i wrote about moving pedal data to ch 3 but then read this. i am not sue what you are trying to do. if you want the pedal data on ch 3 you can use midimod2 to do that as i explained. if you are trying to move pedal data from ch 3 to ch 1 you can use my remap channels program which will move all channel 3 data to wherever you want it. On 2/24/2014 9:58 PM, Skanter123 wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Geoff and Spence have both been incredibly generous in trying to help > me with the clunking, noisy damper pedal on my MK II DKV when playing > back MIDI files. > > After trying Spence's pedal on/off program to no avail, we are > realizing that the older DKVs like the MKII receive damper on/off > data on ch 1, and half-pedal data on ch 3. > > Can anyone enlighten us on what type of MIDI files (0 or1) have pedal > info on ch 3? Is there a way to extract this data that might be > embedded on ch 1? > > Does anyone with older DKVs have this clunking pedal issue, and have > they found a way to solve it? > > Thanks in advance... > > > Sam > www.keyboardcollective.com <http://www.keyboardcollective.com> > (212) 684-3304 > > > > > > On Feb 20, 2014, at 7:40 PM, Sam Kanter <skanter123@... > <mailto:skanter123@...>> wrote: > >> Geoff, the settings are very helpful. Hopefully I can experiment >> tomorrow and see how they work. I will report back and update. Thanks! >> >> Sam >> www.keyboardcollective.com <http://www.keyboardcollective.com> >> (212) 684-3304 >> >> /*(Sent from phone - please excuse brevity and typos.)/ >> >> On Feb 20, 2014, at 5:57 PM, "Geoff Ward" <gward1211@... >> <mailto:gward1211@...>> wrote: >> >>> Sam >>> >>> The attached screenshot is of the settings I found best, but it >>> depends on the regulation of the piano. On mine, the dampers just >>> clear all of the strings at a midi value of 60 (I created a test >>> file with various levels to ascertain that figure). So I set it at >>> a max of 70 to ensure strings were undamped. At 40 all strings were >>> fully damped. So a range of 40 to 70 minimises the pedal travel. >>> However, the ramps of midi 64 controllers thus created still descend >>> to 0 if time permits, so I\u2019m not quite sure what the pedal off >>> threshold of 40 determines. It does seem to put a shoulder in the >>> ramp at the 40 mark and affects the position of the ramp. This is >>> always a compromise. The sustain pedal will take effect at a later >>> point in time and will come off earlier and I think that the >>> threshold levels are intended to position the ramps so that the >>> sustain actuation occurs as close as possible to where the former >>> on/off controllers occurred. It\u2019s not perfect because damper >>> lift-off is not perfect. On my piano, which is new, the damper >>> lift-off range is about 50 to 60. >>> >>> The soft pedal is not so critical. For the soft pedal, the ramp is >>> set to run the full range from 0 to 127, as you would expect. I\u2019m >>> again not sure of the significance of the on and off threshold >>> values, but these settings worked for me. >>> >>> Kind regards >>> >>> Geoff >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> *From:*disklavier@yahoogroups.com >>> <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com> >>> [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com >>> <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com>] *On Behalf Of *Skanter123 >>> *Sent:* Thursday, 20 February 2014 5:29 PM >>> *To:* disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com> >>> *Cc:* disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com> >>> *Subject:* Re: [disklavier] DKV volume >>> >>> Geoff, do you have an idea what would be good starting settings for >>> MPX100II? >>> >>> This is a mark II DKV, not mark II XG. >>> >>> Sam >>> >>> www.keyboardcollective.com <http://www.keyboardcollective.com> >>> >>> (212) 684-3304 >>> >>> >>> On Feb 20, 2014, at 1:26 AM, Spencer Chase <lists@... >>> <mailto:lists@...>> wrote: >>> >>>> i wrote the program but Geoff did the testing and has a DKV to test >>>> on so he is the authority for appropriate settings, at least for >>>> pianos similar to his. >>>> >>>> On 2/19/2014 10:16 PM, Sam Kanter wrote: >>>> >>>>> Wow - this looks like just what the doctor ordered to fix the >>>>> noisy on/off pedaling issue. Can't wait to test it during day >>>>> hours. Thanks! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sam Kanter >>>>> www.keyboardcollective.com <http://www.keyboardcollective.com> >>>>> (212) 684-3304 >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 1:05 AM, Spencer Chase >>>>> <lists@... <mailto:lists@...>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> i uploaded the new version of the pedal modifier program do not >>>>> use the link in the last e-mail because the name has changed. go >>>>> to the download page of my site spencerserolls.com >>>>> <http://spencerserolls.com> and find the *On Off to Gradual Pedal >>>>> converter program >>>>> <http://spencerserolls.com/On_off-gradual_pedalingTK_soft-sust_new.zip>*** (New**) >>>>> actually, this link might work from e-mail but best to visit the >>>>> download page instead. