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My 3007fpw-HC is overstaturated. Desktop, web, Windows Preview, etc. 
show extremely red skintones. After calibrating there is no change on 
any of these apps. What can I do to make Windows recognize the new 
profile? 
I have deleted adobe gamma. Spyder 2 is the only thing in STARTUP but 
it didn't help. I installed Windows Image Color management and it was 
the only thing in STARTUP but that didn't help either. 
I have tried Basiccolor and ColorEyes with no luck. 
It is the only monitor connected to the PC. 

Every response from other forums I've gotten so far is that these 
apps are not color aware and cannot be calibrated and my only 
solution is to use my videocard settings and sell my new Spyder2. 

Photoshop does recognize the new profile. Here is the difference 
between a desktop and web image vs. photoshop/print. 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...spydervs-1.jpg 

Colorvision sent a new spyder2 which actually did make a better 
profile for PS but had no effect on everything else. 

Thanks for any help

>>My 3007fpw-HC is overstaturated. Desktop, web, Windows Preview, etc.
show extremely red skintones. After calibrating there is no change on
any of these apps. What can I do to make Windows recognize the new
profile?

First, find out if Windows is using the Spyder profile. Open Photoshop, 
go to Color Settings, and under RGB workingspace, trigger the popdown 
list, and scroll to the top, where MonitorRGB-ZZZZ should be listed, 
with your custom Spyder-build profile listed where I put ZZZZ. If so, 
then your profile is properly listed by Windows. If not, it isn't, and 
you need to install it manually, from right clicking on the desktop, 
navigating to the advanced settings, color management, and setting the 
Spyder profile as your default monitor profile. By the way, don't leave 
Photoshop's RGB workingspace set at your monitor profile, just check it 
there, then return it to AdobeRGB, sRGB, or whatever you use.

>>I have deleted adobe gamma. Spyder 2 is the only thing in STARTUP but
it didn't help. I installed Windows Image Color management and it was
the only thing in STARTUP but that didn't help either.
I have tried Basiccolor and ColorEyes with no luck.
It is the only monitor connected to the PC.

Well, it three applications have the same issue its not a problem with 
the applications...

>>Every response from other forums I've gotten so far is that these
apps are not color aware and cannot be calibrated and my only
solution is to use my videocard settings and sell my new Spyder2.


Spyder2 will adjust your videocard settings, and include that data in a 
special tag in the monitor profile, which is then flashed at startup by 
the ColorVison startup utility. Do you see a ColorVision screen at 
startup? Does it list your correct monitor profile by name? Does a 
visible flash occur on screen when it loads the video corrections?

As for nonp-color managed apps; as long as you calibrate to 2.2/6500, 
you'll get about as good color from them as is possible. But you'll 
only get the profile in addition to the calibration in color aware apps 
like Photoshop.

>>Photoshop does recognize the new profile. Here is the difference
between a desktop and web image vs. photoshop/print.

>>http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...spydervs-1.jpg

Link not valid, but it sounds like you are half way there. Are you 
calibrating to 2.2/6500? What other settings and adjustments are you 
using?

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision, Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com
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>
> >>My 3007fpw-HC is overstaturated. Desktop, web, Windows Preview, etc.
> show extremely red skintones. After calibrating there is no change on
> any of these apps. What can I do to make Windows recognize the new
> profile?
>
> First, find out if Windows is using the Spyder profile. Open Photoshop,
> go to Color Settings, and under RGB workingspace, trigger the popdown
> list, and scroll to the top, where MonitorRGB-ZZZZ should be listed,
> with your custom Spyder-build profile listed where I put ZZZZ. If so,
> then your profile is properly listed by Windows. If not, it isn't, and
> you need to install it manually, from right clicking on the desktop,
> navigating to the advanced settings, color management, and setting the
> Spyder profile as your default monitor profile. By the way, don't leave
> Photoshop's RGB workingspace set at your monitor profile, just check it
> there, then return it to AdobeRGB, sRGB, or whatever you use.
>

Yes...it has the spyder profile next to MonitorRGB.

