> There were any DKVs in the 60s?
>
> Wow!
> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, Morris Smith <mdsatlanta@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Carol, you really need to do more research on these products. You
> are so far out in left field trying to advise someone that Gs and
> Cs are similar. They are completely different instruments. I have
> seen these instruments grow and improve since the 60s, probably
> before you were born. Do some more research and then advice and
> consul people, who know absoutely nothing about instruments, in a
> more educated manner.
> >
> > Carol Beigel <thecarolb@...> wrote: This is hard to
> explain; especially since different models are distributed all over
> the world, and often "newer" versions still have the same model
> number! The U1 upright is a good example of a piano that has
> changed many times in different markets over the years, but still
> carries the model number of U1.
> >
> > I can only speak for the G, C, and S models I have seen in the
> United States. Years ago, Yamaha made a G series of grand pianos
> that were marketed for home use. That means they were engineered
> and manufactured to a price point not necessarily the best quality.
> The C series are better pianos and higher priced; called
> Conservatory models. Then, there is the best they can do, and those
> are the S series for those who are willing to pay for a fabulous
> piano. I once saw an A series baby grand that was wonderful, but it
> was not marketed in the U.S. It's all about price point and what
> the customer will pay for.
> >
> > As everything else in the world, piano manufacturers had to
> compete in a market where people wanted to buy goods for cheap, so
> they had to come up with pianos that people could buy for cheaper.
> The only way to do that is to cut corners somewhere. You get what
> you pay for, but that is hard to explain that to someone on a
> showroom floor looking at virtually identical grand pianos the same
> size but the price points are thousands of dollars apart.
> >
> > I believe the C3 today is similar to the G3 of yesteryear, but
> there is no cheaper version of that size piano today. The cheaper
> models are the smaller grands.
> >
> > The older G series have the same stringing scales in some
> instances that the C series now uses but other differences in the
> piano actions. You really cannot generalize and say the old G
> series are as good as today's C series.
> >
> > Today's G series make a lot of compromises in the materials used
> in the case, how long the factory takes to produce them, how nice
> the piano hammers sound (usually brighter), how well the piano can
> be tuned and how long a tuning will last, how fast the materials in
> the piano action will wear out, and how long the regulation of the
> piano action will last.
> >
> > Carol Beigel
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Buddhika Wije
> > To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 5:21 AM
> > Subject: Re: [disklavier] G or C?
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> > Whats the equal version to the G3 now and whats the value of a
> good second hand one?
> > I guess the C series is better than the G series?
> > Thanks
> > BUDD
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > From: "Carol Beigel" <thecarolb@...>
> > Reply-To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> > To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Help! Serious Concern re Possible
> Defect in Yamaha Grands
> > Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 23:23:37 -0400
> >
> > In pianos, bigger is usually better. The C2 is a well-built
> piano. The GC1
> > is a cheaper version of the C1. Different materials in the case,
> piano
> > hammers and the amount of work put into it at the factory. That
> is why it
> > is so much cheaper. Try to get a good deal on the C2. Ultimately
> though,
> > you should listen to each of these pianos and decide for yourself!
> >
> > Carol
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "manhattanboy100" <manhattanboy100@...>
> > To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 7:55 PM
> > Subject: [disklavier] Re: Help! Serious Concern re Possible Defect
> in Yamaha
> > Grands
> >
> >
> > > Thanks. Carol do you have any strong views GC1 (5'3") v. C2
> (5'8").
> > > Same Mark IV disklavier system. Thanks.
> > > Ron
> > >
> > >
> > > -- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "Arthur O'Leary" <ajoleary@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Go for the C2 - it's worth the difference.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > AJ O'Leary
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _____
> > > >
> > > > From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> > > [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On
> > > > Behalf Of manhattanboy100
> > > > Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 4:42 PM
> > > > To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [disklavier] Re: Help! Serious Concern re Possible
> Defect
> > > in Yamaha
> > > > Grands
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks, I will pass this info along to the dealer. One more
> thing,
> > > I
> > > > am really struggling between the C1 (5'3") and C2 (5'8")
> models -
> > > > both will fit well in my home - both come with the same Mark Iv
> > > > disklavier and there is about a $10,000 price difference. Not
> being
> > > a
> > > > player I really cannot hear the difference. Any advice?
> Thanks!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "Carol Beigel" <thecarolb@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > What you are noticing are called compression ridges.
> > > > > Because the planks that make up the soundboard of the
> > > > > piano are glued in on all sides, when they encounter
> > > > > humidity and swell slightly, there is no where to go
> > > > > and you see these compression ridges. Eventually they
> > > > > dry out and go away. However, if the humidity was
> > > > > severe enough, those ridges can turn into cracks. It
> > > > > is not the end of the world if your soundboard cracks,
> > > > > but I personally believe there is an eventual loss of
> > > > > tone. Yamaha does put a 10 year warranty on their
> > > > > pianos.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you think the compression is severe, wait for
> > > > > another piano.
> > > > >
> > > > > Carol Beigel
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "manhattanboy100" <manhattanboy100@>
> > > > > To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 2:08 AM
> > > > > Subject: [disklavier] Help! Serious Concern re Possible
> > > > > Defect in Yamaha Grands
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi, I am about to purchase a brand new Yamaha C2 with
> > > > > the disklavier
> > > > > > feature. The piano arrived at the dealer and it is
> > > > > now set up in the
> > > > > > showroom (for tuning etc). When I examined the piano
> > > > > closely I noticed
> > > > > > that the light colored horizontal wood panelling
> > > > > below the strings is
> > > > > > not perfectly flat and smooth to the touch, but the
> > > > > wood strips have
> > > > > > raised ridges between them, almost like the "cupping"
> > > > > that occurs when
> > > > > > hardwood floor strips become damaged from water. Its
> > > > > as though the
> > > > > > strips are too compressed against one another
> > > > > resulting in raised
> > > > > > edges. Other pianos (both Yamaha and other brands)
> > > > > that I looked at in
> > > > > > the showroom did not have this problem. The boards
> > > > > are flat and
> > > > > > smooth. The salesperson could not explain but agreed
> > > > > to look into it.
> > > > > > Has anyone encountered this? Is this a defect in the
> > > > > piano? Could this
> > > > > > be a moisture or humidity problem? Should I be
> > > > > concerned? Thanks!!
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