Carol, I do not believe there is any way to use veloset in dkv utilities to adjust the volume of ensemble parts only. Adjustments in dkv apply to the overall spread of velocities of all instruments. However, by importing a midi file into Cakewalk (or any other good sequencer) you can easily adjust the volumes of all parts using the volume (midi controller 7 value). For midi files to be ultimately played on my disklavier, I use a setting of 90 or 100 for the piano parts and adjust the volumes of the ensemble parts to my satisfaction. For example, I nearly always use a volume of 60 for the bass and drum parts for midi files played on my disklavier because my disklavier (a DC3 IIXG model) sits in the corner of our living room which is a relatively small room and rather bright sounding with hard walls. I think that the speaker system to which your tone generator is attached matters greatly in setting the volumes of individual ensemble parts on the disklavier. For example, I have a Rush speaker mounted under the sound board of my disklavier. The Rush is an outstanding speaker and really produces prodigious amounts of very nice sounding bass. I actually installed an equalizer between my disklavier's tone generator output and the Rush speaker to control the 62 kH bass and tone it down a bit. Again, this was no doubt necessary because of the corner placement of the disklavier and acoustics of my living room. I nearly always listen to my disklavier at the lowest volume setting (-10 dB). I don't find any mushiness in the keys when I play and I play my disklavier now more than I listen to software on it. However, I should also quickly add that I am a very inexperienced pianist and my sensitivity to the touch of the disklavier's keys may not be as well developed as yours. I have Power Tracks 7.0, but I have not used it very much. I'll look into whether it has the ability to tone down the overall volume level of a musical selection without interfering with the balance between tracks. The real difficulty in adjusting the relative balance of ensemble and piano parts comes from the fact that midi files sound quite different when played on my disklavier than when played back on my computer's sound card. I have taken two steps to address this problem. One is to attach a lap top computer to my disklavier's To Host port and do the final balancing of midi files directly at the disklavier so I can adjust both piano velocities and ensemble volumes to my satisfaction for my piano and my living room. Another step that I have taken involves the main computer in the rear of my home where I do most of my midi work. I have recently (after six months of trying) been able to purchase a Yamaha MU15 portable XG tone generator which I have now attached to this computer. I find that this XG tone generator is far superior to the tone generator in my Creative Live Sound Card and makes it easier to get the ensemble instrument volumes more in balance with the piano parts before I go to the disklavier with the file. Of course it is still not the same as listening to the file on the disklavier, but it is one step closer. Finally, I have equipped the lap top computer setting on my disklavier with an ethernet wireless networking link to the computer in the rear of our house. This works superbly and allows me to carry out the high speed transfer of files at will between the two computers. Tom Carol Beigel wrote: > I have used Veloset to "quiet" DKV files and find it worked great for > quieting the piano part, but then I can't hear the ensemble sounds. I have > set the TG balance to 100 so that is not the problem. Is there a way to > adjust the volume of the ensemble sounds separately? > > All DKVs should be able to handle velocities of less than 25. In > Maintenance Mode the PPP (softest) value can be adjusted for each note. The > idea is to set it so the note just barely sounds. Depending upon the > friction in the piano action, these PPP values can range from 4 to over 25. > Since the volume is usually too loud on a DKV, you usually don't have to > worry about setting the PPP values too low as you can always turn up the > volume. > > My wanting to lower the volume on the music I play on my upright Mark II is > to be able to set the volume control to nothing lower than -4. At -4, the > soft pedal is engaged - moving the hammer rail closer to the strings and > thereby putting too much slush is the touch of the piano keys. If I forget > to reset the volume control to greater to -4 (-3 to 0) when I want to play > the piano, then the touch of the keys is mushy. > > You can set the velocity as a percentage using Giebler. I noticed in the > advertisement for Power Tracks Pro Audio 7.0 the mixer has been enhanced > with a new Master Vomume control that allows you to change overall levels > without affeecting individual tracks. Does anyone have experince with this? > > Carol Beigel > > > >> From: "Thomas N. Wheeler" <tnwheeler@...> >> Reply-To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com >> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Ideal Range for Velocity >> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:38:44 -0400 >> >> Joan, >> >> A quick and effective means of controlling velocities on the disklavier >> is to adjust the velocities using Veloset in the dkv utils software >> package that is available within the files of the disklavier e-Groups >> site. Via a pair of sliders Veloset allows for adjustment of velocities >> and is a quite effective means of setting the dynamic range within a >> piece of music. >> >> Tom >> >> P.S. If you are unable to locate or download the dkv utilities for any >> reason, send me a private e-mail and I'll send the zipped package to >> you. The zipped file contains instructions for using these valuable >> utilities and is only 26 kB in size. >> >> joannagalt@... wrote: >> >>> Thank you for the extensive explanation. I will try your >>> suggestions this weekend. >>> >>> Joan >>> >>> --- In disklavier@y..., "Robert E. Welcyng" <rwelcyng@a...> wrote: >>> >>>> The short story is . . . keep the note velocities within the range >>> >>> of 25 to 95. >>> >>>> To decide what velocity changes to make for any given file, it is >>> >>> helpful to >>> >>>> first produce and study a histogram of the original note velocity >>> >>> distribution. >>> >>>> The histogram will enable you to determine whether the highest and >>> >>> lowest >>> >>>> velocity values are outliers or part of the pattern. >>>> >>>> You may use a combination of note velocity alterations: scaling by >>> >>> a percentage, >>> >>>> offsetting by adding or subtracting a constant value, or setting >>> >>> all values >>> >>>> below 25 to 25 (or above 95 to 95). It takes some judgment--there >>> >>> is no single >>> >>>> right answer. Your approach may depend upon whether you wish to >>> >>> preserve >>> >>>> maximum dynamic range or you are trying to tame a file too loud for >>> >>> your piano >>> >>>> room. >>>> >>>> With the Mark II set to volume '0', all velocity values from 93 to >>> >>> 127 will play >>> >>>> with the same loudness--that is, limiting occurs. >>>> >>>> At volume '-3', all velocity values from 96 to 127 will play with >>> >>> the same >>> >>>> loudness and at the same level as they do within the limiting range >>> >>> of volume >>> >>>> '0'. >>>> >>>> At volume '-6', the Mark II DKV will respond proportionally to all >>> >>> note >>> >>>> velocities in the range of 25 to 127, but at less than the maximum >>> >>> sound output >>> >>>> produced at volume '0' or '-3'. >>>> >>>> The Mark II does strange things with note velocities below 25, >>> >>> depending on the >>> >>>> DKV volume setting. For consistent responses at all DKV volume >>> >>> settings, it's >>> >>>> best to avoid note velocities below 25. >>>> >>>> Joan Galt wrote: >>>> >>>>> What is the ideal range to set the velocity of midi >>>>> files for the disklavier? >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Robert Welcyng >>>> Anchorage, Alaska >>> >>> >>> >>> To Post a message to the group, send it to: disklavier@... >>> >>> To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and >>> moderator, send it to: >>> disklavier-owner@... >>> >>> To reach our group's web site go to: >>> http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier >>> >>> Todd's family web site was completely rewritten in June 2001 and contains >>> some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among other things, >>> The url is: >>> http://MuncyFamily.com >>> >>> THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP? >>> If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much mail, >>> go the the web site and change your email delivery option instead. 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Re: [disklavier] Re: Ideal Range for Velocity
2001-06-15 by Thomas N. Wheeler