Disklavier

I have used a velocity converter from www.midisolutions.com quite successfully for a customer who wanted to emulate the touch curve of 
his synth on his Disklavier. (don't ask me why)

It's a neat little box which can be easily programmed via a PC, using their own utility.

Adrian Thomas
Milton Keynes
UK

On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 05:46 , whatsay2that <mail.jsutton@...> sent:

>I have an older Disklavier, model HQ100, which I drive from a PC 
>using WinAmp via a USB MIDI adaptor and the MIDI input port.  The 
>only volume control is the knob that adjusts the distance of the 
>hammers from the strings, but that has no effect on the force with 
>which the keys are struck, which depends solely on the MIDI velocity 
>value.
>
>I would like to have a program to adjust MIDI velocity levels "on the 
>fly", and ideally one that would work in conjuction with WinAmp (but 
>that is not a requirement as long as there would be some means to 
>queue files in a playlist).  I sat at dinner last night thinking of 
>the velocity adjustment algorithm to use.  On arriving home, I 
>decided to check this user group to see if anyone had already solved 
>this problem, and I found your timely message thread.  It seems the 
>problem is not yet solved, but there are others out there who have 
>similar requirements.
>
>I can contribute the velocity adjustment algorithm, if someone else 
>who understands MIDI file structure can do the programming.  I have 
>written a small Excel spreadsheet with interactive slider bar inputs 
>and a velocity distribution graph so that you can see the impact of 
>the variables on the velocity value modifications.  (I don't see how 
>I can attach the file here, but I will try to post it in the "all new 
>uploads go here" folder.  If anyone wants it, write to me outside the 
>group forum and I will send it.)
>
>Briefly, there are three variables:  
>
>1) Absolute Maximum Velocity is the value that under no circumstances 
>can be exceeded.  This is the safety value so that high velocity 
>values do not cause damage to the piano.  Maximum MIDI velocity is 
>127, however values of 100 to 110 have been suggested as 
>maximum "safe" levels.  MIDI velocities above this maximum will be 
>truncated to this value.
>
>2) Target Minimum Velocity is the lower threshhold for sounding the 
>piano, or for setting a minimum volume higher if so desired.  All 
>MIDI velocities below this level will be raised to this level, unless 
>volume control is set lower.
>
>3)  Volume Control is a percentage of original velocity, within the 
>bounds set by Absolute Maximum Velocity and Target Minimum Velocity.  
>If Volume may be adjusted below the Target Minimum Velocity if 
>desired to turn volume down completely.  Volume profile will be 
>completely flat at this point.
>
>The algorithm (in Excel format) is: 
>=MIN(AbsMax,MAX(TargetMin,(TargetMax-TargetMin)/(OrigMax-TargetMin)*
>(OrigVel-TargetMin)+TargetMin))
>
>Where: 
>AbsMax = Absolute Maximum Velocity (safety limit)
>TargetMin = Target Minimum Velocity (lower threshhold)
>TargetMax = Volume Control % times 127 (maximum MIDI velocity value)
>OrigMax = 127 (maximum MIDI velocity value)
>OrigVel = Input velocity value from MIDI file (the value to be 
>modified).
>
>This will make more sense if you view the file, play with the 
>variable slider bars, and see from the graph how the algorithm works.
>
>Future enhancements could include a curved profile (this one is 
>linear), different profiles or settings for various ranges (treble, 
>mid-level, bass), etc, but I think the algorithm I have proposed will 
>be more than satisfactory for 99.44% of users.
>
>Is there anyone in the group that could program this?    
>
>John Sutton
>China
>
>
>--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, Carl Youngblood  wrote:
>>
>> It seems like the algorithm being used is wrong.  If a note is 
>already
>> soft, it should not be reduced to zero.  It should be reduced less 
>the
>> further it is from the desired overall volume, until turning down 
>the
>> volume doesn't change it at all.  Think of a normal distribution, 
>with
>> the desired volume being right at the middle of the bell curve. 
>> Turning down the volume should bring notes closer to the center of 
>the
>> bell curve instead of just subtracting uniformly from their
>> velocities.
>> 
>> On 12/10/05, bnbwv  wrote:
>> > In trying to reduce the volume on my old wagon grand, there are 
>two
>> > complications.  First, the volume controller (7) has no effect on
>> > hammer velocity (volume).  Second, if you just scale down all
>> > velocities, the softer notes won't sound at all.  You need to map
>> > velocities into a range from a low of around 25 to a high that
>> > depends on the 'volume' you desire.  Your MIDIMOD program is what 
>is
>> > needed, with the mapping being done on the fly rather than as a 
>file
>> > in / file out operation.
>>
>
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