> >>I have deleted adobe gamma. Spyder 2 is the only thing in STARTUP but
> it didn't help. I installed Windows Image Color management and it was
> the only thing in STARTUP but that didn't help either.
> I have tried Basiccolor and ColorEyes with no luck.
> It is the only monitor connected to the PC.
>
> Well, it three applications have the same issue its not a problem with
> the applications...
>
> >>Every response from other forums I've gotten so far is that these
> apps are not color aware and cannot be calibrated and my only
> solution is to use my videocard settings and sell my new Spyder2.
>
>
> Spyder2 will adjust your videocard settings, and include that data in a
> special tag in the monitor profile, which is then flashed at startup by
> the ColorVison startup utility. Do you see a ColorVision screen at
> startup? Does it list your correct monitor profile by name? Does a
> visible flash occur on screen when it loads the video corrections?

Yes...it flashes the calibrated profile
>
> As for nonp-color managed apps; as long as you calibrate to 2.2/6500,
> you'll get about as good color from them as is possible. But you'll
> only get the profile in addition to the calibration in color aware apps
> like Photoshop.

Not sure what you mean. Are you saying I won't get the calibration in the other apps

but only photoshop? Let's say I don't use photoshop or do any kind of photo editing

but I want my monitor to show the

correct colors and 2.2/6500 and D50 doesn't work. I thought a hardware calibrator such

as the Spyder would correct it.
>
> >>Photoshop does recognize the new profile. Here is the difference
> between a desktop and web image vs. photoshop/print.
>
> >>http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...spydervs-1.jpg
>
> Link not valid, but it sounds like you are half way there. Are you
> calibrating to 2.2/6500? What other settings and adjustments are you
> using?

2.2/6500, D50, Native White point

Maybe this link to picture will work. It does when I hit Preview

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/mcennis3/spydervs-1.jpg

Thanks for your help! I didn't expect this kind of problem with such an expensive monitor.

I'm wondering if the wider gamut is the problem. They sent me a new one but it made no

difference.

> C. David Tobie
> Product Technology Manager
> ColorVision, Inc.
> CDTobie@...
> www.colorvision.com
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>>> As for nonp-color managed apps; as long as you calibrate to 
2.2/6500,
> you'll get about as good color from them as is possible. But you'll
> only get the profile in addition to the calibration in color aware 
apps
> like Photoshop.

>Not sure what you mean.  Are you saying I won't get the calibration in 
the other apps

>but only photoshop?

No, you'll get the video calibration in all apps; its just the profile 
definition you won't get in anthing but Photoshop and other color 
managed apps...


>Let's say I don't use photoshop or do any kind of photo editing

> but I want my monitor to show the

>correct colors and 2.2/6500 and D50 doesn't work.  I thought a 
hardware calibrator such

>as the Spyder would correct it.

It will neutralize your grays, and make your midtones midtone, but it 
can't fix the definitions of the color primaries, as that is the job of 
the profile. That was one of the things that Windows hoped to fix with 
Vista, but didn't manage to include: some way to assume something other 
than sRGB at the OS level so that wide gamut monitors don't 
oversaturate colors. We, similarly, are working on using the monitor 
profile, not just the calibration data, in our Before and After window, 
so that (again) wide gamut monitors will not be oversaturated, even in 
After mode, as they are now.

>
> >>Photoshop does recognize the new profile. Here is the difference
> between a desktop and web image vs. photoshop/print.
>
> >>http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...spydervs-1.jpg
>
> Link not valid, but it sounds like you are half way there. Are you
> calibrating to 2.2/6500? What other settings and adjustments are you
> using?

>2.2/6500, D50, Native White point

>Maybe this link to picture will work. It does when I hit Preview

>http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/mcennis3/spydervs-1.jpg

>Thanks for your help! I didn't expect this kind of problem with such 
an expensive monitor.

>I'm wondering if the wider gamut is the problem. They sent me a new 
one but it made no

>difference.

Yes, the oversaturation you are seeing in non-profiled locations is 
most likely caused by the wider gamut. You can prove this for yourself. 
Open the PDI test image in Photoshop, and do a "Convert to Profile" 
choosing your monitor profile as the output space. Then save a copy 
("PDI WideGamutRGB") and view THAT in a noncolor managed enviromment. 
This would be the equivalent of viewing in an app that converts for 
you. Should eliminate the problem, if what I see in your sample images 
is what I think I'm seeing. Usually its the yellows, greens, and Cyans 
that are most effected, but you seem to have a extra saturated red as 
well...