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 2/19/2014 8:20 PM, Skanter123 wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Geoff, what is the exact name of Spencer's pedal program? I >>>>>> could not find it... >>>>>> >>>>>> Sam >>>>>> >>>>>> www.keyboardcollective.com <http://www.keyboardcollective.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> (212) 684-3304 <tel:%28212%29%20684-3304> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 19, 2014, at 11:18 PM, Geoff Ward <gward1211@... >>>>>> <mailto:gward1211@...>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Just following up on Spencer\u2019s comments about his program to >>>>>>> apply up and down ramps to on-off pedal controllers. The program >>>>>>> works best with type 0 midi files and it works well to remove >>>>>>> pedal noise from my MKIV when playing low volume midi files. >>>>>>> File of just piano music can be easily converted from type 1 to >>>>>>> type 0 in a program like Cakewalk, or Spencer also has a program >>>>>>> to do it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (Spencer, the pedal modifier program on your website is not the >>>>>>> latest \u2013 the latest version displays parameters for both sustain >>>>>>> and soft pedals). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If someone wants to use this program, I have worked out the >>>>>>> settings which give good results for my MKIV. If anyone wants >>>>>>> them, please let me know. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Geoff Ward >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:*disklavier@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>> <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com> >>>>>>> [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>> <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com>] *On Behalf Of *Spencer Chase >>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 19 February 2014 4:23 AM >>>>>>> *To:* disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com> >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [disklavier] DKV volume >>>>>>> >>>>>>> my computer is screwing up after that last win8 update. not sure >>>>>>> how much i can do while traveling. hope it recovers. it looks >>>>>>> like the most recent version of on off to gradual pedaling is on >>>>>>> the download page of my web site. Geoff reads this list. he >>>>>>> recently had some "problems" with the program but it turned out >>>>>>> to be misunderstanding of what it could do. he remembers better >>>>>>> than i so can probably answer questions. i know he has >>>>>>> successfully used it to reduce both soft and sustain pedal >>>>>>> noise. be sure to use the on off to gradual, not the reverse. >>>>>>> the program has to interpolate ramped controllers. it does the >>>>>>> best it can but you have to choose settings for some strange >>>>>>> files??? probably best to use the default settings until you >>>>>>> figure out something better. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://spencerserolls.com/Files4Download.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2/18/2014 9:10 AM, Skanter123 wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks Spence - I would be interested... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sam >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> www.keyboardcollective.com <http://www.keyboardcollective.com> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (212) 684-3304 <tel:%28212%29%20684-3304> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Feb 18, 2014, at 11:13 AM, Spencer Chase >>>>>>>> <lists@... <mailto:lists@...>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> about pedals, i have a program that interpolates progressive >>>>>>>>> pedaling in to MIDI files. not sure if i put it on my web site >>>>>>>>> or not. i recently went through testing with Geoff Ward and i >>>>>>>>> believe we found the program to do what it should. it >>>>>>>>> definitely reduces pedal noise. i am really busy right now >>>>>>>>> getting ready for a trip but will probably be stuck in the >>>>>>>>> airport for hours later today (weather) and can make sure a >>>>>>>>> working version is posted to my server. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> if anyone is interested, let me know. i have a lot to do so >>>>>>>>> will not bother unless people want it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 2/18/2014 12:01 AM, Skanter123 wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> � >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sorry about that. I mis-read your question. George will need >>>>>>>>>>> to respond on your Controller 7 question about how it >>>>>>>>>>> affects the Disklavier. I just know that Controller 7 is set >>>>>>>>>>> to 100 at the beginning of Yamaha PianoSoft Disklavier files. