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Exact behavior of Colorvisionstartup (Spyder2 Pro)

Exact behavior of Colorvisionstartup (Spyder2 Pro)

2008-09-18 by sandor_px

Hi,

Colorvisionstartup.exe is ColorVision's application which loads the
calibration profile into the video card. What I am unsure is if I
really need it.

If I use Photoshop, there are 3 states:

1. No ICC profile assigned to the display: this is clear, I'm working
on an uncalibrated monitor. Photoshop and Windows built in image
viewer (which does not understand profiles) displays a given image the
same way.

2. ICC profile is assigned to the display, but colorvisionstartup.exe
is not started: Photoshop interprets the assigned profile, and
displays the images according to it.
Photoshop and Windows built in image viewer displays a given image
differently.

3. ICC profile is assigned to the display, and colorvisionstartup.exe
is started: There is a visible difference on the whole screen when
this app starts. PS and Windows built in image viewer are still
different to each other, but they also display images differently than
in case #2. It's like in this case, the profile is applied "two times".

So my question is: do I need this program at all or PS can manage the
assigned profiles alone. In the latter case: what is this application
is for?

Sandor

Re: [colorvision_group] Exact behavior of Colorvisionstartup (Spyder2 Pro)

2008-09-18 by CDTobie@aol.com


>Colorvisionstartup.exe is ColorVision's application which loads the
calibration profile into the video card. What I am unsure is if I
really need it.

You say .exe, so I will have to assume Windows. And you say ColorVisionStartup, 
so I will have to assume Spyder2. If you do not have the Startup active under
Windows, then the profile VLUT data will not get loaded, and your calibration
will not be correct. On the Mac this is less critical, as the OS loads the VLUTs.
>If I use Photoshop, there are 3 states:

>1. No ICC profile assigned to the display: this is clear, I'm working
on an uncalibrated monitor.
Photoshop will utilize an ICC profile for your display, even if it has to assume sRGB.
There is no way to really turn this off; only to bust it, by having no profiles, not even sRGB. 
You need a custom profile and its LUTs for best results.

>Photoshop and Windows built in image
viewer (which does not understand profiles) displays a given image the
same way.
Thats because they are both assuming sRGB at that point... but you are not considering
the LUTs, which get used for both color managed apps like Photoshop, and noncolor managed
ones like the Windows Image Viewer.

>2. ICC profile is assigned to the display, but colorvisionstartup.exe
is not started: Photoshop interprets the assigned pr
ofile, and
displays the images according to it.
And shows the wrong results because the video corrections have not been loaded
at startup. Wrong result, even with the right profile...
>Photoshop and Windows built in image viewer displays a given image
differently.
But both incorrect...

>3. ICC profile is assigned to the display, and colorvisionstartup.exe
is started: There is a visible difference on the whole screen when
this app starts.

Because the VLUTs have been loaded. So now Photoshop, or any CM app, will
show correct color, which they would not, in "2" above...

>PS and Windows built in image viewer are still
different to each other, but they also display images differently than
in case #2. It's like in this case, the profile is applied "two times".

See explanation above... you are only considering the profile, not the video
corrections...

>>So my question is: do I need this program at all or PS can manage the
assigned profiles alone. In the latter case: what is this application
is for?

To do a number of things, like warn when your display calibration is outdated,
but most critically to load the VLUTs on startup, which is central to color management.

I feel its necessary to comment here on the "under the hood" mentality, more common on Windows,
where users want to pull shiny parts out from under the hood=2
0and throw them away, to make 
the car lighter, so it
will go zero to sixty a fraction faster. Newer cars, and newer software, is more complex, and
do not do well with such tinkering. For instance, our Spyder2 Startup item has been replaced
with a full time utility with Spyder3, that has a long list of important tasks. But as soon as
Spyder3 was released, the tinkerers immediately began emailing me and asking if they could 
just throw it away. The answer, in a word, is NO... 


C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision, Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com


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Subject: [colorvision_group] Exact behavior of Colorvisionstartup (Spyder2 Pro)

Hi,

Colorvisionstartup.exe is ColorVision's application which loads the
calibration profile into the video card. What I am unsure is if I
really need it.

If I use Photoshop, there are 3 states:

1. No ICC profile assigned to the display: this is clear, I'm working
on an uncalibrated monitor. Photoshop and Windows built in image
viewer (which does not understand profiles) displays a given image the
same 
way.

2. ICC profile is assigned to the display, but colorvisionstartup.exe
is not started: Photoshop interprets the assigned profile, and
displays the images according to it.
Photoshop and Windows built in image viewer displays a given image
differently.

3. ICC profile is assigned to the display, and colorvisionstartup.exe
is started: There is a visible difference on the whole screen when
this app starts. PS and Windows built in image viewer are still
different to each other, but they also display images differently than
in case #2. It's like in this case, the profile is applied "two times".

So my question is: do I need this program at all or PS can manage the
assigned profiles alone. In the latter case: what is this application
is for?

