Datacolor User to User Support Group.

I just received an EIZO CG222W monitor to replace a CRT that died on 
my system.  The documentation with it indicated that I needed 
to "unistall any measurement driver that may be installed on the PC" 
before installing the EIZO ColorNavigator.  Just what does this mean?

I have a dual monitor setup which includes the new EIZO and a Dell 
LCD monitor as the second monitor.  I have the Spyder3 package 
installed and used it in the past to calibrate both the CRT and the 
Dell LCD )as much as it can be profiled).  I crearted profiles for 
each and used the MS Color Management Applet (WinColor) to load the 
different profiles for each.  I have a dual headed NVidia FX3400 
graphics card.

With the new setup:

1. Do I keep the Spyder3 code installed?
2. Can I use it to profile the Dell LCD but let the EIZO 
ColorNavigator handle the EIZO monitor?
3. Should I remove the MS applet - it now appears totally confused as 
to what is actually installed as far as monitors?
4. Any other things I need to know about this environment?

I like the new monitor and I like the Spyder3 packages. I would like 
to make sure I am using them together in the correct manner.

Thanks,
Rollin

I'd suggest using the Eizo software once, with your Spyder, to set  
your desired gamma and whitepoint internally in the display. Then you  
can run the Spyder software on both displays from then on, as you  
previously did.

C. D. Tobie
WW Product Technology Mngr.
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
DataColor.com
CDTobie@...

On Oct 28, 2008, at 4:58 PM, "Rollin" <rhill3@...> wrote:

> I just received an EIZO CG222W monitor to replace a CRT that died on
> my system.  The documentation with it indicated that I needed
> to "unistall any measurement driver that may be installed on the PC"
> before installing the EIZO ColorNavigator.  Just what does this mean?
>
> I have a dual monitor setup which includes the new EIZO and a Dell
> LCD monitor as the second monitor.  I have the Spyder3 package
> installed and used it in the past to calibrate both the CRT and the
> Dell LCD )as much as it can be profiled).  I crearted profiles for
> each and used the MS Color Management Applet (WinColor) to load the
> different profiles for each.  I have a dual headed NVidia FX3400
> graphics card.
>
> With the new setup:
>
> 1. Do I keep the Spyder3 code installed?
> 2. Can I use it to profile the Dell LCD but let the EIZO
> ColorNavigator handle the EIZO monitor?
> 3. Should I remove the MS applet - it now appears totally confused as
> to what is actually installed as far as monitors?
> 4. Any other things I need to know about this environment?
>
> I like the new monitor and I like the Spyder3 packages. I would like
> to make sure I am using them together in the correct manner.
>
> Thanks,
> Rollin
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

At the risk of sounding totally (not just partially) dumb, exactly 
how does one go about setting the EIZO disply manually while using 
the Spyder3 to build a profile?  I have run the EIZO ColorNavigator 
to set the desired gamma (2.2) and whitepoint (6500K) but the monitor 
looks to be on the cool side (slightly).  I have opened some images 
of prints that I made and have looked at them under a color corrected 
light source vs. the image on the montior (using the paper profiles 
from Spyder3Print) and the prints are slightly warmer.

I am guessing the I would have to open the EIZO ColorNavigator and 
use the Manaual Adjustment option which will let me set the 
brightness, black level, gamma and 6 colors (RGBCMY) while also 
running the Spyder3 Elite software to create a profile.  I would 
think the EIZO software will be making a hardware adjustment away 
from the basic 2.2/6500 setup and the Spyder software will be trying 
to build a profile that gets loaded to the video card to also make 
adjustments.  

Before I start playing around, I thought I would ask if anyone has an 
EIZO (mine is the CG222W) and has done this type of adjustments?  
Also, if you have, what controls did you identify to the Spyder 
software for the monitor?