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hmmm...I'm wondering how MIDI volume (controller 7) can >>>>>>>>>> affect an acoustic piano. It seems the only way to affect >>>>>>>>>> volume on a DKV is by velocity or soft pedal (bringing >>>>>>>>>> hammers closer), >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have not seen any sort of volume control curve for Disklavier. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Noisy pedals - This is usually the result of playing MIDI >>>>>>>>>> files that have ON/OFF pedaling, instead of incremental >>>>>>>>>> pedaling. During playback, ON/OFF pedaling goes from full OFF >>>>>>>>>> to full ON and then back to full OFF. This is much noiser >>>>>>>>>> (and much less musical) than incremental pedaling. I imagine >>>>>>>>>> that when you record on your Disklavier, the playback of the >>>>>>>>>> pedals is much better, right? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes! This makes sense. � I wonder if there is a simple way to >>>>>>>>>> control this when playing MIDI files that only have ON/OFF? >>>>>>>>>> Probably some utility somewhere... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks again! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Bill >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: Skanter123 <skanter123@... >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:skanter123@...>> >>>>>>>>>> To: disklavier <disklavier@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com>> >>>>>>>>>> Cc: disklavier <disklavier@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Mon, Feb 17, 2014 10:53 pm >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [disklavier] DKV volume >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> � >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sam� >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> www.keyboardcollective.com <http://www.keyboardcollective.com> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (212) 684-3304 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Feb 18, 2014, at 1:36 AM, Bill Brandom <billbrando@... >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:billbrando@...>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Bill, thanks for your detailed reply. I'm still confused >>>>>>>>>> about a few things, though. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> � >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You stated that you are reducing MIDI velocities and not >>>>>>>>>> hearing a difference on the Disklavier. My guess is that your >>>>>>>>>> music must be playing pretty softly and the Disklavier will >>>>>>>>>> not attempt to play it any softer, even with the velocities >>>>>>>>>> reduced. Just to confirm that your velocity changes are or >>>>>>>>>> are not working, take a very high velocity note and reduce >>>>>>>>>> its velocity considerably and see if the Disklavier plays it >>>>>>>>>> back considerable softer. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I said that lowering MIDI VOLUME (not velocity) produced no >>>>>>>>>> affect. I'm not sure how changing MIDI volume (controller #7) >>>>>>>>>> affects the DKV if at all. Is it supposed to? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The built in volume control on the Disklavier compresses the >>>>>>>>>> playback, reducing the highest velocity notes much more than >>>>>>>>>> the lower velocity notes. On your MPX100II, at a certain >>>>>>>>>> volume level (I think -7, the hammer rest rail of your piano >>>>>>>>>> moves the hammers much closer to the strings, thereby making >>>>>>>>>> the piano play much softer.) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On my DKV, the velocity seems to decrease as I bring it down >>>>>>>>>> from 0 to -10, but I'm not sure what the curve is. Is there a >>>>>>>>>> graphic showing this curve? I assume the � volume control >>>>>>>>>> affects velocity only, and not the soft pedal? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Another unrelated issue i have is that, on some MIDI file >>>>>>>>>> playback, the damper pedal is quite noisy. It is sustaining >>>>>>>>>> notes properly but moving up and down more than it needs to >>>>>>>>>> (like some of my beginning students who stamp on the pedal >>>>>>>>>> until they learn to use it). � Is there a way to control the >>>>>>>>>> continuous movement of the pedal to limit it's movement >>>>>>>>>> somewhat so it will be quieter? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance for your help... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Bill >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: Skanter123 <skanter123@... >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:skanter123@...