Disklavier

I'm happy with the performance of the speakers, and don't think they block any appreciable amount of the piano's natural sound (after all, there's a bunch of other "stuff" hanging off the bottom of the disklavier pianos anyway).  I do think that the addition of an external subwoofer would help (but haven't done that yet).  I also think that the speakers themselves would sound better if they were moved from under the piano (but haven't tried that yet either).

-Kevin



----- Original Message ----
From: genohanson <obsession18f45@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 12:48:05 PM
Subject: [disklavier] Re: Which one,


Matthew,

Are you sure about the Pro models including the speakers?  My Pro did 
not come with the speakers (though I received it in February of 2007) 
and checking the Yamaha website right now it does not show that 
they're included.

But I can't say I totally trust the information on the website.  It 
took a long time for them to update the site.  My model wasn't even 
shown until many months after I finally took delivery of the piano.

Maybe this would be better asked in a new thread, but I'll ask here 
since it's on the topic.  Since I don't have them to compare, is 
everyone happy with the performance of their speakers?  I've also 
wondered if it greatly effects the sound of the piano itself because 
they are an additional obstruction from the sound coming from the 
bottom of the piano.  This is the only reason why they might not be 
included with the Pro units.  But I don't find that an acceptable 
explanation.  My understanding is they're easily removed if someone 
was concerned about any lose of sound quality. 

I ended up hooking mine to my Bose system where I think the big sound 
advantage is the subwoofer.  I wonder how many other Disklavier 
owners are running the audio through an external system? 

Regards,

Gene 

--- In disklavier@yahoogro ups.com, "Matthew Teeter" <mrmuk7@...> 
wrote:
>
> yes, it does.
> 
> On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 6:12 AM, Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@.. .> wrote:
> 
> >   Does the pro come with the built-in speakers nowadays?  I think
> > once-upon-a- time that they didn't, but that might have changed 
recently.
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: j109876 <j109876@... >
> > To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 6:21:35 PM
> > Subject: [disklavier] Re: Which one,
> >
> >  Thanks for the input everyone !
> > Looks like the pro is the way to go .... that is if there isn't 
too
> > much of a gap in the price. The quietness aspect would be quite
> > important in that decision, hypothetically what should I expect to
> > pay for the pro? The prices I am hearing seem to vary quite a bit.
> >
> > James
> >
> > --- In disklavier@yahoogro ups.com <disklavier% 40yahoogroups. com>,
> > "genohanson" <obsession18f45@ ...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > James,
> > >
> > > Hopefully someone else can also chime in on this because they 
may
> > > have a different experience. I have a M4 Pro and never owned 
just
> > > the M4 so my only real experience with the plain M4 is at my 
local
> > > piano store. First of all, the difference between the units is 
128
> > > increments of velocity for a regular M4 and 1024 for the Pro.
> > >
> > > What I would say is under normal listening conditions there's
> > > practically no difference. The ability for our ears to discern 
the
> > > difference between 128 and 1024 steps is probably minimal. It's
> > > there and you might be able to hear it if you're comparing side 
by
> > > side, but it might not make any practical difference. I think 
the
> > > analogy is with high fidelity music where most people might be 
able
> > > to discern the difference, but it might not matter at all to 
their
> > > listening enjoyment.
> > >
> > > One of the big issues here is that there isn't a lot of content
> > > available for the pro models. Outside of the E-Competition 
files,
> > I
> > > don't think there's any source of material unless you have a pro
> > > model and record your own. Oh, great! It records the nuisances 
of
> > > my keystroke mistakes with 1024 step accuracy! ;-)
> > >
> > > But having said that, here's where I've found it to be really
> > > valuable: when playing a song softly which I do with regularity.
> > > Because of the loudness of the piano, I usually play at 30-39 - 
no
> > > where near 100 which I find so incredibly loud as to not be
> > enjoyable
> > > if I'm right next to it. Although perfectly fine if I'm in my
> > > neighbor's house! ;-) So the extra degradations make a lot of
> > > difference when the 128 steps get mapped into the 1024.
> > >
> > > Here's what I think is happening and someone please correct 
this if
> > I
> > > don't have something right or if this is just plain wrong. Let's
> > > take a song that has the entire dynamic range of the 128 
increments
> > > of velocity. (Many if not most pieces will not utilize the 
entire
> > > range.) Playing the song at 100% volume gives you that 128
> > > increments. Playing it at 50% means every note is only hit at 
half
> > > the velocity which means the piano now only has 64 increments 
for
> > the
> > > performance. Play it at 33% and you're down to about 43. (Again,
> > > that's the best case scenario because the piano player probably
> > > wasn't hitting the keys at their absolute hardest on the loudest
> > > sections so you might be down to very few incremental steps.) 
That
> > is
> > > going to be noticeable and I believe they don't recommend 
playing a
> > > song really below 39. With mine I get acceptable performance 
down
> > to
> > > 25%, and I certainly think a good reason is the Pro version 
still
> > has
> > > 256 increments to work with when you're at 25%.
> > >
> > > By the way, if you're going to be playing the music at a lower
> > > volume, it is more imperative that the calibration is good.
> > >
> > > Gene
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In disklavier@yahoogro ups.com <disklavier%
40yahoogroups. com>,
> > "j109876" <j109876@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi everyone,
> > > >
> > > > I'm new to the group and looking for some advice as to the
> > > difference
> > > > between the DC3 M4 and DC3 M4 Pro , in reality is there much
> > > difference
> > > > in the performance level?
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > James
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
>