Datacolor User to User Support Group.

As a follow up, I noticed in another forum someone else was having a problem with creating profiles S3P, using a Epson 4000 and CS4. The person stated that he wrote to the DataColor tech specialist and was informed(via email) that there was an issue with S3P, the 4000 and CS4. I have requested a copy of that email to see what it states. While I have a 4800 and also go through CS4, what I see is that since the Epson print driver is turned off, the printer is not an issue and in fact there may be an issue with S3P and CS4, since this is where I see the problem occuring.
I also did another iteration(today) of the profile I'm trying to alter, and printed it through the S3P software and as in the past it showed the changes I had made. Since this was printed in this manner and not through CS4, and the printer driver was turned off, the S3P drivers controlled the printing. in other words, the printer and PS drivers were out of the loop.
Also, in making all these prints of the S3P test image, with all the different iterations I'm creating, I've noticed the info at the bottom left of the print has some data starting with SPTemp(some numbers-different with each print), the rendering intent stays the same but always the same date and time. Shouldn't this change with each new print made? 

--- In datacolor_group@yahoogroups.com, "Keith" <kjrslr@...> wrote:
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> In what respect would the profile not be applied to the image I'm using? It is a tiff image in ProPhoto color space(which is what I have both PS and LR set to). When I open it in PS and do a soft proof, it changes, indicating soft proof is applied.
> As far as work flow, CM is off in the print driver and PS handles CM.
> The profile that was created in S3P is selected, Document is checked(in PS print dialog box), rendering intent is RelCol(as was the intent in the S3P test image), and Black point checked.
> One thing I did notice was when I choose to make a change to the original profile I created, it was in the drop down from which to choose from. Subsequent profiles that were created and saved(and indicated with info as to where it was found) did not show up in the S3P drop down.
> As to testing it in S3p, I did print it out with the exaggerated profile(a heavy green bias) and the only real place it showed was in the B&W(it went from neutral to slight green). If in fact the last iteration(the green bias) was being used in PS, at the very least, the B&W grey ramps would also show the same green tinge as did the print made in S3P.
> But, I won't be printing my images through S3P so that is why I used a real world image through PS.
> I've outlined my work flow, which is not out of the ordinary, so can you please advise why only the original(I'm assuming)profile is the only one being used even though I've made iterations(and named as such)and used them in PS? Do the changes I make in S3P need to be a radical change. Do I need to make a 20 to 40 point jump in color or contrast, or brightness(for example) in order to be detected?
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> --- In datacolor_group@yahoogroups.com, C D Tobie <CDTobie@> wrote:
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> > The place to test your profiles is right In S3Print, using the SpyderProof test images; that will eliminate a number of factors and let us know that your profiles are working correctly. Your current external test may not be testing your profiles at all, if there is some issue in your workflow keeping the profiles from being applied properly.   
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> > C. David Tobie
> > Global Product Technology Manager
> > Digital Imaging and Home Theater
> > Datacolor inc. 
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> > On Aug 13, 2010, at 8:50 PM, "Keith" <kjrslr@> wrote:
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> > > I am using Spyder3Print 4.1.1 to create printing profiles and printing through PhotoShop CS4. I'm printing with an Epson 4800 with ConeColor inks.
> > > With the new ink set, I set about to create a new profile for the inkset. I followed the instructions and printed out the 9 sheet of patches, allowing them to dry overnight. I read all the patches and created the profile, giving it a name, all within S3P, then hit save.
> > > Going into PS, I picked an image to print(a test image from OutBackPhoto
> > > :http://www.outbackprint.com/printinginsights/pi049/essay.html
> > > and went into the print dialog.
> > > I called up the new profile I made in S3P and made sure that color management was off in the print driver, letting PS handle the CM.
> > > I made the print and let it dry.
> > > I noticed that in needed some modifications and went back into S3P and called up the profile I made, clicked on Advance editing and moved the sliders to make corrections. I then clicked save and gave it a new name, after which it told me where it was on my HD.
> > > I then went back into PS, brought up the same image, and pulled up the "new" profile and printed it out. I did this for 2 additional prints, each time going back into S3P, making modifications to the original profile that I made, giving it a new name, etc.
> > > After examining them under the same light source, I could not see any difference from one print to the next, even though each was printed though a new profile. All on the same paper, all with the same rendering intent, PS handling CM, etc.
> > > With the changes I made, I thought I would see differences and on the last one, I even went so far as to exaggerate the settings. All the prints look identical. I made chages to contrast, brightness, saturation and color, it didn't matter all the prints were identical.
> > > Whats wrong?
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