Thanks,
Rollin

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, Cdtobie <CDTobie@...> wrote:
>
> I'd suggest using the Eizo software once, with your Spyder, to set  
> your desired gamma and whitepoint internally in the display. Then 
you  
> can run the Spyder software on both displays from then on, as you  
> previously did.
> 
> C. D. Tobie
> WW Product Technology Mngr.
> Digital Imaging & Home Theater
> DataColor.com
> CDTobie@...
> 
> On Oct 28, 2008, at 4:58 PM, "Rollin" <rhill3@...> wrote:
> 
> > I just received an EIZO CG222W monitor to replace a CRT that died 
on
> > my system.  The documentation with it indicated that I needed
> > to "unistall any measurement driver that may be installed on the 
PC"
> > before installing the EIZO ColorNavigator.  Just what does this 
mean?
> >
> > I have a dual monitor setup which includes the new EIZO and a Dell
> > LCD monitor as the second monitor.  I have the Spyder3 package
> > installed and used it in the past to calibrate both the CRT and 
the
> > Dell LCD )as much as it can be profiled).  I crearted profiles for
> > each and used the MS Color Management Applet (WinColor) to load 
the
> > different profiles for each.  I have a dual headed NVidia FX3400
> > graphics card.
> >
> > With the new setup:
> >
> > 1. Do I keep the Spyder3 code installed?
> > 2. Can I use it to profile the Dell LCD but let the EIZO
> > ColorNavigator handle the EIZO monitor?
> > 3. Should I remove the MS applet - it now appears totally 
confused as
> > to what is actually installed as far as monitors?
> > 4. Any other things I need to know about this environment?
> >
> > I like the new monitor and I like the Spyder3 packages. I would 
like

> > to make sure I am using them together in the correct manner.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Rollin

Run ColorNavigator, choose your appropriate gamma and whitepoint, with  
the Spyder. Then, once those have been set in the internal board as  
"custom" leave it at custom and use the Spyder with the Datacolor  
software to build your display profiles there after if you prefer;  
that's what I do, and of works very well.

C. D. Tobie
WW Product Technology Mngr.
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
DataColor.com
CDTobie@...

On Nov 21, 2008, at 4:05 PM, "Rollin" <rhill3@...> wrote:

> At the risk of sounding totally (not just partially) dumb, exactly
> how does one go about setting the EIZO disply manually while using
> the Spyder3 to build a profile?  I have run the EIZO ColorNavigator
> to set the desired gamma (2.2) and whitepoint (6500K) but the monitor
> looks to be on the cool side (slightly).  I have opened some images
> of prints that I made and have looked at them under a color corrected
> light source vs. the image on the montior (using the paper profiles
> from Spyder3Print) and the prints are slightly warmer.
>
> I am guessing the I would have to open the EIZO ColorNavigator and
> use the Manaual Adjustment option which will let me set the
> brightness, black level, gamma and 6 colors (RGBCMY) while also
> running the Spyder3 Elite software to create a profile.  I would
> think the EIZO software will be making a hardware adjustment away
> from the basic 2.2/6500 setup and the Spyder software will be trying
> to build a profile that gets loaded to the video card to also make
> adjustments.
>
> Before I start playing around, I thought I would ask if anyone has an
> EIZO (mine is the CG222W) and has done this type of adjustments?
> Also, if you have, what controls did you identify to the Spyder
> software for the monitor?
>
> Thanks,
> Rollin
>
> --- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, Cdtobie <CDTobie@...> wrote:
>>
>> I'd suggest using the Eizo software once, with your Spyder, to set
>> your desired gamma and whitepoint internally in the display. Then
> you
>> can run the Spyder software on both displays from then on, as you
>> previously did.
>>
>> C. D. Tobie
>> WW Product Technology Mngr.
>> Digital Imaging & Home Theater
>> DataColor.com
>> CDTobie@...
>>
>> On Oct 28, 2008, at 4:58 PM, "Rollin" <rhill3@...> wrote:
>>
>>> I just received an EIZO CG222W monitor to replace a CRT that died
> on
>>> my system.  The documentation with it indicated that I needed
>>> to "unistall any measurement driver that may be installed on the
> PC"
>>> before installing the EIZO ColorNavigator.  Just what does this
> mean?
>>>
>>> I have a dual monitor setup which includes the new EIZO and a Dell
>>> LCD monitor as the second monitor.  I have the Spyder3 package
>>> installed and used it in the past to calibrate both the CRT and
> the
>>> Dell LCD )as much as it can be profiled).  I crearted profiles for
>>> each and used the MS Color Management Applet (WinColor) to load
> the
>>> different profiles for each.  I have a dual headed NVidia FX3400
>>> graphics card.
>>>
>>> With the new setup:
>>>
>>> 1. Do I keep the Spyder3 code installed?
>>> 2. Can I use it to profile the Dell LCD but let the EIZO
>>> ColorNavigator handle the EIZO monitor?
>>> 3. Should I remove the MS applet - it now appears totally
> confused as
>>> to what is actually installed as far as monitors?
>>> 4. Any other things I need to know about this environment?
>>>
>>> I like the new monitor and I like the Spyder3 packages. I would
> like
>>> to make sure I am using them together in the correct manner.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Rollin
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Perhaps I am misunderstanding what you mean or am not doing it 
correctly as my monitor still has a definite blue cast.  Here is what 
I have done:

