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analogue shift register + LED board

analogue shift register + LED board

2007-10-06 by tommy_molotov

hi,

I've build an ASR with an LED linked to the clock input... at the
moment it simply lights up relative to the voltage presented to this
input. What I'd really like would be if it flashed quickly whenever
the shift register actually changed state - if I attached the CGS LED
driver to pin 1 of the ASR's 4024 might I be able to achieve this
effect? Or would I need some extra circuitry?

Thanks,
t

Re: analogue shift register + LED board

2007-10-06 by Jason Proctor

i did exactly the same thing and experienced the situation you're
seeing. the problem is that the 4024 triggers on the falling edge
(yuck) rather than the rising edge, so the incoming clock has to be
inverted before going to the chip, and since you took your feed off
the 4024, you're seeing the inverted clock. hence the LED will be lit
all the time, blinking off briefly when the clock happens.

my "fix", rightly or wrongly, was to take the clock from after the
15k resistor before it goes into the comparator opamp. worked for me,
though the LED isn't that bright...

hth
j
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>hi,
>
>I've build an ASR with an LED linked to the clock input... at the
>moment it simply lights up relative to the voltage presented to this
>input. What I'd really like would be if it flashed quickly whenever
>the shift register actually changed state - if I attached the CGS LED
>driver to pin 1 of the ASR's 4024 might I be able to achieve this
>effect? Or would I need some extra circuitry?
>
>Thanks,
>t
>


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Re: analogue shift register + LED board

2007-10-07 by peng3002

Since you guys have an ASR up and running, perhaps you could help me
with a question of my own. Are you getting slight shifts at the
outputs. I posted an example and a text file under the Files section
of the group. Also, do the SH opamps get kinda hot? How about the TL074?

I get shifts with every clock pulse. It's still a useful module even
with this feedthrough (offsets), but I'd like to know what other
people are experiencing. Perhaps there will always be some
feedthrough????????????

I've tried all the mods I've read for the ASR with little to no
change. I'm trying yet another brand of polystyrene caps before I give
up.

I'm wondering if ANYONE has an ASR that doesn't shift the outputs
slightly in time with the clock.

Please, someone...anyone, can you check the sample in the files
section under "asr question".

I'm not asking for an indepth circuit fix, just a simple: "yes, mine
does that, too" or a "No, something is wrong". This would help
enormously!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Thanks,
peng
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--- In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, Jason Proctor <jason@...> wrote:
>
> i did exactly the same thing and experienced the situation you're
> seeing. the problem is that the 4024 triggers on the falling edge
> (yuck) rather than the rising edge, so the incoming clock has to be
> inverted before going to the chip, and since you took your feed off
> the 4024, you're seeing the inverted clock. hence the LED will be lit
> all the time, blinking off briefly when the clock happens.
>
> my "fix", rightly or wrongly, was to take the clock from after the
> 15k resistor before it goes into the comparator opamp. worked for me,
> though the LED isn't that bright...
>
> hth
> j
>
>
>
> >hi,
> >
> >I've build an ASR with an LED linked to the clock input... at the
> >moment it simply lights up relative to the voltage presented to this
> >input. What I'd really like would be if it flashed quickly whenever
> >the shift register actually changed state - if I attached the CGS LED
> >driver to pin 1 of the ASR's 4024 might I be able to achieve this
> >effect? Or would I need some extra circuitry?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >t
> >
>
>
> --
> Jase is doing the AIDS ride next year - to sponsor him visit
> http://www.aidslifecycle.org/1674
>

Re: analogue shift register + LED board

2007-10-07 by Richard Brewster

I listened to your MP3s and heard a little blip on each clock, even
though the input did not change. Something is wrong with your ASR. I
just patched this up myself and I hear no blips or wiggles at all. The
output voltage and corresponding VCO pitch remain steady as long as the
input does not change. You may have a short on the board or some other
circuit problem. I don't think this would be caused by parts values. I
posted this when I built mine:

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/cgs_synth/message/946

I used 100 nf mixed film caps, Mouser 505-MKP20.1/250/5 (Wima) for Cx,
and added a 100 ohm resistor from pin 14 of the TL074 to pin 3 of the
first 4052, as mentioned in Ken's notes.

-Richard Brewster
http://www.pugix.com

peng3002 wrote:
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> Since you guys have an ASR up and running, perhaps you could help me
> with a question of my own. Are you getting slight shifts at the
> outputs. I posted an example and a text file under the Files section
> of the group. Also, do the SH opamps get kinda hot? How about the TL074?
>
> I get shifts with every clock pulse. It's still a useful module even
> with this feedthrough (offsets), but I'd like to know what other
> people are experiencing. Perhaps there will always be some
> feedthrough????????????
>
> I've tried all the mods I've read for the ASR with little to no
> change. I'm trying yet another brand of polystyrene caps before I give
> up.
>
> I'm wondering if ANYONE has an ASR that doesn't shift the outputs
> slightly in time with the clock.
>
> Please, someone...anyone, can you check the sample in the files
> section under "asr question".
>
> I'm not asking for an indepth circuit fix, just a simple: "yes, mine
> does that, too" or a "No, something is wrong". This would help
> enormously!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
> Thanks,
> peng
>
>

Re: analogue shift register + LED board

2007-10-07 by sasami@hotkey.net.au

>I've tried all the mods I've read for the ASR with little to no
>change. I'm trying yet another brand of polystyrene caps before I give
>up.

Perhaps try adding 47pf across each of the op-amps in the TL074 in case
there are stray oscillations. Add 10uF directly across the power rails of
the TL071 to see if that helps with the clock issue.

Ken
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