>> >>>>>>>>>> To: disklavier <disklavier@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Mon, Feb 17, 2014 8:43 pm >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [disklavier] DKV volume >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> � >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, George. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Being a synthesist as well as pianist, I was there at MIDI's >>>>>>>>>> start, and know my way around SYSEX charts, but am still >>>>>>>>>> confused about how MIDI volume and velocity affects an >>>>>>>>>> acousto-electric instrument like the DKV.� >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I see no affect when I lower MIDI volume of MIDI files with a >>>>>>>>>> sequencer. How is that supposed to work? Also, does changing >>>>>>>>>> velocity values affect the force or speed of the hammers, or >>>>>>>>>> just implement the soft pedal? What exactly does the built-in >>>>>>>>>> volume control on DKV do, is it the same on all DKVs? Mine is >>>>>>>>>> a 1997 MPX100II. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sam� >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> www.keyboardcollective.com <http://www.keyboardcollective.com> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (212) 684-3304 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Feb 17, 2014, at 7:04 PM, Bill Brandom >>>>>>>>>> <bill.brandom03@... <mailto:bill.brandom03@...>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> � >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> George, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Great Disklavier volume explanation!! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Bill >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 17, 2014, at 2:41 PM, George Frederick Litterst >>>>>>>>>>> <PianoBench@... <mailto:PianoBench@...>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> � >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Good afternoon, everyone. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Here is a comprehensive dissertation on the various elements >>>>>>>>>>> that affect playback volume of the Disklavier: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *(1) Disklavier's Volume Setting on the Control Panel* >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> For all Disklaviers except the Mark IV, volume is set on a >>>>>>>>>>> scale of 0 to -10. A setting of 0 is the default (full >>>>>>>>>>> volume) and is the only setting that properly plays back a >>>>>>>>>>> file that was recorded on the instrument. All of the other >>>>>>>>>>> volume settings on the control panel result in the volume >>>>>>>>>>> being scaled down, with -10 as the lowest setting. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The Mark IV is a bit different. The hand-held PRC has a >>>>>>>>>>> volume meter that goes from 1 to 127. A value of 100 is >>>>>>>>>>> normal, full volume. A higher value scales up the volume >>>>>>>>>>> beyond normal, and a lower setting scales down the volume. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Bottom Line: For accurate playback, set your Disklavier's >>>>>>>>>>> volume to 0 (or to 100, in the case of the Mark IV). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *(2) MIDI Note-on Velocity* >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Depending upon the model of Disklavier, MIDI note-on >>>>>>>>>>> velocity represents either the hammer velocity of the note >>>>>>>>>>> (in the case of instruments that have hammer sensors) or the >>>>>>>>>>> key velocity of a note (in the case of the Disklaviers that >>>>>>>>>>> do not have hammer sensors). The range of possible values is >>>>>>>>>>> 0 to 127. A value of 0 in the MIDI world is the same as a >>>>>>>>>>> note-off message. Therefore, the effective minimum value is >>>>>>>>>>> 1 and the maximum value is 127. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> In the case of casual playing, the Disklavier generates >>>>>>>>>>> note-on values in the range of about 40 to 90. When an >>>>>>>>>>> artist pushes the dynamic range of the instrument, the low >>>>>>>>>>> values may start in the 15-20 range and go up into the >>>>>>>>>>> 105-115 range. It is rather unusual for a pianist to >>>>>>>>>>> generate note-on values above 115. Note-on values below 20 >>>>>>>>>>> are often brushed notes that were barely played and/or which >>>>>>>>>>> may have been accidentally played. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, there is no industry standard for what a >>>>>>>>>>> particular MIDI note-on value actually means. If you record >>>>>>>>>>> a MIDI file on certain Yamaha keyboards--such as an >>>>>>>>>>> AvantGrand or a Clavinova, the playback on the Disklavier >>>>>>>>>>> will sound pretty good. If you record on a Yamaha DGX-640, >>>>>>>>>>> playback may sound OK in the soft range but will sound >>>>>>>>>>> bizarre in the medium to loud range with certain notes >>>>>>>>>>> unexpectedly jumping out at you. The reason is that the >>>>>>>>>>> velocity profile of the DGX-640 does not match the velocity >>>>>>>>>>> profile of the Disklavier. