Hmm... They must have had a separate room for the mainframe and boxes of punch cards. Jorge Fernandez wrote: > There were any DKVs in the 60s? > > Wow! > --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, Morris Smith <mdsatlanta@...> > wrote: > > > > Carol, you really need to do more research on these products. You > are so far out in left field trying to advise someone that Gs and > Cs are similar. They are completely different instruments. I have > seen these instruments grow and improve since the 60s, probably > before you were born. Do some more research and then advice and > consul people, who know absoutely nothing about instruments, in a > more educated manner. > > > > Carol Beigel <thecarolb@...> wrote: This is hard to > explain; especially since different models are distributed all over > the world, and often "newer" versions still have the same model > number! The U1 upright is a good example of a piano that has > changed many times in different markets over the years, but still > carries the model number of U1. > > > > I can only speak for the G, C, and S models I have seen in the > United States. Years ago, Yamaha made a G series of grand pianos > that were marketed for home use. That means they were engineered > and manufactured to a price point not necessarily the best quality. > The C series are better pianos and higher priced; called > Conservatory models. Then, there is the best they can do, and those > are the S series for those who are willing to pay for a fabulous > piano. I once saw an A series baby grand that was wonderful, but it > was not marketed in the U.S. It's all about price point and what > the customer will pay for. > > > > As everything else in the world, piano manufacturers had to > compete in a market where people wanted to buy goods for cheap, so > they had to come up with pianos that people could buy for cheaper. > The only way to do that is to cut corners somewhere. You get what > you pay for, but that is hard to explain that to someone on a > showroom floor looking at virtually identical grand pianos the same > size but the price points are thousands of dollars apart. > > > > I believe the C3 today is similar to the G3 of yesteryear, but > there is no cheaper version of that size piano today. The cheaper > models are the smaller grands. > > > > The older G series have the same stringing scales in some > instances that the C series now uses but other differences in the > piano actions. You really cannot generalize and say the old G > series are as good as today's C series. > > > > Today's G series make a lot of compromises in the materials used > in the case, how long the factory takes to produce them, how nice > the piano hammers sound (usually brighter), how well the piano can > be tuned and how long a tuning will last, how fast the materials in > the piano action will wear out, and how long the regulation of the > piano action will last. > > > > Carol Beigel > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Buddhika Wije > > To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 5:21 AM > > Subject: Re: [disklavier] G or C? > > > > > > Hi, > > Whats the equal version to the G3 now and whats the value of a > good second hand one? > > I guess the C series is better than the G series? > > Thanks > > BUDD > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > From: "Carol Beigel" <thecarolb@...> > > Reply-To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com > > To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Help! Serious Concern re Possible > Defect in Yamaha Grands > > Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 23:23:37 -0400 > > > > In pianos, bigger is usually better. The C2 is a well-built > piano. The GC1 > > is a cheaper version of the C1. Different materials in the case, > piano > > hammers and the amount of work put into it at the factory. That > is why it > > is so much cheaper. Try to get a good deal on the C2. Ultimately > though, > > you should listen to each of these pianos and decide for yourself! > > > > Carol > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "manhattanboy100" <manhattanboy100@...> > > To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 7:55 PM > > Subject: [disklavier] Re: Help! Serious Concern re Possible Defect > in Yamaha > > Grands > > > > > > > Thanks. Carol do you have any strong views GC1 (5'3") v. C2 > (5'8"). > > > Same Mark IV disklavier system. Thanks. > > > Ron > > > > > > > > > -- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "Arthur O'Leary" <ajoleary@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Go for the C2 - it's worth the difference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AJ O'Leary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On > > > > Behalf Of manhattanboy100 > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 4:42 PM > > > > To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: [disklavier] Re: Help! Serious Concern re Possible > Defect > > > in Yamaha > > > > Grands > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, I will pass this info along to the dealer. One more > thing, > > > I > > > > am really struggling between the C1 (5'3") and C2 (5'8") > models - > > > > both will fit well in my home - both come with the same Mark Iv > > > > disklavier and there is about a $10,000 price difference. Not > being > > > a > > > > player I really cannot hear the difference. Any advice? > Thanks!! > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "Carol Beigel" <thecarolb@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > What you are noticing are called compression ridges. > > > > > Because the planks that make up the soundboard of the > > > > > piano are glued in on all sides, when they encounter > > > > > humidity and swell slightly, there is no where to go > > > > > and you see these compression ridges. Eventually they > > > > > dry out and go away. However, if the humidity was > > > > > severe enough, those ridges can turn into cracks. It > > > > > is not the end of the world if your soundboard cracks, > > > > > but I personally believe there is an eventual loss of > > > > > tone. Yamaha does put a 10 year warranty on their > > > > > pianos. > > > > > > > > > > If you think the compression is severe, wait for > > > > > another piano. > > > > > > > > > > Carol Beigel > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "manhattanboy100" <manhattanboy100@> > > > > > To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 2:08 AM > > > > > Subject: [disklavier] Help! Serious Concern re Possible > > > > > Defect in Yamaha Grands > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, I am about to purchase a brand new Yamaha C2 with > > > > > the disklavier > > > > > > feature. The piano arrived at the dealer and it is > > > > > now set up in the > > > > > > showroom (for tuning etc). When I examined the piano > > > > > closely I noticed > > > > > > that the light colored horizontal wood panelling > > > > > below the strings is > > > > > > not perfectly flat and smooth to the touch, but the > > > > > wood strips have > > > > > > raised ridges between them, almost like the "cupping" > > > > > that occurs when > > > > > > hardwood floor strips become damaged from water. Its > > > > > as though the > > > > > > strips are too compressed against one another > > > > > resulting in raised > > > > > > edges. Other pianos (both Yamaha and other brands) > > > > > that I looked at in > > > > > > the showroom did not have this problem. The boards > > > > > are flat and > > > > > > smooth. The salesperson could not explain but agreed > > > > > to look into it. > > > > > > Has anyone encountered this? Is this a defect in the > > > > > piano? Could this > > > > > > be a moisture or humidity problem? Should I be > > > > > concerned? 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Re: [disklavier] Re: G or C?
2006-05-22 by Mark