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision, Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com
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--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:
>
> >>> As for nonp-color managed apps; as long as you calibrate to 
> 2.2/6500,
> > you'll get about as good color from them as is possible. But 
you'll
> > only get the profile in addition to the calibration in color 
aware 
> apps
> > like Photoshop.
> 
> >Not sure what you mean.  Are you saying I won't get the 
calibration in 
> the other apps
> 
> >but only photoshop?
> 
> No, you'll get the video calibration in all apps; its just the 
profile 
> definition you won't get in anthing but Photoshop and other color 
> managed apps...
> 
> 
> >Let's say I don't use photoshop or do any kind of photo editing
> 
> > but I want my monitor to show the
> 
> >correct colors and 2.2/6500 and D50 doesn't work.  I thought a 
> hardware calibrator such
> 
> >as the Spyder would correct it.


> 
> It will neutralize your grays, and make your midtones midtone, but 
it 
> can't fix the definitions of the color primaries, as that is the 
job of 
> the profile. 
>That was one of the things that Windows hoped to fix with 
> Vista, but didn't manage to include: some way to assume something 
other 
> than sRGB at the OS level so that wide gamut monitors don't 
> oversaturate colors. We, similarly, are working on using the 
monitor 
> profile, not just the calibration data, in our Before and After 
window, 
> so that (again) wide gamut monitors will not be oversaturated, even 
in 
> After mode, as they are now.

It sounds like you are agreeing with others that calibrating will not 
solve my problem and don't expect Windows apps to look anything like 
Photoshop...is that correct?
It also sounds like you are working on a fix..."so that wide gamut 
monitors will not be overstaturated, even in After mode, as they are 
now."...is that correct too?
> 
> >
> > >>Photoshop does recognize the new profile. Here is the difference
> > between a desktop and web image vs. photoshop/print.
> >
> > >>http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...spydervs-1.jpg
> >
> > Link not valid, but it sounds like you are half way there. Are you
> > calibrating to 2.2/6500? What other settings and adjustments are 
you
> > using?
> 
> >2.2/6500, D50, Native White point
> 
> >Maybe this link to picture will work. It does when I hit Preview
> 
> >http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/mcennis3/spydervs-1.jpg
> 
> >Thanks for your help! I didn't expect this kind of problem with 
such 
> an expensive monitor.
> 
> >I'm wondering if the wider gamut is the problem. They sent me a 
new 
> one but it made no
> 
> >difference.
> 
> Yes, the oversaturation you are seeing in non-profiled locations is 
> most likely caused by the wider gamut. You can prove this for 
yourself. 
> Open the PDI test image in Photoshop, and do a "Convert to Profile" 
> choosing your monitor profile as the output space. Then save a copy 
> ("PDI WideGamutRGB") and view THAT in a noncolor managed 
enviromment. 
> This would be the equivalent of viewing in an app that converts for 
> you. Should eliminate the problem, if what I see in your sample 
images 
> is what I think I'm seeing. Usually its the yellows, greens, and 
Cyans 
> that are most effected, but you seem to have a extra saturated red 
as 
> well...

Have you experienced this problem with the 3007fpw(non-HC)? Again, it 
sounds like the Spyder (or any other calibrator) was not the solution 
to my problem.
Thanks again for the info.
> 
> C. David Tobie
> Product Technology Manager
> ColorVision, Inc.
> CDTobie@...
> www.colorvision.com
> 
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>>It sounds like you are agreeing with others that calibrating will not
solve my problem and don't expect Windows apps to look anything like
Photoshop...is that correct?

Don't expect accurate color on non-color managed applications (which 
includes browsers, on the Windows Platform). The further your monitor 
is from sRGB, the worse this will be.

>>It also sounds like you are working on a fix..."so that wide gamut
monitors will not be overstaturated, even in After mode, as they are
now."...is that correct too?

A fix for our own "before and after" window, so that it includes 
profile application, as well as video correction application. It would 
be helpful to end users to be able to see that right in the profiling 
software, after calibration and profling is completed.