Sandor


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Re: Exact behavior of Colorvisionstartup (Spyder2 Pro)

2008-09-19 by sandor_px

Hi David,

Thank you for the quick response. 
Yes, it's Windows and Spyder2 Pro.

The reason I asked is not really performance. Visually, images "looked
the best" or "how they were meant to be" in PS with #2 setup. It's
really subjective, but it made me unsure.

Thanks for the clarification!

Sandor

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:
>
> 
> 
> 
> >Colorvisionstartup.exe is ColorVision's application which loads the
> calibration profile into the video card. What I am unsure is if I
> really need it.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> You say .exe, so I will have to assume Windows. And you say
ColorVisionStartup, 
> 
> so I will have to assume Spyder2. If you do not have the Startup
active under
> 
> Windows, then the profile VLUT data will not get loaded, and your
calibration
> 
> will not be correct. On the Mac this is less critical, as the OS
loads the VLUTs.
> 
> 
> >If I use Photoshop, there are 3 states:
> 
> >1. No ICC profile assigned to the display: this is clear, I'm working
> on an uncalibrated monitor.
> 
> Photoshop will utilize an ICC profile for your display, even if it
has to assume sRGB.
> 
> There is no way to really turn this off; only to bust it, by having
no profiles, not even sRGB. 
> 
> You need a custom profile and its LUTs for best results.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >Photoshop and Windows built in image
> viewer (which does not understand profiles) displays a given image the
> same way.
> 
> Thats because they are both assuming sRGB at that point... but you
are not considering
> 
> the LUTs, which get used for both color managed apps like Photoshop,
and noncolor managed
> 
> ones like the Windows Image Viewer.
> 
> 
> 
> >2. ICC profile is assigned to the display, but colorvisionstartup.exe
> is not started: Photoshop interprets the assigned profile, and
> displays the images according to it.
> 
> And shows the wrong results because the video corrections have not
been loaded
> 
> at startup. Wrong 
> result, even with the right profile...
> 
> 
> >Photoshop and Windows built in image viewer displays a given image
> differently.
> 
> But both incorrect...
> 
> >3. ICC profile is assigned to the display, and colorvisionstartup.exe
> is started: There is a visible difference on the whole screen when
> this app starts.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Because the VLUTs have been loaded. So now Photoshop, or any CM app,
will
> 
> show correct color, which they would not, in "2" above...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >PS and Windows built in image viewer are still
> 
> different to each other, but they also display images differently than
> in case #2. It's like in this case, the profile is applied "two times".
> 
> 
> 
> 
> See explanation above... you are only considering the profile, not
the video
> 
> corrections...
> 
> >>So my question is: do I need this program at all or PS can manage the
> assigned profiles alone. In the latter case: what is this application
> is for?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To do a number of things, like warn when your display calibration is
outdated,
> 
> but most critically to load the VLUTs on startup, which is central
to color management.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I feel its necessary to comment here on the "under the hood"
mentality, more common on Windows,
> 
> where users want to pull shiny parts out from under the hood and
throw them away, to make 
> 
> the car lighter, so it
> 
> will go zero to sixty a fraction faster. Newer cars, and newer
software, is more complex, and
> 
> do not do well with such tinkering. For instance, our Spyder2
Startup item has been replaced
> 
> with a full 
> time utility with Spyder3, that has a long list of important tasks.
But as soon as
> 
> Spyder3 was released, the tinkerers immediately began emailing me
and asking if they could 
> 
> just throw it away. The answer, in a word, is NO... <G>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> C. David Tobie
> Product Technology Manager
> ColorVision, Inc.
> CDTobie@...
> www.colorvision.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sandor_px <ppsandor@...>
> To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 3:10 am
> Subject: [colorvision_group] Exact behavior of Colorvisionstartup
(Spyder2 Pro)
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Colorvisionstartup.exe is ColorVision's application which loads the
> calibration profile into the video card. What I am unsure is if I
> really need it.
> 
> If I use Photoshop, there are 3 states:
> 
> 1. No ICC profile assigned to the display: this is clear, I'm working
> on an uncalibrated monitor. Photoshop and Windows built in image
> viewer (which does not understand profiles) displays a given image the
> same way.
> 
> 2. ICC profile is assigned to the display, but colorvisionstartup.exe
> is not started: Photoshop interprets the assigned profile, and
> displays the images according to it.
> Photoshop and Windows built in image viewer displays a given image
> differently.
> 
> 3. ICC profile is assigned to the display, and colorvisionstartup.exe
> is started: There is a visible difference on the whole screen when
> this app starts. PS and Windows built in image viewer are still
> different to each other, but they also display images differently than
> in case #2. It's like in this case, th
> e profile is applied "two times".
> 
> So my question is: do I need this program at all or PS can manage the
> assigned profiles alone. In the latter case: what is this application
> is for?
> 
> Sandor
> 
> 
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