shaft where the plug enters so i figured
>> >that is the ground or the equivalent of SL?
>> >The other two connect to parts that are touching but when a plug
>> >enters the one piece(A) is forced away from the other.
>> >I am guessing that (A) is the equivalent of TP?
>>
>> The one that is forced away should be TP (the TIP). The important
>thing is
>> it is the contact that stays touching the tip of the plug. The
>output must
>> be one of the outer pairs of connections.
>>
>> >Also, my vco sounds weird now without the ring modulator attached.
>> >I figured since this was a passive device, no harm would come from
>> >trying different wiring out. Was this wrong to do?
>>
>> If you shorted out the VCO douring your experiments it would not be
>good.
>> Also while the ring mod is a passive device, it is also a heavy load -
>> notably more so than most synth modules. If a synth module is designed
>> propperly, it will not have any permanent affect, but if a synth
>module is
>> poorly designed it is vaguely possible damage could occur, though
>I've not
>> heard of it happening with the real ring before.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> _______________________________________________________________________
>> Ken Stone sasami@...
>> Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/synth/>
>> Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>
>>
>
>
>
>
>The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, sasami@... wrote:
>
> What you are doing sounds correct.
>
> Check to see that a solder pad on the PCB hasn't lifted and that
none of the
> tracks have been broken while you were soldering.
>
> Ken
>
> >Ok, so the TP wire is going to the tip contact and the SL wire
> >is going to the shaft or ground contact.
> >One output from each oscillator is plugged directly into the left
> >and middle jacks of the RRing.
> >The jack on the right is plugged directly to an amp.
> >There's still no sound.
> >Well if i turn the amp all the way up I can hear the two
> >original tones very faintly.
> >The VCO output is very high though.
> >I barely need the volume up at all on the amp to get
> >good levels normally.
> >I must be missing something very basic here.
> >Is there anything else involved?
> >thanks,
> >-jay
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, sasami@ wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> >I have 3 switchcraft type jacks(different that the box ones in ken's
> >> >diagram) that have 3 places to connect wires.
> >> >The first connects to the shaft where the plug enters so i figured
> >> >that is the ground or the equivalent of SL?
> >> >The other two connect to parts that are touching but when a plug
> >> >enters the one piece(A) is forced away from the other.
> >> >I am guessing that (A) is the equivalent of TP?
> >>
> >> The one that is forced away should be TP (the TIP). The important
> >thing is
> >> it is the contact that stays touching the tip of the plug. The
> >output must
> >> be one of the outer pairs of connections.
> >>
> >> >Also, my vco sounds weird now without the ring modulator attached.
> >> >I figured since this was a passive device, no harm would come from
> >> >trying different wiring out. Was this wrong to do?
> >>
> >> If you shorted out the VCO douring your experiments it would not be
> >good.
> >> Also while the ring mod is a passive device, it is also a heavy
load -
> >> notably more so than most synth modules. If a synth module is
designed
> >> propperly, it will not have any permanent affect, but if a synth
> >module is
> >> poorly designed it is vaguely possible damage could occur, though
> >I've not
> >> heard of it happening with the real ring before.
> >>
> >> Ken
> >>
> >>
_______________________________________________________________________
> >> Ken Stone sasami@
> >> Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/synth/>
> >> Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies
<http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________________________________
> Ken Stone sasami@...
> Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/synth/>
> Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>
>

>> with a signal at one end and nothing in the middle, see if you get a
>signal
>> on the other side of that same transformer. Turn it around and try
>it the
>> other way too (i.e. the other transformer).
>
>
>I tried this and the signal is very faint.
>I have to turn the volume of the speakers up
>considerably to hear it and it doesn't show
>up on my oscilloscope.
>
>
>
>--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, sasami@... wrote:
>>
>> >The tracks and soldering look good.
>> >I'm not sure but I think there may be a problem with the transformers.
>>
>> I doubt it. They are all tested here before they leave.
>>
>>
>> >I found that the 14 pins in the middle(8 from diodes and 3 from each
>> >transformer) all produced the signal from the middle input.
>>
>> >The two pins on the right produced the signal connected to the right
>> >jack while the two pins on the left were silent.
>>
>> These two pins would be the output.
>>
>> with a signal at one end and nothing in the middle, see if you get a
>signal
>> on the other side of that same transformer. Turn it around and try
>it the
>> other way too (i.e. the other transformer).
>>
>> Ken
>> _______________________________________________________________________
>> Ken Stone sasami@...
>> Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/synth/>
>> Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>
>>
>
>
>
>
>The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

> do you have a multimeter? Measure the coils of the transformers and

> what you get. Reading between the two pads one one side of the

> Readings between the two outside pads on the 3 pads the other side, and
> between the center and each side.
>
> Ken

From: "mudthumpertwine" <mudthumpertwine@...>
To: <cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:07 PM
Subject: [cgs_synth] real ring wiring


> Hi,
> I just received my real ring modulator today, wired it up and
> connected it to two outputs on my paia vco then out to an amp and just
> got silence.
> Now I'm very new to this so I just wanted to make sure that I am
> wiring the jacks right.
> I have 3 switchcraft type jacks(different that the box ones in ken's
> diagram) that have 3 places to connect wires.
> The first connects to the shaft where the plug enters so i figured
> that is the ground or the equivalent of SL?
> The other two connect to parts that are touching but when a plug
> enters the one piece(A) is forced away from the other.
> I am guessing that (A) is the equivalent of TP?
> I've tried all sorts of wiring and the best i can get is that humming
> that means something isn't grounded.
> Any help would be much appreciated.
>
> Also, my vco sounds weird now without the ring modulator attached.
> I figured since this was a passive device, no harm would come from
> trying different wiring out. Was this wrong to do?
>
> -Jay
>
>
>
> The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>