Datacolor User to User Support Group.

Hi,

I have both the Spyder Print and the X-Rite Eye-One Pro.  I use them to
profile an Epson R1800 with Ink Republic CIS inks.  Both instruments are
very comparable to each other in terms of the resulting profiles. The Eye
One is a bit easier to use because it can scan but the Spyder software is
better (IMO) because of its flexibility in modifying the profiles.  From my
experience I don't understand Eye One working and the Spyder not, or the
other way around.

I did not see from your posts whether or not your 2100 produces a cast with
Epson paper and ink. If it does, then something is wrong with the printer
(like a clogged nozzle.) Blues printing as purple can occur when the blue in
the image is outside of the printer's gamut. Does the blue-to-purple shift
show up when soft-proofing in PhotoShop? If yes, then the image colors may
be outside the gamut. Do you print with the Saturation intent as recommended
by DataColor? Again, in my experience both Spyder and Eye One produce
profiles with comparable gamut volumes.

Have you tried eliminating the color cast by adjusting the sliders in the
Spyder Print software? I have been able to get very neutral black and white
prints for the Epson 1800 by adjusting the sliders; note that the 1800 is
not known as quality B&W printer because it has only one black ink. I
cropped the gray scale from one of the test images, printed the scale,
measured the neutrality with the Spyder, adjusted the sliders and
printed/measured until I achieved a neutral B&W gray scale. Doing it this
way I could get 8-12 tests on a single sheet of paper.

Good Luck,

Bob Schoner

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From: datacolor_group@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:datacolor_group@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Christoph Fischer
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 3:33 PM
To: datacolor_group@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re(2): [datacolor_group] Re: Advice about Spyder3Studio

thanks. i'll try to go on with the spyder.
some canned profiles print quite neutral,  i.e. the result is
satisfying. some corrected spyder profiles work well in some cases. i'll
have the choice.
if i'll be very rich one day, i'll buy an x-rite... eventually
christoph

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CDTobie  / CDTobie@...
Tue, 9 Jun 2009 12:18:41 -0400 / Re: [datacolor_group] Re: Advice about
Spyder3Studio


>
>>ok. i repeat, what i've written in my very recent posts:  my printer
>>(epson2100) 
>>produces a cyan-green color cast . spyderprint turns it in a green-
>>yellow cast
>>
>It appears you are saying canned profiles for this printer do not
>produce neutral prints? If not, it may be an unsolvable issue... If X-
>Rite tools can magically fix it and Datacolor ones cannot (and this
>happens once in a while in one direction, once in a while in the other)
>then you may be obliged to choose your profiling tools accordingly. If
>neither one will produce neutral prints, you'll probably need to accept
>that the printer is not going to print acceptable color, and at your
>options for a newer printer.
>
>
>C. David Tobie
>Global Product Technology Manager
>Digital Imaging & Home Theater
>Datacolor
>CDTobie@...
>www.datacolor.com/Spyder3
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: christoph fischer <tarqeq@...>
>To: datacolor_group@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 8:41 pm
>Subject: [datacolor_group] Re: Advice about Spyder3Studio
>
>ok. i repeat, what i've written in my very recent posts:  my printer
>(epson2100) 
>produces a cyan-green color cast . spyderprint turns it in a green-
>yellow cast 
>and blue becomes purple (also see message 3386). i understand how the 
>application is working, i understand the manual etc. the swiss supporters 
>examined my printer and the spyder device which seemed to functioning
>correctly. 
>we discussed the problem and questions of drivers and settings (photoshop 
>manages colors, no
>color adjustment by the driver etc), however there was no solution. 
>
>- i've tried a lot of different driver settings as well as the gimp print 
>driver. the color cast is clearly visible in every case. The epson
>support said 
>there might be a problem with the datacolor software or device; the swiss 
>datacolor support said, there might be a problem with the epson 2100...
> i hope to find some better answers here. 
>
>- as we know, x-rite products allow this printer to print blue color.
>how is it 
>possible to achieve it with spyderprint?
>thanks for your help.
>christoph
>
>
>--- In datacolor_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie <CDTobie@...> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Sorry, can't tell what you are saying, or what you are asking, or what
>you are 
>referring to. Please write complete sentences with clear content (and
>quotes, if 
>they reference something), so that we can get over the language issue,
>and into 
>the technical issue.
>> 
>> 
>> C. David Tobie
>> WW Product Technology Manager
>> Digital Imaging & Home Theater
>> Datacolor
>> CDTobie@...
>> www.datacolor.com/Spyder3
>> 
>> www.colorvision.com
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: christoph fischer <tarqeq@...>
>> To: datacolor_group@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 10:31 am
>> Subject: [datacolor_group] Re: Advice about Spyder3Studio
>
>> 
>> i hardly can believe, that it should be possible to get a neutral gray 
>gradient. 
>> printing a target without profile yet produces a strong green (ev.
>cyan cast). 
>i 
>> thought, this is normal with this printer, isn't it?
>> 
>> however there are several standard profiles working well. e.g. from
ilford 
>> permajet, (including an custom profile made by permajet. Moreover these 
>profiles 
>> are printing real blue!
>> thanks for help or, at least,  explanation...
>> 
>> christoph



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