Datacolor User to User Support Group.

Hi all,

I need help.  I have profiled 2 different papers using PrintFIX PRO; 
Lexjet Pro semimatt and Ilford Gallery Smooth Gloss using 225 patches 
and 729 patches, all read three times (total of 12 readings).  (has 
taken several weeks)  All profiles produce a nice print, except all 
cause a yellow cast with a slight deficiency of red.  My equipment:  
Eizo monitor calibrated with Monaco Optix Pro, PC with XP pro, Epson 
2200  (nozzle checks are good), Image print for comparison, Qimage 
workflow, and direct printing from Photoshop.  With soft proofing in 
PS of a grey scale wedge I note a reduction of red and increased 
yellow when using the profiles I created. (all)  Using the same color 
image printed with generic profiles there is no cast with Image 
Print, Qimage, or direct from PS.  However using the profiles I 
created with PFP there is a persistant yellowing using any of the 
profiles I have created.  My workflow for color images is OK as the 
generic profiles produce prints with good color balance.  Also have 
viewed prints in various lighting conditions, daylight to 
incandescent and an Ott light.  I can get a near neutral print using 
PFP profiles by adding 10 to 15 units of Blue and 4 units of Red in 
PS before printing.  I wonder if the OBs in these 2 papers are 
throwing the spectro off?  I have spent a lot of time working on this 
before posting in hopes I could solve the problem.  But, now I need 
help.

Thanks in advance,
Paul

Hi,
Thanks for your response.  Have fun in Europe.
I will wait for a volunteer.
As a lark to test the OBA theory I calibrated the spectro on the 
Lexmark paper instead of the stand.  It caused the yellow to go away, 
but caused some of the darker grays to posterize to yellows and blues.
Paul

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:
>
> 
> In a message dated 9/23/06 6:47:23 PM, bwinkjet@... writes:
> 
> 
> > However using the profiles I
> > created with PFP there is a persistant yellowing using any of the
> > profiles I have created.  My workflow for color images is OK as 
the
> > generic profiles produce prints with good color balance.  Also 
have
> > viewed prints in various lighting conditions, daylight to
> > incandescent and an Ott light.  I can get a near neutral print 
using
> > PFP profiles by adding 10 to 15 units of Blue and 4 units of Red 
in
> > PS before printing.  I wonder if the OBs in these 2 papers are
> > throwing the spectro off?  I have spent a lot of time working on 
this
> > before posting in hopes I could solve the problem.  But, now I 
need
> > help.
> > 
> 
> Mail a 225 patch target, and a few blank sheets of the same paper, 
to another 
> PFP owner. Have them build a profile from your target print, and 
email it to 
> you. See if it gives the same results as yours. Then they can print 
a target 
> on the same paper, build a profile, and print the test image 
through it, to see 
> if they get a yellow cast. If they don't get a cast on their 
printer, its not 
> the paper. If their profile works for you, the likely variable is 
your 
> DC1005. If their own profile works fine for them, but the one that 
make for you 
> doesn't then its likely somewhere in your system. I'd do this with 
you myself, but 
> I'll be out of the country for the next couple of weeks. If no one 
> volunteers, then contact Customerservice@..., and post a ticket 
with a copy 
> of my instructions above in it, and "attn: Kiran" in the subject 
line, and 

> Kiran will work on this with you.
> 
> C. David Tobie
> Product Technology Manager
> ColorVision Business Division
> DataColor Inc.
> CDTobie@...
> www.colorvision.com
>

Hello Paul and David,

I would volunteer Paul, to do the test, but I am experiencing 
EXACTLY the same thing. I have to do this blue/red offset adjustment 
before printing, otherwise the prints are mainly too yellow.

I was wondering when someone else might report being "afflicted" 
with the same malady. 

So anyway, I too am looking for a volunteer with PFP to send some 
samples to as a comparison. Would be nice to have this resolved 
before Version 2.0 comes out. 

Thanks!