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Many light action keyboards routinely generate velocities in >>>>>>>>>>> the range of 100-127. When those files are played on a >>>>>>>>>>> Disklavier, it may sound as though one is taking a >>>>>>>>>>> sledgehammer to the instrument. The best way to adjust for >>>>>>>>>>> these files is to scale down the velocities so that they are >>>>>>>>>>> within the Disklavier's normal range. That does not mean >>>>>>>>>>> that the resulting velocity profile will match up musically >>>>>>>>>>> with the Diskla vier's profile, but at least the sound will >>>>>>>>>>> not be excruciatingly loud. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Bottom Line: It's best to stick with files that were >>>>>>>>>>> recorded on the Disklavier or which were recorded with >>>>>>>>>>> instruments that have similar velocity profiles. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> NOTE: The Disklavier PRO records note-on velocity with >>>>>>>>>>> higher than normal resolution, effectively on a scale of 0 - >>>>>>>>>>> 1023 where the Disklavier PRO's 0 normal MIDI 0 and the >>>>>>>>>>> Disklavier PRO's 1023 normal MIDI 127. The extra bits of >>>>>>>>>>> resolution are stored as MIDI controller data. � >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *(3) MIDI Controller 7* >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The MIDI spec has provision for 128 controllers, numbered >>>>>>>>>>> from 0 to 127. Many of these controllers are defined for >>>>>>>>>>> specific purposes. For example: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Controller 64 = sustain pedal >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Controller 66 = /sostenuto/ pedal >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Controller 67 = /una corda/ pedal >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Many controllers are undefined. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The controllers that typically affect volume are controller >>>>>>>>>>> 7 (known as Volume) and controller 11 (known as Expression). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Each track of a properly formatted MIDI file has a >>>>>>>>>>> controller 7 value at the beginning of the track that sets >>>>>>>>>>> an overall relative volume for the entire track.� Imagine, >>>>>>>>>>> for example, that you are creating a multitrack MIDI file >>>>>>>>>>> for piano, bass, and flute. You might start by setting >>>>>>>>>>> controller 7 100 at the beginning of each track. After you >>>>>>>>>>> finish recording each track, if you decide that the flute >>>>>>>>>>> part is a bit soft, you might raise its controller 7 value. >>>>>>>>>>> If the bass is too loud, you might lower its controller 7 >>>>>>>>>>> value a bit. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> In other words, you might use the controller 7 values like >>>>>>>>>>> sliders on a channel mixer. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> In theory, these controller 7 values function much like >>>>>>>>>>> swell shades in a pipe organ. A rank of pipes lives inside a >>>>>>>>>>> chamber that is separated from the audience by a wall of >>>>>>>>>>> louvered panels. When the organist rocks down or up on the >>>>>>>>>>> swell pedal, these louvered panels close or open, thus >>>>>>>>>>> causing the rank of pipes to sound softer or allowing them >>>>>>>>>>> to sound louder.� >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If controller 7 could be properly implemented on an acoustic >>>>>>>>>>> piano, it would result in the lid of the piano being moved >>>>>>>>>>> farther up or down, thus allowing the sound to be louder or >>>>>>>>>>> causing it to be softer. Of course this is not practical. >>>>>>>>>>> Therefore, if the controller 7 value for the piano part is >>>>>>>>>>> higher or lower than 100, the Disklavier scales up or down >>>>>>>>>>> the note-on velocities in order to simulate the same effect. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the authors of many MIDI files that you find >>>>>>>>>>> on the Internet assign high values for controller 7 for the >>>>>>>>>>> piano tracks. The reason is that they are listening to >>>>>>>>>>> keyboards or tone generators that have weak piano samples. >>>>>>>>>>> Therefore, they try to get a more robust sound by increasing >>>>>>>>>>> the volume level--often in combination with deploying high >>>>>>>>>>> key velocities. This can result in destructively loud sound >>>>>>>>>>> when these files are played on a Disklavier. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Bottom Line: As stated above,� it's best to stick with files >>>>>>>>>>> that were recorded on the Disklavier or which were recorded >>>>>>>>>>> with instruments that have similar velocity profiles.