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Recomendations for optimum room lighting when calibrating moniter

Recomendations for optimum room lighting when calibrating moniter

2007-03-18 by tech4x5

I am designing a new workroom where I will place my computer and 
moniter.  I use Spyder Pro 2.2 to calibrate my moniter and PrintFix Pro 
2.1 for my profiles.  Any suggestions on preferences for overhead 
and/or room lighting which would help in the most reproducible and easy 
calibration.   At this point in time, I could put in pretty much what I 
want.  Flouresecent vs incandescent, color temp, etc.  

Thanks.

Matthew Kraus

Re: Recomendations for optimum room lighting when calibrating moniter

2007-03-19 by pjb74nz

I have set up 2 offices in 2 cities in New Zealand with silver blinds 
to keep out the external light and installed 5000 kelvin temp lights. 
That way I can work day or night without too much variations. It works 
for me and I am get fairly consistent prints. Both offices are also in 
the bottom storey of my 2 houses and the temperature is fairly constant 
since they both have concrete walls. I think that helps with any paper 
problems.

Peter Banks
NZ

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "tech4x5" <mkraus1044@...> 
wrote:
>
> I am designing a new workroom where I will place my computer and 
> moniter.  I use Spyder Pro 2.2 to calibrate my moniter and PrintFix 
Pro 
> 2.1 for my profiles.  Any suggestions on preferences for overhead 
> and/or room lighting which would help in the most reproducible and 
easy 
> calibration.   At this point in time, I could put in pretty much what 
I 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> want.  Flouresecent vs incandescent, color temp, etc.  
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Matthew Kraus
>

Recomendations for optimum room lighting when calibrating moniter

2007-03-19 by CDTobie@aol.com


In a message dated 3/18/07 3:52:05 PM, mkraus1044@... writes:


I am designing a new workroom where I will place my computer and
moniter. I use Spyder Pro 2.2 to calibrate my moniter and PrintFix Pro
2.1 for my profiles. Any suggestions on preferences for overhead
and/or room lighting which would help in the most reproducible and easy
calibration. At this point in time, I could put in pretty much what I
want. Flouresecent vs incandescent, color temp, etc.


The first consideration is consistancy. Yes, daylight is a wonderful thing that makes us happy and healthy; but it is incompatable with serious image editing. You need a room with no window light, or a dead minimum once the blinds/drapes whatever are in place. And the blinds/drapes need to be neutral, they can't be glowing purple or orange!

Next is luminance level. If you are not using a proofing booth, then overall room lighting needs to be correct for the brightness of your monitor. You don't want to be using your monitor at full brightness; so it will remain capable of the same setting over time, and won't burn out prematurely, as well as to obtain a reasonable calibration. So no higher than 175 candelas on the monitor, with something in the 125 to 150 range being the most reasonable choice. Then you can use Spyder2PRO's ambient light feature to measure your room light and tell you if its too much, too little, or about right. Basically, if it seems somewhat dim, that would balance with a bright LCD, is it seems fairly dim, that will match with a moderately bright LCD, and if it seems dim, that would balance with a dim LCD or a bright CRT. If it seems like a cave, then you have managed standard CRT levels. If you are using a proofing light, your ambient can be dimmer, but doesn't have to be. Don't fall into the trap of using a totally dark room and a bright LCD, that will cause glare and percieved contrast increases that will ruin your print to screen match.

Next is ambient light color: something in the 5000k to 6000k range is best. Something resembling full spectrum (CRI of above 90) is best. But your monitor is enough brighter than the room (if you follow the instructions above) so the monitor, not the ambient lighting, will define your eye's whitepoint.

Next would come proofing lights, but its a topic unto itself so I'm leaving it for last, I'll cover room color next. Munsel gray paint gets a lot of airtime; but its TOO DARK for most people's taste Kodak gray card gray, on large wall and ceiling areas is quite opressive!). So get some light gray paint samples from your paint store, use the spot measure function of PrintFIX PRO to measure each sample, and chose the one with the smallest a* and b* values. This will give you a light gray paint for the room. If you want to use a darker gray below the wainscott line (chairrail) then thats good too, and battleship gray floor paint is great for slabs.

But all of this paint colors stuff is ignored by many users. If you ignore it, then at least go to the efforts of hanging a large piece of neutral gray fabric behind your monitor(s) so that there are not bright colors biasing your eye while looking at the monitor. Ditto for the viewing box if you use one.

Guess that brings us to the proofing light issues: get a 5000k proofing light of some type, and set it up; ideally perpendicular to the monitors, not directly beside them. If you proof under room light, then follow these directions using the location where you place prints to view them. Put idential B&W test image prints on both whitened and unwhitened sheets of paper in it (one sheet Entrada Natural, one Entrada Bright, is good). If your box does not offer luminance adjustment, make sure its at least a bit brighter than the room lighting; meaning the paper looks dimmer, not brighter, when you withdraw it from the box. Compare both prints to the same image in Photoshop softproofed to one paper, then the other paper profile (paper white and ink black checked, BPC unchecked).

