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What settings should I use to find/print profiles for Lightroom 3.3 that were made long ago for PS?

I will need to make new profiles for a new printer (Epson 4900)and several new papers that will usually be printed through Lightroom. It's been years since I've made printer paper profiles for my 3800 & will have to reread your tutorial. Any updates I should be aware of as your online tutorial seems to be getting a little old - although principals probably still apply?

dave

I am new to spyder  looking at the manual and the video's is like looking at stuff a decade old.   

CS2 wov    any new spyder user would wonder what he/she is buying. 

 Please update your documentation.

Elo Laugesen

>>I am new to spyder  looking at the manual and the video's is like looking at stuff a decade old.   

CS2 wov    any new spyder user would wonder what he/she is buying. 

Ten years ago would be Photoshop 5.5, if I recall correctly. The thing about using screenshots from third party apps like Photoshop and third party printer drivers in your documentation is that you then need to acquire ten different language versions of each to create the screenshots for the ten different translations of the documentation. We will be updating our documentation, but when we do, it's unlikely that there will continue to be as much visual detail in the new versions. 

C. David Tobie
Global Product Technology Manager
Imaging Color Solutions
Datacolor inc. 
cdtobie@...
www.datacolor.com

On Mar 13, 2011, at 2:41 PM, elo <elo@...> wrote:

> I am new to spyder  looking at the manual and the video's is like looking at stuff a decade old.   
> 
> CS2 wov    any new spyder user would wonder what he/she is buying.

>>What settings should I use to find/print profiles for Lightroom 3.3 that were made long ago for PS?

It's not possible to turn color management off in Lightroom on the Mac to print profiling targets. Adobe has a new utility for this (hidden in Adobe Labs), but most people are better off printing targets directly from our Print application. Once you've built a profile, it's necessary to select it in advance in Lightroom for it to show at print time as an option. You will be limited to printing with Adobe Blackpoint Compensation on (no control to turn it off, as in Photoshop), you won't be able to access the Saturation intent (LightRoom doesn't list it), and if you have a broken printing path through your driver, you won't be able to use the "convert to custom profile, then assign sRGB" workaround that's possible from Photoshop. All a bit disappointing, and enough to force me to continue doing all my printing from Photoshop, and lose out on the nice options available when printing from Lightroom. 

C. David Tobie
Global Product Technology Manager
Imaging Color Solutions
Datacolor inc. 
cdtobie@...
www.datacolor.com

On Mar 13, 2011, at 2:12 PM, "davedoughman" <davedoughman@...> wrote:

> What settings should I use to find/print profiles for Lightroom 3.3 that were made long ago for PS?

Sorry guys... having commented on the documentation I should also say that the product works exactly like it says.  It is easy to use. I have tried both patch and strip reader both are easy to use.  I am very satisfied.

the profiles are good in fact I print giclees  or original artwork and two artists think the prints look better with the new profiles.  I tried two profiles on fine art textured paper. 

My old profiles were generated by my paper supplier from my own targets using xrite hardware and software.

at this point I am happy.

Only one question?

I seem to have significantly more areas out of gamut when checking my work  in photoshop than I did with the old profiles ??

I have tried softproofing using the new profiles versus the old profiles and I consistantly have more out of gamut with spyder profiles.
I have tried some other profiles from supplier in the us and his colorvision profile showed the same out of gamut as my spyder profiles  while other profiles from other suppliers(using xrite)  did not????

this is  also the case for all the test photos supplied by datacolor and others... 

I need to learn more about this ..   and have started reading    

Elo Laugesen

>>I seem to have significantly more areas out of gamut when checking my work  in photoshop than I did with the old profiles ??

Yes, that's somewhat of an judgement call... We hope to make adjustments to that to allow it to be a more useful indicator in the future. At this time, my best advice would be to not worry about it, it doesn't effect your prints. 

C. David Tobie
Global Product Technology Manager
Imaging Color Solutions
Datacolor inc. 
cdtobie@...
www.datacolor.com

On Mar 13, 2011, at 5:30 PM, elo <elo@...> wrote:

> I seem to have significantly more areas out of gamut when checking my work  in photoshop than I did with the old profiles ??

Any of you who own an iPad (or an iPad 2) and a Spyder3, who would be interested in doing some testing for Datacolor, please send an email to the following address:

betainfo@... 

thanks,
C. David Tobie
Global Product Technology Manager
Imaging Color Solutions
CDTobie@...



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