� If >>>>>>>>>>> you want to play files from other sources, it is best to >>>>>>>>>>> make sure that controller 7 is set to 100 for the piano >>>>>>>>>>> track and that the note-on velocities are within the normal >>>>>>>>>>> range of what is generated by the Disklavier. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *(4) MIDI Controller 11* >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> MIDIcontroller 11 is known as Expression. In most cases, it >>>>>>>>>>> functions identically to controller 7.� >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Authors of multitrack MIDI files often use controller 7 to >>>>>>>>>>> set overall volume levels for each track (placing these >>>>>>>>>>> messages at the beginning of the file) and then use >>>>>>>>>>> controller 11 later in the file to make small adjustments to >>>>>>>>>>> the instrumental balance or to generate crescendos and >>>>>>>>>>> diminuendos in the case of wind and bowed instruments whose >>>>>>>>>>> notes can sustain indefinitely. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> There is no need for controller 11 in a piano track. In the >>>>>>>>>>> case of the Disklavier, using controller 11 in the piano >>>>>>>>>>> track only serves to confuse the controller 7 setting. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Bottom Line: If you play files that have controller 11 >>>>>>>>>>> messages in the piano track, it is best to get rid of them. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> PianoBench >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 17, 2014, at 1:59 PM, Sam Kanter wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> � >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So is volume on DKV normally set to 0, 3, or is it variable >>>>>>>>>>> for each MIDI file? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sam >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> www.keyboardcollective.com <http://www.keyboardcollective.com/> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> (212) 684-3304 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> /*(Sent from phone - please excuse brevity and typos.)/ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 16, 2014, at 7:49 PM, Bill Brandom >>>>>>>>>>> <bill.brandom03@... <mailto:bill.brandom03@...>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> � >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yamaha PianoSoft files for Disklavier have controller 7 set >>>>>>>>>>>> to 100 at the beginning of each file. Without it, files >>>>>>>>>>>> typically play too loud on a Disklavier. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Bill >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 16, 2014, at 4:43 PM, Skanter123 >>>>>>>>>>>> <skanter123@... <mailto:skanter123@...>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> � >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've been unclear about this: regarding volume, is there a >>>>>>>>>>>> "normal" volume for playback of MIDI files, i.e. the >>>>>>>>>>>> thousands on www.disklavierworld.com >>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.disklavierworld.com/>? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've been using 3, but wondering if 0 is the starting >>>>>>>>>>>> point. Is each MIDI file different volume? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best regards, Spencer Chase >>>>>>>>> 67550-Bell Springs Rd. >>>>>>>>> Garberville,CA 95542 Postal service only. >>>>>>>>> Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only. >>>>>>>>> Spencer@... <mailto:Spencer@...> >>>>>>>>> http://www.spencerserolls.com >>>>>>>>> (707) 984-8356 <tel:%28707%29%20984-8356> >>>>>>>>> (425) 791-0309 <tel:%28425%29%20791-0309> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best regards, Spencer Chase >>>>>>> 67550-Bell Springs Rd. >>>>>>> Garberville,CA 95542 Postal service only. >>>>>>> Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only. >>>>>>> Spencer@... <mailto:Spencer@...> >>>>>>> http://www.spencerserolls.com >>>>>>> (707) 984-8356 <tel:%28707%29%20984-8356> >>>>>>> (425) 791-0309 <tel:%28425%29%20791-0309> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Best regards, Spencer Chase >>>>> 67550-Bell Springs Rd. >>>>> Garberville,CA 95542 Postal service only. >>>>> Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only. >>>>> Spencer@... <mailto:Spencer@...> >>>>> http://www.spencerserolls.com >>>>> (707) 984-8356 <tel:%28707%29%20984-8356> >>>>> (425) 791-0309 <tel:%28425%29%20791-0309> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Best regards, Spencer Chase >>>> 67550-Bell Springs Rd. >>>> Garberville,CA 95542 Postal service only. >>>> Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only. >>>> Spencer@... <mailto:Spencer@...> >>>> http://www.spencerserolls.com >>>> (707) 984-8356 >>>> (425) 791-0309 >>> > -- Best regards, Spencer Chase 67550-Bell Springs Rd. 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Re: [disklavier] DKV volume
2014-02-25 by Spencer Chase