Disklavier

The advantage to doing it the way I described (making a piano+audio CD 
track) is that the resulting performance could be played more easily 
(without needing the computer nearby).  It could also be shared with 
others without each recipient needing to own Finale and appropriate MIDI 
hardware, having to configure their Disklavier appropriately, etc.

As I've posted before, the piano+audio CD format has some definite 
limitations, but this seems to be a case where it could eliminate 
considerable hassle.  Even the 500 ms delay requirement is handled 
properly without the need to make manual adjustments in Finale or using 
external tools.

Mark Fontana


On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 01:20:04PM -0500, George F. Litterst wrote:

> Spencer, that would be useful in this situation if Wanda had a program on her computer that she uses to play the MIDI and if that program offers 2 MIDI outputs (one for the Disklavier and one for the Garritan Aria player).
> 
> Regards,
> PianoBench
> 
> 
> On Dec 21, 2009, at 12:40 PM, Spencer_Lists wrote:
> 
> > Greetings George,
> > 
> > If anyone is interested, I can write a program to shift midi events in time to compensate for the .5 second delay in the piano's response time. Events could be shifted on a channel or patch basis. This would allow the live playing of midi files without having to make a disc. I would probably add this as a a feature to my MidiMod2 program.
> > 
> > Monday, December 21, 2009, 8:22:03 AM, you wrote: 
> > 
> >   
> > Good morning, everyone.
> > 
> > Wanda, I have a few suggestions:
> > 
> > (1) Recording from the Disklavier
> > If you use Finale's HyperScribe Tool to record your performance, all of the data that is sent from your Disklavier will be sent on MIDI channel 1 (notes and pedals)--unless you did something to change the MIDI output of  your Disklavier.
> > 
> > So, forget anything you may have read about older Disklavier files having notes on channels 1 and 2 and pedals on 3. That does not apply here. You'll be recording on channel 1 and for playback, you'll want to set your Disklavier to receive on channel 1.
> > 
> > HyperScribe has an option to record continuous data. Be sure that option is turned on.
> > 
> > (2) If you record first on your Disklavier and then choose to import the MIDI file into Finale, you'll have an option during import to include pedals.
> > 
> > (3) When you choose sounds in Finale for the other instruments, you have a number of choices:
> > 
> > --the sounds available in your MIDI output device
> > 
> > --Finale's built-in set or sounds
> > 
> > --Garritan Personal Orchestra (which now comes with Finale)
> > 
> > You'll get the best results with Garritan, particularly if you use Finale's human playback feature assigned to Garritan. But then you'll have the problem of figuring out how to play back the results and hear the piano part on your Disklavier and the other parts played with Garritan.
> > 
> > If you play back from Finale and output the piano parts to the Disklavier, the Disklavier will be out of time with the other tracks due to the mechanical delay of the piano. To avoid this problem,  you have 2 options:
> > 
> > (a) Save as a Type 1 SMF and play the file from the Disklavier. When you do, set your Disklavier's MIDI Out to Ensemble Out so that the ensemble tracks will be played by an external device. Output the accompaniment tracks to your computer. On your  computer, set up the Garritan Aria player program with the correct sounds loaded.
> > 
> > (b) Play back from Finale
> > Send all data to your Disklavier. On the Disklavier, set MIDI Output to MIDI Thru. On your  computer, set up the Garritan Aria player program with the correct sounds loaded.
> > 
> > Option B is rather complicated.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > George
> > 
> > 
> > On Dec 20, 2009, at 6:23 PM, wandamusic@... wrote:
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > I have a Mark 111.
> >  
> > Recently, I tried my hand at an arrangement where I did horns and strings in Finale, saved as a mid file,  then wanted to add piano on channels 1 and 2. Or even just 1.
> >  
> > I did it a few times and each time, the pedal data did not record. I tested doing just piano, and it worked fine.
> >  
> > I read about the different ways of recording the R-L hand where channel 3 could hold the pedal, but I believe it said it could also be on channel 1.
> >  
> > For the life of me I could not get it to work....
> >  
> > Has anyone any experience with this?
> >  
> > BTW, I tried saving the mid. files both ways, I believe lit was type 0 or 1, and only one seemed to work in the piano, can't remember which it was, but I believe with all tracks combined into one track. 
> >  
> > Blessings, 
> > 
> > Wanda
> >  
> > p.s. as an side here, Finale 10 has beautiful orchestral horns and strings. When they played ont he disklavier they osoudn=ed awful and I had to redo everything to strings to be even remotely workable. The horns especially were very cheesy sounding in my arrangement.
> >  
> > Is the way around this linking up a sampler? Or are there better sounds hidden somewhere there in the box?