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Re: [disklavier] Re: Minimum Velocities+self check

2005-09-27 by Ted East

All,

I tested the file on my mx100a upright. All notes sound at all volume
levels, in fact I did not detect a noticeable difference in volume
between 0 and -3. However I have noticed that my piano has problems
playing short quick notes in rapid succession. Is it possible to create
another test file but with the note being rapidly repeated before
progressing? 

-Ted



On Mon, 2005-09-26 at 12:08 -0800, Robert Welcyng wrote:

> For those interested, I'm attaching a short midi file (type 0).  The
> duration of each note is 31 msec, approximately, and all notes are of
> velocity 10.  When this file is played on my Mark II DC3, all notes
> sound.
> 
> (Should you not find the attachment, contact me privately.)
> 
> Spencer_Lists wrote:
> 
> > Greetings George,
> > 
> > typing left handed, forgive lower case please.
> > 
> > it was a real surprise to me that the dkv would not play quick soft
> > notes. i would think that the mechanism and electronics should do
> > whatever is necessary to play any note sent to it, with the possible
> > exception of very quick brushed notes. the pianodisc brings all note
> > durations and velocities up to a minimum so they will play. this is
> > annoying at times as all brushed notes play audibly. i had to write a
> > program to remove them automatically.
> > 
> > the delay is turned on. without it it is much worse. the piano has
> > been regulated several times by a dealer tech. maybe there is a
> > shortage of dealer techs who know what they are doing.
> > 
> > it is interesting to hear of another piano with the same problem.
> > 
> > 
> > Monday, September 26, 2005, 7:25:47 AM, you wrote:
> >   
> > 
> > > Good morning, everyone.
> > >     
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > > In my experience, a properly regulated and calibrated Disklavier  
> > > should not drop notes on playback from floppy disk, internal memory,  
> > > or from external MIDI when the MIDI Delay feature is on.
> > >     
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > > Dropped notes are a potential problem if the instrument is not  
> > > properly regulated or calibrated or if it receives MIDI data with the
> > > MIDI In delay turned off.
> > >     
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > > The non-Pro, pre-Mark IV Disklaviers have their own internal settings
> > > that insure that low-velocity notes play back at an  appropriate  
> > > minimum velocity (about 20-25 on grands and about 35 on uprights).
> > >     
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > > Regards,
> > > PianoBench
> > >     
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > > On Sep 25, 2005, at 12:14 PM, Spencer_Lists wrote:
> > >     
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > > > Greetings Bob
> > > > 
> > > > I have discovered, working with a friend who has the same piano that
> > > > you do, that minimum playing velocity depends to some extent on note
> > > > duration. Very quick notes require higher velocity. We found that
> > > > giving a minimum of 47 cures the dropped note problem in Ampico files.
> > > > We made a "preset" that seems to work well although a program that
> > > > adjusts velocity only for short notes might allow more subtlety in the
> > > > lower ranges. I'll write it if there is enough interest. Here is a
> > > > preset string for Midimod2  I would like to know if this is only a
> > > > problem with upright DKVs or if grands have the problem too. I can
> > > > send a sample file to anyone who wants to try it.
> > > > 
> > > > Kerr Ampico, 
> > > > 3,7,11,15,19,23,27,31,35,47,50,51,53,56,59,63,67,71,73,75,78,82,85,90, 
> > > > 94,100,104,108,110,110,110,110
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >       
> > > > 
> > > > > > > > My question is: What is the lowest velocity number
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >               
> > > > 
> > > > this piano must > have to reliably play such fast moving music?
> > > > Spencer Chase's editor > will let you raise velocities in certain
> > > > ranges without bothering > other velocities.  The piano has just run
> > > > the self test and > calibration program and passed.  I just want to
> > > > know how much to raise > those soft notes. >>  >> Many thanks for all
> > > > comments. >>  >> Bob Gonzalez >> bgonzalez@j...
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> Todd's family web site was completely updated 012/22/03.  It contains
> some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among many other
> things, The url is:
> http://MuncyFamily.com 
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