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Re: [disklavier] Re: DKC-850 and a DGT7A
2011-02-16 by athomik
athomik
On Feb 16 2011, athomik wrote:
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>I'm not sure of all the differences between the DKC800 and the DKC850, but the DKC800 does not have the "Piano Type - Replace/All" function, which could cause problems in some applications.
>athomikOn Feb 14 2011, kassey22000 wrote:
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>>I was going to contact the Yamaha Disklavier Support line today but they are closed for a company holiday. Has anyone else tried to update the DKC-850 unit with the 3.0 firmware? I'm guessing the Yamaha folks will NOT recomend it, yet it seems that the control units are identical at least physically from what I can tell. My local dealer tech doesn't really know either way.
>>>If you've had problems, please let us know as I'm SO anxious to get some of these new features and storing the silly 1980's remote away in the piano bench :-)
>>thanks!
>>>--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "whitestarline123@..." wrote:
>>>>> Hi Everyone, I have owned the DKC850 box now for quite awhile. The first
>>> thing I did was download the E3 disklavier update from the E3 website. I
>>> installed this update to my new unit and I have been able to use all of the
>>> features including the ipad/iphone app to control my piano. The only
>>> problem that I have experienced is not being able to use my silent feature.
>>> When I depress the centre pedal I cannot get any sound from the piano in my
>>> stereo system.
>>> Also I cannot get the keys to stop moving when playing back a song. The
>>> control unit is set up as a replacement for the old unit. Apart from that I
>>> am happy to report everything else works great.
>>> As far as the app to control the dkv goes I would like to see us non mkIV
>>> owners access the pianosoft library feature. This would be great to have so
>>> we could store all of our purchased pianosoft plus Audio albums for quick
>>> access.
>>> Currently the only way to play these is to use the cd drive or load the
>>> files via computer. I hope Yamaha provide a DKC850 specific update soon but
>>> until then the E3 update is the only option and it works for me.
>>> My piano is a dkv mkII XG Silent upright.
>>> If the update does not work for anyone a factory restore would put it back
>>> as it was. I hope this helps.
>>> >> >> >> >> -------Original Message-------
>>> >> From: kassey22000
>>> Date: 2/14/2011 12:15:05 PM
>>> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>>> Subject: [disklavier] Re: DKC-850 and a DGT7A
>>> >> >> Very thorough overview of the differences. I also upgraded my DC5-PRO Mark
>>> IIXG to the DKC-850 without much trouble. A few additional observations:
>>> >> 1. the DKC-850 has firmware version 2.5, not 3.0 like the E-3 recent update.
>>> So for now we will not be able to use some of the advanced features like
>>> iPhone controller, screen brightness adjustment and other nifty features 3.0
>>> users enjoy. If anyone has contacts within the Disklavier team at Yamaha, I
>>> would love to propose an email campaign to let them know how much we'd love
>>> to have the DKC-850 new firmware features.
>>> >> 2. the 850 bracket that is provided separately is set up for Right-side
>>> installation only. I find having any head-unit on the right makes sitting
>>> down to the piano a pain, and doesn't look very classy from the curved side
>>> of the piano.... a vantage point most of us have for our pianos (and why
>>> Yamaha moved the E-3 over to the left).
>>> I was able to modify the bracket by a.) removing the two bracket tabs on the
>>> left side of the bracket, b.) moving the silent control unit (on the
>>> MKII-Pro) slightly over to the left thereby accommodating both the 850 and
>>> the silent controller. I think it looks terrific.
>>> >> 3. because the Pro models did not have an amplifier, nor speakers. I
>>> followed the 850 instructions and ran the supplied cables from the audio out
>>> on the 850 to a set of M-audio studiophile AV-40 powered speakers and
>>> mounted those on the wall below the piano to keep them out of site and off
>>> the underside of the piano where sympathetic vibrations can be a pain. While
>>> adjusting the sound volume can be tricky for both .FIL and .Mid files with
>>> ensemble, this can be accomplished by either adjusting the Voice volume
>>> levels on the 850 unit with the remote or the volume knob on the speakers
>>> set. it sounds really nice though.
>>> >> I'd be curious how many other members of this user group have purchased the
>>> DKC-850 or plan to.
>>> Best regards
>>> >> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, George Frederick Litterst
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>> > Good morning, everyone.
>>> > >> > John, I also have a DKC-850. Mine is connected to a Disklavier Pro (Mark
>>> IIXG vintage). According to the DKC-850 manual, the product is a replacement
>>> control unit for many listed Mark IIXG and Mark III series Disklaviers. Many
>>> of the listed models come with the DKC55RCD control unit which you have.
>>> However, the manual does not list any DGT instruments.
>>> > >> > The manual further states that the DKC-850 can piggyback onto to a Mark II
>>> with MIDI cables.
