Datacolor User to User Support Group.

>>It sounds like you are agreeing with others that calibrating will not
solve my problem and don't expect Windows apps to look anything like
Photoshop...is that correct?

Don't expect accurate color on non-color managed applications (which 
includes browsers, on the Windows Platform). The further your monitor 
is from sRGB, the worse this will be.

>>It also sounds like you are working on a fix..."so that wide gamut
monitors will not be overstaturated, even in After mode, as they are
now."...is that correct too?

A fix for our own "before and after" window, so that it includes 
profile application, as well as video correction application. It would 
be helpful to end users to be able to see that right in the profiling 
software, after calibration and profling is completed.

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision, Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com

-----Original Message-----
From: mcennis3@...
To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 3 May 2007 11:25 PM
Subject: [colorvision_group] Re: Can't calibrate Dell 3007fpw-HC for 
Windows

   --- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:
>
> >>> As for nonp-color managed apps; as long as you calibrate to
> 2.2/6500,
> > you'll get about as good color from them as is possible. But
you'll
> > only get the profile in addition to the calibration in color
aware
> apps
> > like Photoshop.
>
> >Not sure what you mean.  Are you saying I won't get the
calibration in
> the other apps
>
> >but only photoshop?
>
> No, you'll get the video calibration in all apps; its just the
profile
> definition you won't get in anthing but Photoshop and other color
> managed apps...
>
>
> >Let's say I don't use photoshop or do any kind of photo editing
>
> > but I want my monitor to show the
>
> >correct colors and 2.2/6500 and D50 doesn't work.  I thought a
> hardware calibrator such
>
> >as the Spyder would correct it.


>
> It will neutralize your grays, and make your midtones midtone, but
it
> can't fix the definitions of the color primaries, as that is the
job of
> the profile.
>That was one of the things that Windows hoped to fix with
> Vista, but didn't manage to include: some way to assume something
other
> than sRGB at the OS level so that wide gamut monitors don't
> oversaturate colors. We, similarly, are working on using the
monitor
> profile, not just the calibration data, in our Before and After
window,
> so that (again) wide gamut monitors will not be oversaturated, even
in
> After mode, as they are now.

It sounds like you are agreeing with others that calibrating will not
solve my problem and don't expect Windows apps to look anything like
Photoshop...is that correct?
It also sounds like you are working on a fix..."so that wide gamut
monitors will not be overstaturated, even in After mode, as they are
now."...is that correct too?
>
> >
> > >>Photoshop does recognize the new profile. Here is the difference
> > between a desktop and web image vs. photoshop/print.
> >
> > >>http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...spydervs-1.jpg
> >
> > Link not valid, but it sounds like you are half way there. Are you
> > calibrating to 2.2/6500? What other settings and adjustments are
you
> > using?
>
> >2.2/6500, D50, Native White point
>
> >Maybe this link to picture will work. It does when I hit Preview
>
> >http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/mcennis3/spydervs-1.jpg
>
> >Thanks for your help! I didn't expect this kind of problem with
such
> an expensive monitor.
>
> >I'm wondering if the wider gamut is the problem. They sent me a
new
> one but it made no
>
> >difference.
>
> Yes, the oversaturation you are seeing in non-profiled locations is
> most likely caused by the wider gamut. You can prove this for
yourself.
> Open the PDI test image in Photoshop, and do a "Convert to Profile"
> choosing your monitor profile as the output space. Then save a copy
> ("PDI WideGamutRGB") and view THAT in a noncolor managed
enviromment.
> This would be the equivalent of viewing in an app that converts for
> you. Should eliminate the problem, if what I see in your sample
images
> is what I think I'm seeing. Usually its the yellows, greens, and
Cyans
> that are most effected, but you seem to have a extra saturated red
as
> well...

Have you experienced this problem with the 3007fpw(non-HC)? Again, it
sounds like the Spyder (or any other calibrator) was not the solution
to my problem.
Thanks again for the info.
>
> C. David Tobie
> Product Technology Manager
> ColorVision, Inc.
> CDTobie@...
> www.colorvision.com
>
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