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crumar MMKB midi master keyboard help

crumar MMKB midi master keyboard help

2009-12-07 by jonscadden

I am new to midi but have aquired the above. From research I believe that it is the add keyboard controller for the Bit 01 also marketed in the states as the Unique DBM.
All I want to do with it, for now, is use it as a trigger for a soft synth in my PC. I have a soundcard with midi break out lead and freeware Synthmaker cm and Midi-ox to test it with. I get sound through headphones using the computer keyboard but the system XP doesn't seem to see the MMKB with either of the above. I had 'no midi devices'. this was cured by enabling Midi in the PC BIOS, but now 'no midi input devices'.
I need to get information on the MMKB to set it to transmit on midi CH1 etc and will probably need some drivers for the keyboard.
Can anybody help or am I going in the completely wrong direction here.
Anything would be much appreciated manuals/downloads/freeware as I am on a low budget for now.

Regards

Jon

Re: crumar MMKB midi master keyboard help

2009-12-08 by neurokrash

Could it be this model?

http://www.synthmuseum.com/crumar/unidbmad.jpg

If not,

I do not think windows will recognize MIDI devices connected to a MIDI port unless you are using specialized software like Sounddiver, and have both the MIDI in and OUT connected to the device.  This allows the computer to send MIDI SYSEX requests to the instrument for identification and memory dumping.  Even then, I doubt that this type of software can or will recognize most MIDI controllers since they are designed to manage instruments with sounds in them.

Drivers are not used for MIDI instruments (as far as I know), since it is a standard communication protocol designed to avoid the need for such things.  I have never heard of drivers for a MIDI only controller or instrument, and have never needed them for any of my instruments.  Newer instruments with MIDI and USB will have USB drivers.

The short answer is, don't expect the Crumar device to show up in Windows device manager even when it is setup and working properly because there is no way for Windows to know it is there.

Windows should only be aware of:

1) Internal hardware MIDI devices (wavetable, FM, and other similar devices designed to accept standard MIDI data as if they were an external instrument, but do not connect to a real MIDI interface)

2) MIDI ports - this would include gameport to MIDI cables, or USB MIDI interfaces

If you are using a gameport or USB midi interface, drivers will be needed to enable those ports.  Drivers for the USB interface should have been installed or requested automatically.  Gameport MIDI support seems to have been in the process of being dropped from Windows XP, so there may be complications in getting one to work.  This is because the MIDI cable connects to the joystick interface, for which some types of support were also dropped.  Here are some examples of people discussing the process of getting Gameport MIDI working in XP:

http://ask.metafilter.com/6274/Can-I-get-MIDI-input-through-the-game-port-in-Windows-XP

http://www.computing.net/answers/windows-xp/game-port-to-midi-port/97409.html

I think that some standard drivers may have to be installed manually by Adding Hardware, and conflicts need to be resolved if they are present.  A quick look at my current XP system shows a gameport conflict (yellow exclamation point) which appears to be common, and I have no MIDI ports on this system.  The only system I have that is connected with a gameport MIDI interface is running Windows 98, as many newer systems don't even have a gameport at all.

There should be a setting somewhere in the control panel under Sounds and Audio Devices, where you can make changes for MIDI input and output devices.  It will be necessary to set the computer to accept input from the correct MIDI input device once it is correctly installed.  If the input setting is not there, you may have to look around the control panel or search the net until you find where they have put it.

Once installed and configured, if you are still not hearing anything, it may be the MIDI channel.  Your MIDI adapter should be able to accept and monitor MIDI input on all 16 channels.  You may wish to look for a utility to display incoming MIDI information for your testing purposes, unless your soft synth will do so.  

Here's one called MIDI input viewer:

http://web.archive.org/web/20080419013339/http://www.borg.com/~jglatt/progs/software.htm

http://web.archive.org/web/20080419013339/http://www.borg.com/~jglatt/midi/software/midiview.exe

it requires this to run:

http://web.archive.org/web/20080419013339/http://www.borg.com/~jglatt/midi/software/genmidi.exe

There are probably more recent programs of this type.

One way around this issue is to try setting your soft synth to OMNI ON which is so that it will accept on any or all MIDI channels, or even just try all 16 channels one at a time.

The device you have is probably sending on MIDI channel 01 already, although it is possible that a previous owner changed it.

In summary, I would think the problem is either:

1) MIDI interface drivers are not actually installed
2) MIDI interface has a hardware conflict in the Device Manager
3) MIDI interface is not chosen as the MIDI input device in the appropriate control panel
4) MIDI channel mismatch

One last thing, remember also to connect the MIDI OUT from your controller to the MIDI IN on the computer (some people make the mistake of connecting OUTs to OUTs and INs to INs).

If all else fails, you can probably find someone willing to trade you a USB MIDI controller or keyboard for your much more rare device.

Good luck and happy music making.

Cheers

Re: crumar MMKB midi master keyboard help

2009-12-15 by clemvcv

Hi,

in america it was sold as "unique dbm" in europe as "crumar bit mmkb".
If you once understood the user's interface it's simple to use.

With the SCROLL buttons in the middle you choose the menue "MIDI CH., PROGRAMM, etc." than you can alter the parameters separated for the LEFT CENTER or RIGHT part of the keyboard by pressing the ARROW-Keys below the LCDs you can activate them and change them with the numeric buttons. If you choose "KBD MAP" you can change single paramaters voted by adress very logical - like a matrix. Here it is necessary that the adress of the choosen midi-out  "17" or "18" is switched on! You can store this settings than in one of 64 Patches.
Using the sequencer is a little more tricky.

I have only a german manual for this - don't know if it helps.

Best regards
clem!

Re: [crumar] Re: crumar MMKB midi master keyboard help

2009-12-30 by Jon Scadden

Hi, Thanks for your Email. Any idea at all where I could get of a manual in english. I tried your suggestions but I does not seem that simple to me just to use this device as a trigger for a soft synth in my PC. I am a bit new to Midi e.t.c. Any suggestions for other web sites e.t.c. would be very much appriciated




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Subject: [crumar] Re: crumar MMKB midi master keyboard help

  
Hi,

in america it was sold as "unique dbm" in europe as "crumar bit mmkb".
If you once understood the user's interface it's simple to use.

With the SCROLL buttons in the middle you choose the menue "MIDI CH., PROGRAMM, etc." than you can alter the parameters separated for the LEFT CENTER or RIGHT part of the keyboard by pressing the ARROW-Keys below the LCDs you can activate them and change them with the numeric buttons. If you choose "KBD MAP" you can change single paramaters voted by adress very logical - like a matrix. Here it is necessary that the adress of the choosen midi-out "17" or "18" is switched on! You can store this settings than in one of 64 Patches.
Using the sequencer is a little more tricky.

I have only a german manual for this - don't know if it helps.

Best regards
clem!

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