>>> > >> > In the US, you can reach Yamaha's customer service number and inquire as
>>> to whether the DKC-850 officially supports DGT instruments: (800) 854-1569.
>>> Let us know what you find out.
>>> > >> > Concerning your points below:
>>> > >> > (1) My unit did not come with a mounting bracket either. I have not missed
>>> it because I prefer to have my control unit on a table next to the piano. I
>>> am not sure if one is available. Let us know what you find out.
>>> > >> > (2) My Pro has a silent mode feature in which the hammers are prevented
>>> from hitting the strings and I hear a digital piano sample instead. As with
>>> your DGT7A, I used to have the option of setting another voice and keeping
>>> the digital piano tone at the same time. This feature is not present in the
>>> DKC-850.
>>> > >> > Although the DKC-850 is largely a terrific upgrade for older Disklaviers,
>>> it is a downgrade in certain respects for certain customers. In the case of
>>> the Disklavier Pro, these additional features are also missing:
>>> > >> > --Playback of XP Data
>>> > The DKC-850 does not playback XP song data.
>>> > >> > --Sending XP Data On/Off
>>> > The DKC-850 does not send XP data although it does send aftertouch data
>>> for silent notes.
>>> > >> > --Receiving XP Data On/Off from External MIDI
>>> > The On/Off selection feature is missing. Apparently the DKC-850 does not
>>> respond to XP data from an external source.
>>> > >> > --Keyboard Out Split/Transposition
>>> > The opportunity to control an external tone generator with a keyboard
>>> split and transposition is gone.
>>> > >> > --MIDI Thru2
>>> > This feature was previously available in order to allow you to connect an
>>> external tone generator. The incoming MIDI data stream would get the 500 ms
>>> delay applied to it before it was pass to the MIDI Out port. This feature is
>>> gone.
>>> > >> > --Piano Part Ensemble Out On/Off
>>> > The DKC-850 gives you an opportunity to designate MIDI Out as either
>>> Keyboard Out or Ensemble Out. If you choose Ensemble Out, by default, the
>>> old control units and the DKC-850 do not send the piano part of a song out
>>> the MIDI port or USB MIDI port during playback. The old control units,
>>> however, gave you an option to turn on Piano Part Ensemble Out when you
>>> turned on Ensemble Out.
>>> > >> > --Voice: Option to have Piano Tone On or Off
>>> > This option is missing.
>>> > >> > (3) I have experience a hum as well. However, my hum does not have the
>>> same symptoms as yours, and I am not sure if the problem lies in an aging
>>> component of my piano or in the DKC-850.
>>> > >> > I have experienced a hum when I connect the USB MIDI port to my laptop. I
>>> have been able to squelch that hum with a hum eliminator. Oddly, however, I
>>> have sometimes found that the hum comes back when I disconnect the USB cable
>>> from my computer but leave it connected to the DKC-850.
>>> > >> > I have not had the time to troubleshoot the problem definitively. I am
>>> currently using the DKC-850 connected via USB to a Mac Mini and have no hum
>>> and no need for the hum eliminator. Perhaps my flaky hum problem had
>>> something to do with my laptop.
>>> > >> > TIP: You may find that if you keep your DKC55RCD control unit in place
>>> (perhaps mounted where it is not seen) and connect to the DKC-850 with MIDI
>>> cables (as described on page 10 of the manual) that you can use the original
>>> piano tone with voices that are selected on the DKC-850. This may
>>> necessitate some creative audio cabling--I don't know. I am not stating this
>>> as a solution but as something to look into.
>>> > >> > Regards,
>>> > PianoBench
>>> > >> > www.georgelitterst.com
>>> > www.timewarptech.com
>>> > >> > On Feb 13, 2011, at 8:20 AM, john felker wrote:
>>> > >> > > I have the cable installed works fine as a player and self play.
>>> > > >> > > Problems:
>>> > > >> > > 1. Mounting bracket not there.. will call the dealer. Anyone have the
>>> part number?
>>> > > >> > > 2. I cannot have Piano and Voice at the same time. On the DKC55RCD there
>>> is a "Piano ON/Off" in the voice menus, a setting that I have not found in
>>> the menu structure of the DKC850
>>> > > >> > > 3. And now the biggest issue. Amplifier HUM.. and Volume of the Voice or
>>> CD Audio being played via the AUX in.. With nothing playing there is the hum
>>> and there is amplifier hiss, and when audio CD or VOICE are played I cannot
>>> get a quiet volume.. -10 on the DKC850 is still what I would call a "normal"
>>> volume level.. aka 5/10 volume setting. The Volume dial for the DGT7A
>>> (located to the lower left) does not effect the volume of sound produced
>>> from the DKC850..
>>> > > >> > > Thanks for the help... Is there a Tech support Number to call for
>>> Yamaha?
>>> > > >> > >>> >>>>>>>>------------------------------------
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