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PFP and HP B9180

PFP and HP B9180

2007-07-15 by Roger Sopher

My Epson 2200 is getting a bit long in the tooth although I can still
coax good prints from it. I am attracted to either the HP B9180 or the
Canon Pixma Pro 9500 as a replacement. The HP would be nice because of
its easily replaceable heads and larger capacity cartridges. My
questions are - Can PFP produce neutral B&W prints with either of these
printers? Is the lack of a second gray a killer for producing neutral
B&W with PFP? Is metamerism going to be a significant problem?

Roger

Re: [colorvision_group] PFP and HP B9180

2007-07-15 by CDTobie@aol.com


In a message dated 7/15/07 11:44:12 AM, portlyfox@... writes:


Can PFP produce neutral B&W prints with either of these
printers?


PFP doesn't control metamerism, thats the printers job. So printers that lack two grays, and which use color inks to form light grays, have metamerism issues in B&W prints. Simple as that. PrintFIX PRO can help you get better B&W from them, but only for one light source, metamerism will still be an issue. Not so for the Epson 2400 and 3800 printers, however. They produce metamerism-resistant grayscale and tinted prints with PFP profiles.

Is the lack of a second gray a killer for producing neutral
B&W with PFP? Is metamerism going to be a significant problem?

Yup, for any printer that mixes its light grays from color inks, instead of mostly from a light gray ink, that will be an issue for B&W prints. I was supposed to get a Canon PRO9500 in advance of release for testing, but it never materialized, so I can't comment on how it makes its light grays, I can only extrapolate from other models. Any way you cut it, the PRO9500 should improve on the terrible metamerism of the PRO9000, which was so bad that even a color image with lots of neutrals in it was problematic.

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision Business Division
DataColor Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com



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Re: [colorvision_group] PFP and HP B9180

2007-07-15 by Roger Sopher

Looks it might be worth waiting for the next iteration and hope that HP or Canon get it right this time. I\u2019d love a Z3100 but don\u2019t have the space for it or the volume for that matter.

Thaks for your help

Roger


On 7/15/07 11:58 AM, "CDTobie@..." wrote:

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In a message dated 7/15/07 11:44:12 AM, portlyfox@comcast.net writes:


Can PFP produce neutral B&W prints with either of these
printers?

PFP doesn't control metamerism, thats the printers job. So printers that lack two grays, and which use color inks to form light grays, have metamerism issues in B&W prints. Simple as that. PrintFIX PRO can help you get better B&W from them, but only for one light source, metamerism will still be an issue. Not so for the Epson 2400 and 3800 printers, however. They produce metamerism-resistant grayscale and tinted prints with PFP profiles.

Is the lack of a second gray a killer for producing neutral
B&W with PFP? Is metamerism going to be a significant problem?

Yup, for any printer that mixes its light grays from color inks, instead of mostly from a light gray ink, that will be an issue for B&W prints. I was supposed to get a Canon PRO9500 in advance of release for testing, but it never materialized, so I can't comment on how it makes its light grays, I can only extrapolate from other models. Any way you cut it, the PRO9500 should improve on the terrible metamerism of the PRO9000, which was so bad that even a color image with lots of neutrals in it was problematic.

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision Business Division
DataColor Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com



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New monitor question...

2007-07-15 by Ghi Stecyk

Hello. i am looking at maybe purchasing a new monitor, in specific the 
Viewsonic VP2030b LCD.

does anyone have experience with these monitors and do they calibrate 
well with the Spyder 2 Pro? i'm going to be using it for DCC and 
printed output to an Epson 7600.

thanks

ghi

Re: [colorvision_group] PFP and HP B9180

2007-07-16 by CDTobie@aol.com

In a message dated 7/15/07 2:13:56 PM, portlyfox@... writes:


> Looks it might be worth waiting for the next iteration and hope that HP or 
> Canon get it right this time.
> 

Or purchase the Epsons or Canons that get it right already. If you don't have 
space for a Z3100, you won't have space for a Canon iPF5000 either, but that 
leaves plenty of room for an Epson 3800 (same print size as the iPF5000 in 
half the footprint, but no roll printing) or the Epson 2400 (smaller still, but I 
wouldn't buy one now that the 3800 is available). The "next iteration" I'd be 
waiting for at this point would be the new Epsons; they are due a lot sooner 
than   new models from the competition, since HP and Canon are still early in 
their cycle, and Epson is late in theirs (except for the 3800).

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision Business Unit
Datacolor Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com


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Re: [colorvision_group] New monitor question...

2007-07-16 by CDTobie@aol.com

In a message dated 7/15/07 2:45:59 PM, ghiangelo@... writes:


> Hello. i am looking at maybe purchasing a new monitor, in specific the
> Viewsonic VP2030b LCD.
> 
> does anyone have experience with these monitors and do they calibrate
> well with the Spyder 2 Pro?
> 

The Viewsonic LCDs have always been solidly in the base tier of monitors that 
are calibratable, but less expensive than graphics monitors. Don't confuse it 
with an Eizo, or even a Cinema Display, but definately choose it over most 
consumer brands. We used to use Viewsonic LCDs in ColorVision show booths, to 
illustrate that you could calibrate affordable monitors. 

Of course, LCDs are a lot more affordable these days then they were back 
then, so you could stretch to a Cinema Display, or at least a Sony, for a lot less 
than it used to cost. I can recall when the cutoff was $500 for a 17 inch LCD 
worth calibrating (basicly, the Viewsonic of that day); here you are 
referring to a   20 inch screen thats less than that, and which will calibrate quite 
reasonably.

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision Business Unit
Datacolor Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com


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Re: [colorvision_group] New monitor question...

2007-07-17 by Ghi Stecyk

Thanks for the info! much appreciated.

ghi
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On 16-Jul-07, at 6:34 AM, CDTobie@... wrote:

>
>  In a message dated 7/15/07 2:45:59 PM, ghiangelo@shaw.ca writes:
>
>
> Hello. i am looking at maybe purchasing a new monitor, in specific the
>  Viewsonic VP2030b LCD.
>
>  does anyone have experience with these monitors and do they calibrate
>  well with the Spyder 2 Pro?
>
>
>  The Viewsonic LCDs have always been solidly in the base tier of 
> monitors that are calibratable, but less expensive than graphics 
> monitors. Don't confuse it with an Eizo, or even a Cinema Display, but 
> definately choose it over most consumer brands. We used to use 
> Viewsonic LCDs in ColorVision show booths, to illustrate that you 
> could calibrate affordable monitors.
>
>  Of course, LCDs are a lot more affordable these days then they were 
> back then, so you could stretch to a Cinema Display, or at least a 
> Sony, for a lot less than it used to cost. I can recall when the 
> cutoff was $500 for a 17 inch LCD worth calibrating (basicly, the 
> Viewsonic of that day); here you are referring to a  20 inch screen 
> thats less than that, and which will calibrate quite reasonably.
>
> C. David Tobie
>  Product Technology Manager
>  ColorVision Business Unit
>  Datacolor Inc.
>  CDTobie@...
>  www.colorvision.com
>
>
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