1. Run the EIZO ColorNavigator to set the monitor to 6500K, 2.2 gamma 
brightness = 80cd/m2.  Once it has run, I save to result and then 
exit.

2. I run Spyder3Elite for 6500K, 2.2 gamma.  When it takes the 
initial measurements, it shows that the color is 6877K with a gamma 
of 2.2 and brightness of 77.8 cd/m2.  

3. I tried the tools->colorimeter under Spyder3Elite and it showed 
the color temp as 6876K.

This is the point at which confusion sets in.  I need to get the 
monitor set at 6500K.  Basically as far as I can tell, I would have 
to use the Eizo ColorNavigator to make changes to R,G,B values if I 
wanted to try to use the Spyder utility to build a profile for the 
video card.

I am running under Win XP and have disabled WinColor (the color 
control applet).  I have dual monitors off one video card.  I do know 
that I am setting/measuring the correct monitor under both software 
tools.

I know I must be missing something or doing something wrong.  Any 
help would be appreciated.

Rollin

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, Cdtobie <CDTobie@...> wrote:
>
> Run ColorNavigator, choose your appropriate gamma and whitepoint, 
with  
> the Spyder. Then, once those have been set in the internal board 
as  
> "custom" leave it at custom and use the Spyder with the Datacolor  
> software to build your display profiles there after if you prefer;  
> that's what I do, and of works very well.
> 
> C. D. Tobie
> WW Product Technology Mngr.
> Digital Imaging & Home Theater
> DataColor.com
> CDTobie@...
> 
> On Nov 21, 2008, at 4:05 PM, "Rollin" <rhill3@...> wrote:
> 
> > At the risk of sounding totally (not just partially) dumb, exactly
> > how does one go about setting the EIZO disply manually while using
> > the Spyder3 to build a profile?  I have run the EIZO 
ColorNavigator
> > to set the desired gamma (2.2) and whitepoint (6500K) but the 
monitor
> > looks to be on the cool side (slightly).  I have opened some 
images
> > of prints that I made and have looked at them under a color 
corrected
> > light source vs. the image on the montior (using the paper 
profiles
> > from Spyder3Print) and the prints are slightly warmer.
> >
> > I am guessing the I would have to open the EIZO ColorNavigator and
> > use the Manaual Adjustment option which will let me set the
> > brightness, black level, gamma and 6 colors (RGBCMY) while also
> > running the Spyder3 Elite software to create a profile.  I would
> > think the EIZO software will be making a hardware adjustment away
> > from the basic 2.2/6500 setup and the Spyder software will be 
trying
> > to build a profile that gets loaded to the video card to also make
> > adjustments.
> >
> > Before I start playing around, I thought I would ask if anyone 
has an

> > EIZO (mine is the CG222W) and has done this type of adjustments?
> > Also, if you have, what controls did you identify to the Spyder
> > software for the monitor?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Rollin

I have added my reponses to your questions in the appended text 
below.  I asked Eizo support and their reply was that I would have to 
unistall both Colornavigator and Sypder3 software, reinstall only the 
ColorNavigator and use it.  They claim that having the Syder3 
software installed is causing a problem.  They are also suggesting 
that I may have to only have one monitor installed while setting the 
Eizo monitor.  I will try this and post my results.  Worst case, I 
guess, is I have to buy and additional graphics card and run one 
monitor per card.

I must say this is turning into a real hassle.  When I had a CRT and 
a cheap LCD, I did fine with the Spyder package.  Now that the CRT is 
gone and I replaced it with a very good LCD capable of color managed 
work, things have definitely gotten complicated.  Oh well, it keeps 
me from getting bored.

