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> The reply below is to an exchage I had last year with a new ink set.
> In the interm, I have upgraded the computer and PS software and made prints with the same paper/ink/profile combo before the computer change. All was fine. Printing was great with the profile I created. This past week I'm trying a new paper(Canson Platine FR). Printed out a new set of patches(through SP3 SR), read the patches and gave it a distinct name). They look very similar to the ones I made before, so I'm sure they are printed correctly. Then printed the SP3 quad image and looked great but just a tad dark. Made a change through the Advanced Editing(added +15 Brightness) and made another print. That looked perfect. Clicked next and gave the profile a name. It was saved and indicted where it was in the system, so I'm sure that I stepped through the UI correctly.
> Quit the SP3 SR. Opened up an image(I use to check profiles) in CS5. Found the new profile in View>Proof...etc. That verified it was in the correct spot on my system.
> Control P to bring up the print dialog. under printer settings, I pick media,etc and NO COLOR MANAGEMENT.
> On the PS side, document is choosen(RGB)
> Color Handling is PS handles color.
> Printer profile is the one I made and labled with the date I made it(so I know which one to use)
> Rendering is RelCo. BPC is off.
> The resulting print has good color but it is very dark.
> And yes the monitor has been calibrated.
> As I said, prints made with another profile I made with a different paper print as they should.
> Is the print dark because it is over saturated? I wouldn't think that the rendering intent(RelCo instead if Saturation) would cause it to print this dark. When I look at the image in PS and apply the profile to soft proof, the image lightens(as it normally does). Or as Jeff Schewe calls it; "the button that makes my image look like crap"
> What am I doing wrong this time.
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>
> --- In datacolor_group@yahoogroups.com, David Miller <dm2363@> wrote:
> >
> > Keith,
> >
> > The right way to get help with a question like this would have been to create a support ticket on the Datacolor
> > web site and ask the question that way yourself. All of these questions are easily addressed by sending us
> > a copy of the measurement file you're using to create the profile. By looking at the measurement file,
> > we can tell:
> >
> > - Whether or not you've printed the target correctly.
> >
> > - Whether or not you've measured the target print correctly (whether it was actually printed correctly, or not)
> >
> > If you have a properly printed target and you've measured it correctly, then everything will work as expected.
> > The measurement files stay the same and you can build multiple profiles from them (with "flavoring" that you
> > introduce in the Advanced Editing screen controls); the only changes you might ever make to an existing measurement
> > file would be to remeasure one or more of the patches. (You would do this by going to the existing measurement
> > file screen; selecting it in the popup; clicking View/Measure to bring back the Target window for it; and then
> > by clicking on and remeasuring one or more patches). All measurement files are auto-saved after each measurement.
> >
> > If you want to build a profile variation, try something signficant to prove to yourself that it works. If you use
> > small numbers of the sliders (which are "weak"), then your differences in the output may be very subtle.
> >
> > For example, do this test and this will prove that things work right:
> >
> > - Run the software
> >
> > - Step through the UI and get to the "existing measurement files" screen
> >
> > - Select your measurement file
> >
> > - Click Next
> >
> > - Click Advanced Editing
> >
> > - Drag the Brightness slider all the way to the left and say "Done"
> >
> > - Click Next, and save the profile with a specific name (such as "my profile dark")
> >
> > - Click Back; then Advanced Editing; now drag the brightness slider all the way to the right;
> > click Done; click Next; and save another profile as "my profile light"
> >
> > - You've now built two profiles from the same measurement set with hugely different flavoring. One is going
> > to print much darker than normal; the other, much lighter.
> >
> > - Quit Spyder3Print and run Photoshop. In Photoshop: both of those profiles will now appear.
> >
> > - Open one of your images
> >
> > - Print it through the "dark" profile (use the Print dialog scaling to reduce the size so you can overprint
> > both of these onto the same page).
> >
> > - Print it through the "light" profile (shift to a different area on the page and put the same piece of
> > paper back through).
