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I finally decided to use my Spyder3Print SR to build a new profile for my main paper/printer combination.  The previous profile was built some time back using the PrintFix Pro package. When I do a soft proof under Photoshop CS5 on an image using the old printer profile and the new one, there is a small difference (the new one appears slightly brighter) using the same settings; saturation intent, black point compensation.  However, when I print using the two profiles, the one from the new profile is super saturated (dark) and appears, visually, to have a slight green tint.

In the Sypder3Print program, I did a calibration on the Spectro and get L=88.20, a=-0.13, b= -3.76 and density = 0.14.  I did make sure the tile was cleaned before do the calibration.  I printed the media setting check image and it appears (possibly) slightly dark but the images have a definite green cast. I made sure that color management was turned off in the print driver when printing the media check print, the targets and my test prints. I also made sure I was using the same media and other settings in the print driver.  I also made sure I ran the Spectro off a powered USB port.

The new profile was built from the EZ High Quality target.  The old one was done using a 729 patch target.

I am running the V4.2.1 level under Win 7, 64 bit.

Any suggestions?

On Sep 12, 2011, at 4:54 PM, Rollin H wrote:

> I finally decided to use my Spyder3Print SR to build a new profile for my main paper/printer combination. The previous profile was built some time back using the PrintFix Pro package. When I do a soft proof under Photoshop CS5 on an image using the old printer profile and the new one, there is a small difference (the new one appears slightly brighter) using the same settings; saturation intent, black point compensation. However, when I print using the two profiles, the one from the new profile is super saturated (dark) and appears, visually, to have a slight green tint.
> 

That sounds like an uncalibrated print. It means that, regardless of whether you think you've
printed the target for your new profile correctly; it's very likely that you haven't.

If you print the target wrong (color managed), then when you build a profile from it, you'll
end up with a "do-nothing" profile. When you apply this later on when printing (with the driver
running properly in uncalibrated mode), you'll then get an uncalibrated print.


> In the Sypder3Print program, I did a calibration on the Spectro and get L=88.20, a=-0.13, b= -3.76 and density = 0.14. I did make sure the tile was cleaned before do the calibration. I printed the media setting check image and it appears (possibly) slightly dark but the images have a definite green cast. I made sure that color management was turned off in the print driver when printing the media check print, the targets and my test prints. I also made sure I was using the same media and other settings in the print driver. I also made sure I ran the Spectro off a powered USB port.
> 
> The new profile was built from the EZ High Quality target. The old one was done using a 729 patch target.
> 

I'm 99.9% sure that your EZ target print for the new version is wrong. You can visually check this by
comparing it to your older 779 patch target print, which I'm sure is correctly. Look at the "perfect blue"
patch, which will be on the first page in both targets. In the EZ target, if it's wrong (calibrated), you'll
see the the blue patch will be weaker and lighter than in the older 729 patch target. That's your red
flag that the new target print is wrong. Re-check your driver settings, go back and print it again, making
SURE (check and recheck one more time in the driver) that you've turned color management off. If you reprint
the EZ target and it comes out darker and more saturated (to match your original 729 patch target), that's
your solution.

David Miller
Senior Software Developer, Digital Color Solutions
Datacolor

David,

It appears that I did somehow print the targets with the wrong settings in the print driver.  I redid everything ensuring color management was off and all other settings were as they should  be.  The new targets were definitely different and the profile created from them works fine.  Thanks  for your help and for not telling me to RTFM! (grin)  

FYI, the "new" strip reader is really nice.  Makes it a lot easier to build a profile.

Rollin

--- In datacolor_group@yahoogroups.com, David Miller <dm2363@...> wrote:

>
> 
> On Sep 12, 2011, at 4:54 PM, Rollin H wrote:
> 
> > I finally decided to use my Spyder3Print SR to build a new profile for my main paper/printer combination. The previous profile was built some time back using the PrintFix Pro package. When I do a soft proof under Photoshop CS5 on an image using the old printer profile and the new one, there is a small difference (the new one appears slightly brighter) using the same settings; saturation intent, black point compensation. However, when I print using the two profiles, the one from the new profile is super saturated (dark) and appears, visually, to have a slight green tint.
> > 
> 
> That sounds like an uncalibrated print. It means that, regardless of whether you think you've
> printed the target for your new profile correctly; it's very likely that you haven't.
> 
> If you print the target wrong (color managed), then when you build a profile from it, you'll
> end up with a "do-nothing" profile. When you apply this later on when printing (with the driver
> running properly in uncalibrated mode), you'll then get an uncalibrated print.
> 
> 
> > In the Sypder3Print program, I did a calibration on the Spectro and get L=88.20, a=-0.13, b= -3.76 and density = 0.14. I did make sure the tile was cleaned before do the calibration. I printed the media setting check image and it appears (possibly) slightly dark but the images have a definite green cast. I made sure that color management was turned off in the print driver when printing the media check print, the targets and my test prints. I also made sure I was using the same media and other settings in the print driver. I also made sure I ran the Spectro off a powered USB port.
> > 
> > The new profile was built from the EZ High Quality target. The old one was done using a 729 patch target.
> > 
> 
> I'm 99.9% sure that your EZ target print for the new version is wrong. You can visually check this by
> comparing it to your older 779 patch target print, which I'm sure is correctly. Look at the "perfect blue"
> patch, which will be on the first page in both targets. In the EZ target, if it's wrong (calibrated), you'll
> see the the blue patch will be weaker and lighter than in the older 729 patch target. That's your red
> flag that the new target print is wrong. Re-check your driver settings, go back and print it again, making
> SURE (check and recheck one more time in the driver) that you've turned color management off. If you reprint
> the EZ target and it comes out darker and more saturated (to match your original 729 patch target), that's
> your solution.
> 
> David Miller
> Senior Software Developer, Digital Color Solutions
> Datacolor
>