Rollin

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, cdtobie <CDTobie@...> wrote:
> On Nov 25, 2008, at 1:57:57 PM, Rollin <rhill3@...> wrote:
> 
> Perhaps I am misunderstanding what you mean or am not doing it 
> correctly as my monitor still has a definite blue cast.  Here is 
what 
> I have done:
> 
> 1. Run the EIZO ColorNavigator to set the monitor to 6500K, 2.2 
gamma 
> brightness = 80cd/m2.  Once it has run, I save to result and then 
> exit.
> ___
> Does it look cool already at this point? 

Response: Yes.  My desktop displays a photograph which has a netral 
gray border around it.  The photo looks cool and the gray is 
definitely on the blue side.
 
> 2. I run Spyder3Elite for 6500K, 2.2 gamma.  When it takes the 
> initial measurements, it shows that the color is 6877K with a gamma 
> of 2.2 and brightness of 77.8 cd/m2. 
> ____
> Not usually necessary to define the whitepoint again; you could try 
calibrating to Native Whitepoint in the Spyder software...
>  
> 
> 3. I tried the tools->colorimeter under Spyder3Elite and it showed 
> the color temp as 6876K.
> 
> Well, its being consistant. I suppose you could target 6200 in the 
Spyder software and see if that gives you something closer to 6500k 
as a result...

Response: This would require that I change RGB settings to achieve a 
profile.  The problem is that I would need to use the ColorNavigator 
software to make the changes.  I wonder if I can have it and the 
Sypder3 sofware running at the same time and if any changes in the 
Nav would be reflected immediatly to the monitor LUT.

> 
> This is the point at which confusion sets in.  I need to get the 
> monitor set at 6500K.  Basically as far as I can tell, I would have 
> to use the Eizo ColorNavigator to make changes to R,G,B values if I 
> wanted to try to use the Spyder utility to build a profile for the 
> video card.
> 
> I am running under Win XP and have disabled WinColor (the color 
> control applet).  I have dual monitors off one video card.  I do 
know 
> that I am setting/measuring the correct monitor under both software 
> tools.
> 
> It would be worth testing: disconnect the second display, and see 
if anything changes with recalibration of the Eizo...

> --
> C. David Tobie
> WW Product Technology Manager
> Digital Imaging & Home Theater
> Datacolor
> CDTobie@...
> www.datacolor.com/spyder3
>

A followup to my previous posts.  Basically what the Eizo support 
people are telling me is that I have to uninstall both the Spyder3Elite 
and the Eizo software and then reinstall the Eizo ColorNavigator but 
not the Spyder3 package.  The reasoning is that there is a conflict 
between the device drivers for the Spyder3 Colorimeter.

I have done it and, to the naked eye, I think the Eizo monitor is now 
OK or at least better.  Of course, I have nothing to check with other 
than their software which says the monitor is calibrated.  I will need 
to do some soft proofing/printing to see if this is true.

Without the Spyder3 package installed, I cannot now generate a profile 
for the second monitor which is not an Eizo but that is minor as I use 
it to park my Photoshop tool pallets, etc. and not the image I am 
working on.  Besides, it is a basic LCD with limited options for color 
management.

Rollin

That is what Eizo would tell you, but not your only option. I run both  
packages with no conflicts, and calibrate both displays. Besides, once  
you have set the Eizo's internal custom gamma and whitepoint once, you  
don't need Color Navigator loaded any longer, and can control both  
displays with the Spyder software if you need both displays calibrated.

C. D. Tobie
WW Product Technology Mngr.
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
DataColor.com
CDTobie@...

On Dec 3, 2008, at 7:53 PM, "Rollin" <rhill3@...> wrote:

> A followup to my previous posts.  Basically what the Eizo support
> people are telling me is that I have to uninstall both the  
> Spyder3Elite
> and the Eizo software and then reinstall the Eizo ColorNavigator but
> not the Spyder3 package.  The reasoning is that there is a conflict
> between the device drivers for the Spyder3 Colorimeter.
>
> I have done it and, to the naked eye, I think the Eizo monitor is now
> OK or at least better.  Of course, I have nothing to check with other
> than their software which says the monitor is calibrated.  I will need
> to do some soft proofing/printing to see if this is true.
>
> Without the Spyder3 package installed, I cannot now generate a profile
> for the second monitor which is not an Eizo but that is minor as I use
> it to park my Photoshop tool pallets, etc. and not the image I am
> working on.  Besides, it is a basic LCD with limited options for color
> management.
>
> Rollin
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

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