Which appears brighter; the monitor, or the print? How is the midtone brightness, and the shadow detail. If you have an adjustable box, you can work with that control, if not, you have to adjust the backlights on your LCD until you have the right balance. If you adjust using the monitor backlights, then next you need to recalibrate at your new white luminance level, and define that as your target whitepoint for future calibration as well. If you have another monitor, it gets set to this same white luminance target as well.

Is that complicated enough? If not, you can fuss around with the difference between the whitened paper proof, and the unwhitened one.

As for room lighting to install: you won't need much, so use what you like. In a typical office, I have to loosen three out of four bulbs in the overhead fluorescent fixtures to get lighting down to even a moderate level, the highest level that can be color managed. Consider having two levels of lighting available: general (for vacuuming the floor, finding your glasses, etc...) and color managed (with just the lights needed for appropriately dim ambient lighting).

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision Business Unit
Datacolor Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com



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Re: Recomendations for optimum room lighting when calibrating moniter

2007-03-19 by tech4x5

Thanks for the thoughtful and detailed response.  Just want to 
make sure I understand how to measure the candelas of my moniter.  I 
think I go to tools/coloritmeter and then take a reading.  Am I 
correct that the  CIE xyY is the candela value?  If not how do I find 
it? 

   Mine measures 122.  Does that mean that's as bright as my moniter 
goes?  

   Please remind me how to measure the ambient light?  

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:
>
> 
> In a message dated 3/18/07 3:52:05 PM, mkraus1044@... writes:
> 
> 
> > I am designing a new workroom where I will place my computer and
> > moniter.  I use Spyder Pro 2.2 to calibrate my moniter and 
PrintFix Pro
> > 2.1 for my profiles.  Any suggestions on preferences for overhead
> > and/or room lighting which would help in the most reproducible 
and easy
> > calibration.   At this point in time, I could put in pretty much 
what I
> > want.  Flouresecent vs incandescent, color temp, etc. 
> > 
> 
> The first consideration is consistancy. Yes, daylight is a 
wonderful thing 
> that makes us happy and healthy; but it is incompatable with 
serious image 
> editing. You need a room with no window light, or a dead minimum 
once the 
> blinds/drapes whatever are in place.   And the blinds/drapes need 
to be neutral, they 
> can't be glowing purple or orange!
> 
> Next is luminance level. If you are not using a proofing booth, 
then overall 
> room lighting needs to be correct for the brightness of your 
monitor. You 
> don't want to be using your monitor at full brightness; so it will 
remain capable 
> of the same setting over time, and won't burn out prematurely, as 
well as to 
> obtain a reasonable calibration. So no higher than 175 candelas on 
the monitor, 
> with something in the 125 to 150 range being the most reasonable 
choice. Then 
> you can use Spyder2PRO's ambient light feature to measure your room 
light and 
> tell you if its too much, too little, or about right. Basically, if 
it seems 
> somewhat dim, that would balance with a bright LCD, is it seems 
fairly dim, 
> that will match with a moderately bright LCD, and if it seems dim, 
that would 
> balance with a dim LCD or a bright CRT. If it seems like a cave, 
then you have 
> managed standard CRT levels. If you are using a proofing light, 
your ambient 
> can be dimmer, but doesn't have to be. Don't fall into the trap of 
using a 
> totally dark room and a bright LCD, that will cause glare and 
percieved contrast 
> increases that will ruin your print to screen match.
> 
> Next is ambient light color: something in the 5000k to 6000k range 
is best. 
> Something resembling full spectrum (CRI of above 90) is best. But 
your monitor 
> is enough brighter than the room (if you follow the instructions 
above) so the 
> monitor, not the ambient lighting, will define your eye's 
whitepoint.
> 
> Next would come proofing lights, but its a topic unto itself so I'm 
leaving 
> it for last, I'll cover room color next. Munsel gray paint gets a 
lot of 
> airtime; but its TOO DARK for most people's taste Kodak gray card 
gray, on large 
> wall and ceiling areas is quite opressive!). So get some light gray 
paint samples 
> from your paint store, use the spot measure function of PrintFIX 
PRO to 
> measure each sample, and chose the one with the smallest a* and b* 
values. This 
> will give you a light gray paint for the room. If you want to use a 
darker gray 
> below the wainscott line (chairrail) then thats good too, and 
battleship gray 
> floor paint is great for slabs. 
> 
> But all of this paint colors stuff is ignored by many users. If you 
ignore 
> it, then at least go to the efforts of hanging a large piece of 
neutral gray 
> fabric behind your monitor(s) so that there are not bright colors 
biasing your 
> eye while looking at the monitor. Ditto for the viewing box if you 
use one. 
> 
> Guess that brings us to the proofing light issues: get a 5000k 
proofing light 
> of some type, and set it up; ideally perpendicular to the monitors, 
not 
> directly beside them. If you proof under room light, then follow 
these directions 
> using the location where you place prints to view them. Put 
idential B&W test 
> image prints on both whitened and unwhitened sheets of paper in it 
(one sheet 
> Entrada Natural, one Entrada Bright, is good). If your box does not 
offer 
> luminance adjustment, make sure its at least a bit brighter than 
the room lighting; 
> meaning the paper looks dimmer, not brighter, when you withdraw it 
from the 
> box. Compare both prints to the same image in Photoshop softproofed 
to one 
> paper, then the other paper profile (paper white and ink black 
checked, BPC 
> unchecked). 
> 
> Which appears brighter; the monitor, or the print? How is the 
midtone 
> brightness, and the shadow detail. If you have an adjustable box, 
you can work with 
> that control, if not, you have to adjust the backlights on your LCD 
until you 
> have the right balance. If you adjust using the monitor backlights, 
then next 
> you need to recalibrate at your new white luminance level, and 
define that as 
> your target whitepoint for future calibration as well. If you have 
another 
> monitor, it gets set to this same white luminance target as well.
> 
> Is that complicated enough? If not, you can fuss around with the 
difference 
> between the whitened paper proof, and the unwhitened one. 
> 
> As for room lighting to install: you won't need much, so use what 
you like. 
> In a typical office, I have to loosen three out of four bulbs in 
the overhead 
> fluorescent fixtures to get lighting down to even a moderate level, 
the highest 
> level that can be color managed. Consider having two levels of 
lighting 
> available: general (for vacuuming the floor, finding your glasses, 
etc...) and 
> color managed (with just the lights needed for appropriately dim 
ambient 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> lighting).
> 
> C. David Tobie
> Product Technology Manager
> ColorVision Business Unit
> Datacolor Inc.
> CDTobie@...
> www.colorvision.com
> 
> 
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> email to everyone.  Find out more about what's free from AOL at 
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Re: [colorvision_group] Re: Recomendations for optimum room lighting when calibrating moniter