Regards,
Robert

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "bwinkjet" <bwinkjet@...> 
wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Thanks for your response.  Have fun in Europe.
> I will wait for a volunteer.
> As a lark to test the OBA theory I calibrated the spectro on the 
> Lexmark paper instead of the stand.  It caused the yellow to go 
away, 
> but caused some of the darker grays to posterize to yellows and 
blues.
> Paul
> 
> --- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@ wrote:
> >
> > 
> > In a message dated 9/23/06 6:47:23 PM, bwinkjet@ writes:
> > 
> > 
> > > However using the profiles I
> > > created with PFP there is a persistant yellowing using any of 
the
> > > profiles I have created.  My workflow for color images is OK 
as 
> the
> > > generic profiles produce prints with good color balance.  Also 
> have
> > > viewed prints in various lighting conditions, daylight to
> > > incandescent and an Ott light.  I can get a near neutral print 
> using
> > > PFP profiles by adding 10 to 15 units of Blue and 4 units of 
Red 
> in
> > > PS before printing.  I wonder if the OBs in these 2 papers are
> > > throwing the spectro off?  I have spent a lot of time working 
on 
> this
> > > before posting in hopes I could solve the problem.  But, now I 
> need
> > > help.
> > > 
> > 
> > Mail a 225 patch target, and a few blank sheets of the same 
paper, 
> to another 
> > PFP owner. Have them build a profile from your target print, and 
> email it to 
> > you. See if it gives the same results as yours. Then they can 
print 
> a target 
> > on the same paper, build a profile, and print the test image 
> through it, to see 
> > if they get a yellow cast. If they don't get a cast on their 
> printer, its not 
> > the paper. If their profile works for you, the likely variable 
is 
> your 
> > DC1005. If their own profile works fine for them, but the one 
that 
> make for you 
> > doesn't then its likely somewhere in your system. I'd do this 
with 
> you myself, but 
> > I'll be out of the country for the next couple of weeks. If no 
one 

> > volunteers, then contact Customerservice@, and post a ticket 
> with a copy 
> > of my instructions above in it, and "attn: Kiran" in the subject 
> line, and 
> > Kiran will work on this with you.
> > 
> > C. David Tobie
> > Product Technology Manager
> > ColorVision Business Division
> > DataColor Inc.
> > CDTobie@
> > www.colorvision.com
> >
>

Hi Robert,

In one way glad to have company and on the other hand it means there 
may be a more pervasive problem.  I am currently reprinting paper 
targets and rereading in hopes there was an error somewhere in my 
workflow.

Paul

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "aargvork" <compera@...> 
wrote:
>
> Hello Paul and David,
> 
> I would volunteer Paul, to do the test, but I am experiencing 
> EXACTLY the same thing. I have to do this blue/red offset 
adjustment 

> before printing, otherwise the prints are mainly too yellow.
> 
> I was wondering when someone else might report being "afflicted" 
> with the same malady. 
> 
> So anyway, I too am looking for a volunteer with PFP to send some 
> samples to as a comparison. Would be nice to have this resolved 
> before Version 2.0 comes out. 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Regards,
> Robert

I've had the same yellow cast (see
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/colorvision_group/message/1278) and I
ended up adding blue during profile creation to offset it. However, I've
been testing MIS Pro inks in my 2200 lately and I was pleased to see that
this was no longer needed. I see that Paul also uses a 2200, so I'm
wondering if the issue isn't specific to Epson K2 inks and PrintFix Pro. MIS
Pro inks are a generation newer, and similar to K3 inks.

Terry. 

