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Hi
found this great group...and have already a problem and question - and hope for help.
I "upraded" to a dual monitor system with a new graphic card and an additional monitor. I managed to calibrate the 2 monitors with spyder 2. it works, but unfortunately my images on the 2 monitors look very very different. One which I hope i can trust, my old Dell 2007 looks very "pale", warm and dark compared to my new monitor the HP LP24sw that is brighter, colder and extremly saturated.
what can I do? which one to trust?
I am a bit lost, since I hoped for an improvement with 2 monitors and now I have none to trust anymore :(
Would appreciate some help.
Phil

First, how do you know that it actually worked? It could be that the  
same profile, or the same VLUTs are being applied to both displays.  
You also don't note if you are matching the brightness levels of the  
two displays. Nor what OS and card are involved.

The absolute best bet is Spyder3 with a PCI Expeess video card from  
any company other than nVidia ( the only comiany who has managed to  
mess up PCI Expess). The cheapest fix for you would be to purchase a  
low cost second video card, rather than mess with other, more  
expensive, upgrades.

C. D. Tobie
Global Product Technology Mngr.
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
Datacolor.com
CDTobie@...

On May 22, 2009, at 6:33 PM, "philllie1" <pkleister@...> wrote:

> Hi
> found this great group...and have already a problem and question -  
> and hope for help.
> I "upraded" to a dual monitor system with a new graphic card and an  
> additional monitor. I managed to calibrate the 2 monitors with  
> spyder 2. it works, but unfortunately my images on the 2 monitors  
> look very very different. One which I hope i can trust, my old Dell  
> 2007 looks very "pale", warm and dark compared to my new monitor the  
> HP LP24sw that is brighter, colder and extremly saturated.
> what can I do? which one to trust?
> I am a bit lost, since I hoped for an improvement with 2 monitors  
> and now I have none to trust anymore :(
> Would appreciate some help.
> Phil
>
>
>
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>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
>

Hi and thanks a lot for the helpful reply.
try to answer some questions nevertheless.

I assume that the correct profiles are loaded since I installed the Microsoft Color Control Panel Applet for Windows and it shows the 2 correct profiles.

my os is win xp, sp2

since brightness and especially saturation is so different I did not adjust so far since they are so different and I dont know which one to trust

On May 24, 2009, at 11:01 AM, philllie1 wrote:

> Hi and thanks a lot for the helpful reply.
> try to answer some questions nevertheless.
>
> I assume that the correct profiles are loaded since I installed the  
> Microsoft Color Control Panel Applet for Windows and it shows the 2  
> correct profiles.

This applet works for some people (some configurations, actually) and  
not for others... But keep in mind that you do not have two correctly  
calibrated displays unless each is having the correct profile assigned  
to it, and the correct video corrections flashed to it at startup.  
Either one of these steps could be an issue.
>
> my os is win xp, sp2
>
> since brightness and especially saturation is so different I did not  
> adjust so far since they are so different and I dont know which one  
> to trust

Unless you are setting both displays to the same brightness (white  
luminance in geek terms) then there is no way that either the  
brightness or the saturation on them will match. If you use Measured  
Mode, and set the white luminance value to a number both displays can  
reach, and leave black luminance blank, you should get a much closer  
match.

C. David Tobie
Global Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
CDTobie@...

ok, thank you very much for the additional info - looks like I do have still a lot to check and consider.
thanks again

ok, I am making progress now, thanks to advice from you !!
colors, whitepoint compare better now and was able to confirm, that both monitors use their own, separate file.
whats left now are big differences in saturation and contrast which are also very important for my image-editing. any advice here, on how to adjust that and to determine,which monitor might be correct and which not?
thanks again for help

If you are not using a color managed application, such as Photoshop,  
there is no mechanism for adjusting satuaration. If you are, and both  
profiles are being used by it, then the correction should be automatic.

C. D. Tobie
Global Product Technology Mngr.
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
Datacolor.com
CDTobie@...

On May 25, 2009, at 1:44 PM, "philllie1" <pkleister@...> wrote:

> ok, I am making progress now, thanks to advice from you !!
> colors, whitepoint compare better now and was able to confirm, that  
> both monitors use their own, separate file.
> whats left now are big differences in saturation and contrast which  
> are also very important for my image-editing. any advice here, on  
> how to adjust that and to determine,which monitor might be correct  
> and which not?
> thanks again for help
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

thank you once again. very helpful!
yes, I am using color managing apps like breezebrowser,lightroom and photoshop, but somehow saturation is very very different between the monitors (one very saturated, the other pale). 
I might rund the spyder again over it, maybe it will improve.
thanks again.

There are gamut limits to each display. If one can show much more  
saturation that the other, than the colors too saturated to show  
accurately on the more limited display will look different. But if  
skintones and other in gamut colors are different between the two,  
than you have a matching issue, not a gamut issue.

C. D. Tobie
Global Product Technology Mngr.
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
Datacolor.com
CDTobie@...

On May 25, 2009, at 5:53 PM, "philllie1" <pkleister@...> wrote:

> thank you once again. very helpful!
> yes, I am using color managing apps like breezebrowser,lightroom and  
> photoshop, but somehow saturation is very very different between the  
> monitors (one very saturated, the other pale).
> I might rund the spyder again over it, maybe it will improve.
> thanks again.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>