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PFP and Canon inks (CLI-8)

PFP and Canon inks (CLI-8)

2007-03-27 by Andreas Siegert

Hi,
I recently tried to generate profiles with PrintFix Pro for a Canon IP4300
that uses the CLI8 series inks (CLI-8bk, CLI-8c, CLI-8m, CLI-y).
I worked with Hahnem\ufffdhle FineArt Pearl and Tecco PPG250 and tried the HQ
as well as the large patch sets with the extended greys.
The results where fine color and gradations wise. But I always had
greenish/olive cast (at daylight) when printing BW images via the
generated profiles.
Using the black ink alone resulted in a blue cast on Hahnem\ufffdhle and pretty
good black on the Tecco paper which points to the green cast being
introduced by the PFP profile.
Using profiles generated with EyeOne Photo resulted in similar color /
gradation quality but without any casts on BW.

Question: has anyone on the list used PFP to profile a Canon printer that
uses the same inkset and gets decent BW? If yes, with which papers?

thx
afx

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man muss sich heute die gleiche M\ufffdhe geben wie gestern
und morgen noch mehr !
Espresso / Cappuccino is like love.
You need to put in the same effort today as yesterday
and tomorrow even more!

Re: PFP and Canon inks (CLI-8)

2007-03-27 by bwinkjet

Hi,
Yes, a nmber of people.  If you search the messages for "yellow cast" you will see a 
number of posts re the issue.
Paul

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, Andreas Siegert <afx@...> wrote:
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>
> Hi,
> I recently tried to generate profiles with PrintFix Pro for a Canon IP4300
> that uses the CLI8 series inks (CLI-8bk, CLI-8c, CLI-8m, CLI-y).
> I worked with Hahnemühle FineArt Pearl and Tecco PPG250 and tried the HQ
> as well as the large patch sets with the extended greys.
> The results where fine color and gradations wise. But I always had
> greenish/olive cast (at daylight) when printing BW images via the
> generated profiles.
> Using the black ink alone resulted in a blue cast on Hahnemühle and pretty
> good black on the Tecco paper which points to the green cast being
> introduced by the PFP profile.
> Using profiles generated with EyeOne Photo resulted in similar color /
> gradation quality but without any casts on BW.
> 
> Question: has anyone on the list used PFP to profile a Canon printer that
> uses the same inkset and gets decent BW? If yes, with which papers?
> 
> thx
> afx
> 
> -- 
> Espresso / Cappuccino ist wie Liebe,
> man muss sich heute die gleiche Mühe geben wie gestern
> und morgen noch mehr !
> Espresso / Cappuccino is like love.
> You need to put in the same effort today as yesterday
> and tomorrow even more!
>

Re: [colorvision_group] Re: PFP and Canon inks (CLI-8)

2007-03-27 by Andreas Siegert

on 03/27/2007 05:23 PM bwinkjet said the following:
> Hi,
> Yes, a nmber of people.  If you search the messages for "yellow cast" you will see a 
> number of posts re the issue.
Ok, silly question, where do I search. Yahoo feels a bit unfriendly. ;-(

cheers
afx

-- 
Espresso / Cappuccino ist wie Liebe,
man muss sich heute die gleiche M\ufffdhe geben wie gestern
und morgen noch mehr !
Espresso / Cappuccino is like love.
You need to put in the same effort today as yesterday
and tomorrow even more!

Re: [colorvision_group] Re: PFP and Canon inks (CLI-8)

2007-04-04 by CDTobie@aol.com


In a message dated 3/27/07 11:25:17 AM, bwinkjet@... writes:


Yes, a nmber of people. If you search the messages for "yellow cast" you will see a
number of posts re the issue.

If you search an Epson list on the topic of "prints to dark to match the monitor" you'll find hundreds of posts, but they don't all relate to a single issue; people come out of the woodwork with all sorts of unrelated problems when you post a note with a title like that. As for Paul's original post about yellow casts in his PFP output, he was good enough to send us actual prints, and they don't actually have a yellow cast to the eyes of experts at ColorVision. So it opens up a lot of other issues. I once had a client that thought all output was too yellow; it turned out he had cataracts, and when given a variable tone inkset and asked to adjust it to neutral, produced very nice, but very blue, images.

I printed a set of Canon iPF5000 prints yesterday (since some threadmembers state that printer is one of those involved) on a Canon gloss paper (again one of those listed) and will read it and profile it today, and see what the results look like here, compared to the various other media I've run in the past. Previous results on other types of media have been highly neutral, very low metamerism. But I'll admit I don't spend much time working with glossy media... fine art matte and the new fine art gloss media are the ones I focus on.

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision Business Unit
Datacolor Inc.
CDTobie@colorvision.com
www.colorvision.com




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