> From: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of bwinkjet
> 
> Hi Robert,
> 
> In one way glad to have company and on the other hand it 
> means there may be a more pervasive problem.  I am currently 
> reprinting paper targets and rereading in hopes there was an 
> error somewhere in my workflow.
> 
> Paul
> 
> --- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "aargvork" <compera@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Paul and David,
> > 
> > I would volunteer Paul, to do the test, but I am 
> experiencing EXACTLY 
> > the same thing. I have to do this blue/red offset
> adjustment 
> > before printing, otherwise the prints are mainly too yellow.
> > 
> > I was wondering when someone else might report being "afflicted" 
> > with the same malady. 
> > 
> > So anyway, I too am looking for a volunteer with PFP to send some 
> > samples to as a comparison. Would be nice to have this 
> resolved before 
> > Version 2.0 comes out.
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Robert

Hi Terry,

I am profiling papers and canvases from Epson 9600s and 7800s and 
the problem is there on both. I've been printing with manufacturer 
supplied profiles over the last few years without problems so I 
don't think it's my workflow, although I will retrace my steps as 
Paul is doing. With other projects needing more attention right now, 
I may not get back to profiling for a couple of weeks. If anything 
shows up then, I will update this post.

Robert

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "Terry Ritz" <t.ritz@...> 
wrote:
>
> I've had the same yellow cast (see
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/colorvision_group/message/1278) 
and I
> ended up adding blue during profile creation to offset it. 
However, I've
> been testing MIS Pro inks in my 2200 lately and I was pleased to 
see that
> this was no longer needed. I see that Paul also uses a 2200, so I'm
> wondering if the issue isn't specific to Epson K2 inks and 
PrintFix Pro. MIS
> Pro inks are a generation newer, and similar to K3 inks.
> 
> Terry. 
> 
> > From: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of bwinkjet
> > 
> > Hi Robert,
> > 
> > In one way glad to have company and on the other hand it 
> > means there may be a more pervasive problem.  I am currently 
> > reprinting paper targets and rereading in hopes there was an 
> > error somewhere in my workflow.
> > 
> > Paul
> > 
> > --- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "aargvork" <compera@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Paul and David,
> > > 
> > > I would volunteer Paul, to do the test, but I am 
> > experiencing EXACTLY 
> > > the same thing. I have to do this blue/red offset
> > adjustment 
> > > before printing, otherwise the prints are mainly too yellow.
> > > 
> > > I was wondering when someone else might report 
being "afflicted" 
> > > with the same malady. 
> > > 
> > > So anyway, I too am looking for a volunteer with PFP to send 
some 

> > > samples to as a comparison. Would be nice to have this 
> > resolved before 
> > > Version 2.0 comes out.
> > > 
> > > Thanks!
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > Robert
>

Terry,

Would you mind if I sent a 225 patch target (or two) for you to read 
and create a profile from just to compare to my own? Again, I may 
not get to this for a week or so. If you agree, please email me off-
line with address info.

Thanks,
Robert

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "Terry Ritz" <t.ritz@...> 
wrote:
>
> I've had the same yellow cast (see
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/colorvision_group/message/1278) 
and I
> ended up adding blue during profile creation to offset it. 
However, I've
> been testing MIS Pro inks in my 2200 lately and I was pleased to 
see that
> this was no longer needed. I see that Paul also uses a 2200, so I'm
> wondering if the issue isn't specific to Epson K2 inks and 
PrintFix Pro. MIS
> Pro inks are a generation newer, and similar to K3 inks.
> 
> Terry. 
> 
> > From: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of bwinkjet
> > 
> > Hi Robert,
> > 
> > In one way glad to have company and on the other hand it 
> > means there may be a more pervasive problem.  I am currently 
> > reprinting paper targets and rereading in hopes there was an 
> > error somewhere in my workflow.
> > 
> > Paul
> > 
> > --- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "aargvork" <compera@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Paul and David,
> > > 
> > > I would volunteer Paul, to do the test, but I am 
> > experiencing EXACTLY 
> > > the same thing. I have to do this blue/red offset
> > adjustment 
> > > before printing, otherwise the prints are mainly too yellow.
> > > 
> > > I was wondering when someone else might report 
being "afflicted" 
> > > with the same malady. 
> > > 
> > > So anyway, I too am looking for a volunteer with PFP to send 
some 

> > > samples to as a comparison. Would be nice to have this 
> > resolved before 
> > > Version 2.0 comes out.
> > > 
> > > Thanks!
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > Robert
>