2007-03-19 by CDTobie@aol.com


In a message dated 3/19/07 2:36:24 PM, mkraus1044@... writes:


Thanks for the thoughtful and detailed response. Just want to
make sure I understand how to measure the candelas of my moniter. I
think I go to tools/coloritmeter and then take a reading. Am I
correct that the CIE xyY is the candela value? If not how do I find
it?


Thats one way to find the current native white luminance...

Mine measures 122. Does that mean that's as bright as my moniter
goes?

If you are using the colorimeter window, and measuring white (255,255,255) that tells you the current native white in little x little y, and the current luminance as well. 122 with the backlight set to max would be correct for some LCDs; for instance, thats all I get on my $7000 Eizo. Newer Cinema Displays are much brighter than this at full backlight, however.

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision Business Division
DataColor Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com



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Re: Recomendations for optimum room lighting when calibrating moniter

2007-03-19 by tech4x5

Thanks again.  Would you please refresh my memory how to meaure the 
ambient room light with the Spyder?  

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:
>
> 
> In a message dated 3/19/07 2:36:24 PM, mkraus1044@... writes:
> 
> 
> >    Thanks for the thoughtful and detailed response.  Just want to
> > make sure I understand how to measure the candelas of my 
moniter.  I
> > think I go to tools/coloritmeter and then take a reading.  Am I
> > correct that the  CIE xyY is the candela value?  If not how do I 
find
> > it?
> > 
> Thats one way to find the current native white luminance...
> > 
> >    Mine measures 122.  Does that mean that's as bright as my 
moniter
> > goes? 
> > 
> If you are using the colorimeter window, and measuring white 
(255,255,255) 
> that tells you the current native white in little x little y, and 
the current 
> luminance as well. 122 with the backlight set to max would be 
correct for some 
> LCDs; for instance, thats all I get on my $7000 Eizo. Newer Cinema 
Displays are 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> much brighter than this at full backlight, however.
> 
> C. David Tobie
> Product Technology Manager
> ColorVision Business Division
> DataColor Inc.
> CDTobie@...
> www.colorvision.com
> 
> 
> 
> **************************************
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>  Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
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Re: [colorvision_group] Re: Recomendations for optimum room lighting when calibrating moniter

2007-03-20 by CDTobie@aol.com


In a message dated 3/19/07 7:27:33 PM, mkraus1044@... writes:


Thanks again. Would you please refresh my memory how to meaure the
ambient room light with the Spyder?


Spyder2PRO v2.2; if you don't have that version yet, then download it from the colorvision website. Once you have it, go through the New Target route, and check the Ambient Light checkbox, and it will run you through the process of measuring your ambient light. If you want to change the ambient, not the monitor settings, then back up, and remeasure the ambient as many times as you like, as you make adjustments to your lighting, drapes, shades etc...

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision Business Unit
Datacolor Inc.
CDTobie@colorvision.com
www.colorvision.com



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