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision, Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com

-----Original Message-----
From: mcennis3@...
To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 3 May 2007 11:25 PM
Subject: [colorvision_group] Re: Can't calibrate Dell 3007fpw-HC for 
Windows

   --- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:
>
> >>> As for nonp-color managed apps; as long as you calibrate to
> 2.2/6500,
> > you'll get about as good color from them as is possible. But
you'll
> > only get the profile in addition to the calibration in color
aware
> apps
> > like Photoshop.
>
> >Not sure what you mean.  Are you saying I won't get the
calibration in
> the other apps
>
> >but only photoshop?
>
> No, you'll get the video calibration in all apps; its just the
profile
> definition you won't get in anthing but Photoshop and other color
> managed apps...
>
>
> >Let's say I don't use photoshop or do any kind of photo editing
>
> > but I want my monitor to show the
>
> >correct colors and 2.2/6500 and D50 doesn't work.  I thought a
> hardware calibrator such
>
> >as the Spyder would correct it.


>
> It will neutralize your grays, and make your midtones midtone, but
it
> can't fix the definitions of the color primaries, as that is the
job of
> the profile.
>That was one of the things that Windows hoped to fix with
> Vista, but didn't manage to include: some way to assume something
other
> than sRGB at the OS level so that wide gamut monitors don't
> oversaturate colors. We, similarly, are working on using the
monitor
> profile, not just the calibration data, in our Before and After
window,
> so that (again) wide gamut monitors will not be oversaturated, even
in
> After mode, as they are now.

It sounds like you are agreeing with others that calibrating will not
solve my problem and don't expect Windows apps to look anything like
Photoshop...is that correct?
It also sounds like you are working on a fix..."so that wide gamut
monitors will not be overstaturated, even in After mode, as they are
now."...is that correct too?
>
> >
> > >>Photoshop does recognize the new profile. Here is the difference
> > between a desktop and web image vs. photoshop/print.
> >
> > >>http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...spydervs-1.jpg
> >
> > Link not valid, but it sounds like you are half way there. Are you
> > calibrating to 2.2/6500? What other settings and adjustments are
you
> > using?
>
> >2.2/6500, D50, Native White point
>
> >Maybe this link to picture will work. It does when I hit Preview
>
> >http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/mcennis3/spydervs-1.jpg
>
> >Thanks for your help! I didn't expect this kind of problem with
such
> an expensive monitor.
>
> >I'm wondering if the wider gamut is the problem. They sent me a
new
> one but it made no
>
> >difference.
>
> Yes, the oversaturation you are seeing in non-profiled locations is
> most likely caused by the wider gamut. You can prove this for
yourself.
> Open the PDI test image in Photoshop, and do a "Convert to Profile"
> choosing your monitor profile as the output space. Then save a copy
> ("PDI WideGamutRGB") and view THAT in a noncolor managed
enviromment.
> This would be the equivalent of viewing in an app that converts for
> you. Should eliminate the problem, if what I see in your sample
images
> is what I think I'm seeing. Usually its the yellows, greens, and
Cyans
> that are most effected, but you seem to have a extra saturated red
as
> well...

Have you experienced this problem with the 3007fpw(non-HC)? Again, it
sounds like the Spyder (or any other calibrator) was not the solution
to my problem.
Thanks again for the info.
>
> C. David Tobie
> Product Technology Manager
> ColorVision, Inc.
> CDTobie@...
> www.colorvision.com
>
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--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:
>
> >>It sounds like you are agreeing with others that calibrating will 
not
> solve my problem and don't expect Windows apps to look anything like
> Photoshop...is that correct?
> 
> Don't expect accurate color on non-color managed applications 
(which 
> includes browsers, on the Windows Platform). The further your 
monitor 
> is from sRGB, the worse this will be.

Do you know a way to adjust the color before calibrating on these 30" 
monitors that only offer the Brightness +/- buttons...perhaps a 
Service Menu that can be accessed with the front panel buttons like 
the smaller Dell monitors?

Powering off your screen 
Holding down MENU and + buttons while powering it on 
Release those buttons and enter the MENU 
Select FACTORY RESET 
Scroll down to FACTORY 
> 
> >>It also sounds like you are working on a fix..."so that wide gamut
> monitors will not be overstaturated, even in After mode, as they are
> now."...is that correct too?
> 
> A fix for our own "before and after" window, so that it includes 
> profile application, as well as video correction application. It 
would 
> be helpful to end users to be able to see that right in the 
profiling 

> software, after calibration and profling is completed.
> 
> C. David Tobie
> Product Technology Manager
> ColorVision, Inc.
> CDTobie@...
> www.colorvision.com
>