Disklavier

Thanks David and Mark,

I just ran the maintainance routine late last night so I'll do more
tests today.....more comments below.

 david broman <davb-@...> wrote: 
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/disklavier/?start=282
> I'm using a DC3PRO via the MIDI port (not TO HOST) to a Win98 PC,
running
> Cakewalk Pro Audio.  I'm also recording multiple tracks-- some piano,
and
> some other MIDI instruments from other MIDI sound modules.  When the
piece
> is complete, I always have the 500ms delay on (it's way too
inconsistent
> without that), and I compensate in the sequencer as follows...
> 
> 1) When initially developing and recording the piece, I don't use the
piano
> for playback at all.  I just set the sequencer track to access the GM
MIDI
> instrument #1 on the Yamaha sound module.  This is the grand piano
sound but
> doesn't invoke either the physical piano keys or the amazing "Silent"
piano
> synth.  It's just a standard MIDI piano sound. 

I see, why not the "Silent" piano sample sound ( much better)?
Shouldn't it respond just like the GM sound?

 During this stage, I can
> turn off the delay, and the Yamaha responds as perfectly as any MIDI
box.
> Note that I'm still using the Yamaha piano as the controller; just
not the
> piano as the playback instrument yet.


Cool..since you hear the strings, when playing pno parts that is..
> 
> 2) Once all the tracks are laid down, quantized, tweaked, etc., then
(and
> ONLY then) it's time to invoke the actual piano.  To do this, I go to
the
> Yamaha console and tell it to have the piano respond to the channel
I'm
> transmitting on, and then take the Yamaha track (or tracks) in my
sequencer
> and pull it backward in time (i.e., toward the left) 500ms.  In
Cakewalk you
> can even record a macro to make this an easy-to-perform operation
(which I
> did: I call it the "Disklavier Slide").  Now, I turn on the 500ms
delay on
> the Yamaha, and I'm in business.
> 


Boy, I wish Cubase had this. I have to do the math: I'll probably do a
spreadsheet (386ppq/bpm/msec. )Logic has a ms. delay setting , but VST
is only +/-up to "500 ticks/ approx 256 for the track and 256 for the
part" - different for each tempo!!!@##$%.


> This assumes that you're not connecting any other MIDI instruments
via the
> Yamaha's THRU port.  

DC7 Pro has no midi thru.

This is apparently discouraged anyway, though, since
> it's impossible to silence the Yamaha on an arbitrary MIDI channel
(which
> would be necessary if you had another MIDI instrument going through
that
> same port which you wanted to respond to that channel without having
the
> Yamaha respond as well).
> 
> Anyway, the end result sounds perfect to me.  Seems like you said
below that
> you have no problems compensating for the 500ms delay, though.  If
you mean
> that you're doing the same thing I'm doing, but you're still having
some
> kind of problem, I'd be interested to know exactly what the problem
is.  As
> far as I can tell, the timing sounds absolutely perfect when I do the
above
> steps.
> 

I think so, for example, I'm playing a Roland 2080 module el. pno sound
in silent mode: laggy...., and when I play with silent mode off, what
comes up on the edit screen is late and notes are shorter. I've tested
my other controllers ( Pc-88, Jv-80) w/ same midi cables and modules;
no problem. Playing a simple trill gives it away since it plays back
staccato in many cases. Not the way it sounded when i played it or
pretty impossible for that matter.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Wisner [mailto:MWisner@...]
> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2000 8:36 AM
> To: disklavier@egroups.com
> Subject: [disklavier] Re: Disklavier midi delay
> 
> 
> Which mode are you recording in? ( XP or Standard)  Have you tried
using the
> host port instead of the midi ports?  Midi interfaces are notorious
for
> "coloring" the data.

BTW, I'm only recording in standard, i.e. enhanced mode , not XP(
recommended for midi editing, right, since you can't keep xp data
integrity when you move midi notes). I use a Music Quest 8 Port SE 8x8
midi PC Interface with a large multi module setup. Host midi is not
feasable, I think.

Got a better idea? I have to sort these problems out soon so I can get
back to my CD project.

Thanks, 

Gregg

> 
> 				Dave
> 

> 
> 
> Anyone else using the Disklavier Pro for Computer/MIDI dissapointed w/
> the midi lag on midi out of the DK. Any tweaks for better response?
> 
> I just took delivery of my new DC7 PRO and the internal recorder is
98%
> there and great for the home market, but using it for precise
> (professional, real time, jazzy ) midi recording has been time
consuming
> and has me dissolutioned. I have no problem compensating for the 500
ms
> delay on a ghost track for piano playback, but this is not
> "profesional".
> 
> Local mode sounds fine in Silent. I am recording into PC / VST / LOgic
> .  But when I go to Local off ( Midi thru the PC) I experience what
> feels like 3-8ms delay. Not fun for playing tight. Also, the events
> appear late on the edit screen so selectively quantizing notes moves
> them farther away from the unquantized ones. Not acceptable.
> 
> Another BIG  problem: the midi note length on output is shorter >  I
can
> tell the difference both while I'm playing other piano synth module
> sounds and especially on playback of fast passages to the DK.
> 
> 
> I'm considering returning this if I find this problem to be unfixable.
> Any ideas??
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Gregg
> 
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