> >
> > - Your two prints, through the two different profiles are going to be very different from each other.
> >
> > Photoshop printing configuration: (this is important)
> >
> > - Your RGB working space should be set to Adobe RGB or sRGB; never to your display profile or a printer profile
> >
> > - Print dialog: color management controls: should be set for Document (not Proof); Photoshop Manages Colors;
> > select the printer profile by name; use the Saturation intent; turn black point compensation off.
> >
> > - Printer driver:
> >
> >
> > > As a follow up, I noticed in another forum someone else was having a problem with creating profiles S3P, using a Epson 4000 and CS4. The person stated that he wrote to the DataColor tech specialist and was informed(via email) that there was an issue with S3P, the 4000 and CS4. I have requested a copy of that email to see what it states.
> >
> > 2nd hand information through other forums isn't necessarily the best way to get info; what you read is only as accurate
> > as what people are posting and what you get from this can be prone to inaccuracy or misunderstanding.
> >
> > That isn't a good way to get answers; you're much better served by going directly to the Datacolor web site and asking
> > the question there, yourself...:-)
> >
> > > While I have a 4800 and also go through CS4, what I see is that since the Epson print driver is turned off, the printer is not an issue and in fact there may be an issue with S3P and CS4, since this is where I see the problem occuring.
> >
> > No, that's not an issue. S3P builds the profiles completely independent of CS4. They're standard printer profiles, and they
> > work in all color managed applications, Adobe products included, of course.
> >
> > As long as you print the target correctly and measure it correctly: you end up with a proper printer profile that will work
> > everywhere. There are no other interactions to consider.
> >
> >
> > > I also did another iteration(today) of the profile I'm trying to alter, and printed it through the S3P software and as in the past it showed the changes I had made.
> >
> > Ok, that's good. But to point out something that you could be missing: you have to click the Next button to go to the
> > next screen (after the SpyderProof-View screen); and then name and save your profile (which, remember, is not a measurement file;
> > and the profile won't show up in S3P's popups, but it will show up in Photoshop's). You should make small changes in the profile
> > names so you can tell them apart. If you keep building into and overwriting the same profile, then (a) yes, Photoshop will use
> > that profile, and (b) that profile will have your adjustments flavored into it, and (c) that profile will produce the same print
> > that you get from testing inside S3P, as long as you have Photoshop's Print dialog set up correctly (as I've described above).
> >
> > Whether you're printing from S3P or Photoshop: you need to have color management in the printer driver turned off the -same way-
> > it was when you printed the target. With Epson printers, this is very straightforward. The only place you can possibly go wrong
> > is with OSX Snow Leopard (10.6 and later), because there are 2 places in the OSX print dialog that you need to set things "right"
> > for color management to be turned off.
> >
> > > Since this was printed in this manner and not through CS4, and the printer driver was turned off, the S3P drivers controlled the printing.
> >
> > That's only partially true. You are controlling the printing by your driver setup. S3P simply sends the image out to the driver
> > with only the printer profile applied to it (as is also the case when Photoshop prints, if you set it up exactly as I've described
> > above).
> >
> > > in other words, the printer and PS drivers were out of the loop.
> >
> > PS drivers out of the loop: yes. Printer out of the loop: no (because you still have your driver setup at the OS level)
> >
> > > Also, in making all these prints of the S3P test image, with all the different iterations I'm creating, I've noticed the info at the bottom left of the print has some data starting with SPTemp(some numbers-different with each print), the rendering intent stays the same but always the same date and time. Shouldn't this change with each new print made?
> > >
> >
> > The date/time probably isn't getting refreshed if you keep looping around between those screens; it would get updated if you went
> > back to the first UI screen or quit and relaunched the app. Small bug which nobody seems to have noticed for years now...:-)
> > but it's cosmetic only and has nothing to do with the profile or how color management is being applied to your test print. (In other
> > words: ignore this)...:-)
> >
> >
> >
> > David Miller
> > Senior Software Developer, Digital Color Solutions
> > Datacolor
> >
>