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DKC-850 and a DGT7A

2011-02-13 by john felker

I have the cable installed  works fine as a player and self play.

Problems:

1. Mounting bracket not there.. will call the dealer. Anyone have the part number?

2. I cannot have Piano  and  Voice at the same time.  On the DKC55RCD  there is a "Piano ON/Off"  in the voice menus, a setting that I have not found in the menu structure of the DKC850

3. And now the biggest issue.  Amplifier HUM.. and Volume of the Voice or CD Audio being played via the AUX in..  With nothing playing there is the hum and there is amplifier hiss,  and when audio CD or VOICE are played I cannot get a quiet volume..  -10 on the DKC850 is still what I would call a "normal"  volume level.. aka 5/10  volume setting.  The Volume dial for the DGT7A (located to the lower left)  does not effect the volume of sound produced from the DKC850..

Thanks for the help...  Is there a Tech support Number to call for Yamaha?

Re: [disklavier] DKC-850 and a DGT7A

2011-02-13 by George Frederick Litterst

Good morning, everyone.

John, I also have a DKC-850. Mine is connected to a Disklavier Pro (Mark IIXG vintage). According to the DKC-850 manual, the product is a replacement control unit for many listed Mark IIXG and Mark III series Disklaviers. Many of the listed models come with the DKC55RCD control unit which you have. However, the manual does not list any DGT instruments.

The manual further states that the DKC-850 can piggyback onto to a Mark II with MIDI cables.

In the US, you can reach Yamaha's customer service number and inquire as to whether the DKC-850 officially supports DGT instruments: (800) 854-1569. Let us know what you find out.

Concerning your points below:

(1) My unit did not come with a mounting bracket either. I have not missed it because I prefer to have my control unit on a table next to the piano. I am not sure if one is available. Let us know what you find out.

(2) My Pro has a silent mode feature in which the hammers are prevented from hitting the strings and I hear a digital piano sample instead. As with your DGT7A, I used to have the option of setting another voice and keeping the digital piano tone at the same time. This feature is not present in the DKC-850.

Although the DKC-850 is largely a terrific upgrade for older Disklaviers, it is a downgrade in certain respects for certain customers. In the case of the Disklavier Pro, these additional features are also missing:

--Playback of XP Data
The DKC-850 does not playback XP song data.

--Sending XP Data On/Off
The DKC-850 does not send XP data although it does send aftertouch data for silent notes.

--Receiving XP Data On/Off from External MIDI
The On/Off selection feature is missing. Apparently the DKC-850 does not respond to XP data from an external source.

--Keyboard Out Split/Transposition
The opportunity to control an external tone generator with a keyboard split and transposition is gone.

--MIDI Thru2
This feature was previously available in order to allow you to connect an external tone generator. The incoming MIDI data stream would get the 500 ms delay applied to it before it was pass to the MIDI Out port. This feature is gone.

--Piano Part Ensemble Out On/Off
The DKC-850 gives you an opportunity to designate MIDI Out as either Keyboard Out or Ensemble Out. If you choose Ensemble Out, by default, the old control units and the DKC-850 do not send the piano part of a song out the MIDI port or USB MIDI port during playback. The old control units, however, gave you an option to turn on Piano Part Ensemble Out when you turned on Ensemble Out.

--Voice: Option to have Piano Tone On or Off

This option is missing.

(3) I have experience a hum as well. However, my hum does not have the same symptoms as yours, and I am not sure if the problem lies in an aging component of my piano or in the DKC-850.

I have experienced a hum when I connect the USB MIDI port to my laptop. I have been able to squelch that hum with a hum eliminator. Oddly, however, I have sometimes found that the hum comes back when I disconnect the USB cable from my computer but leave it connected to the DKC-850.

I have not had the time to troubleshoot the problem definitively. I am currently using the DKC-850 connected via USB to a Mac Mini and have no hum and no need for the hum eliminator. Perhaps my flaky hum problem had something to do with my laptop.

TIP: You may find that if you keep your DKC55RCD control unit in place (perhaps mounted where it is not seen) and connect to the DKC-850 with MIDI cables (as described on page 10 of the manual) that you can use the original piano tone with voices that are selected on the DKC-850. This may necessitate some creative audio cabling--I don't know. I am not stating this as a solution but as something to look into.

Regards,

PianoBench

www.georgelitterst.com

www.timewarptech.com

On Feb 13, 2011, at 8:20 AM, john felker wrote:

I have the cable installed works fine as a player and self play.

Problems:

1. Mounting bracket not there.. will call the dealer. Anyone have the part number?

2. I cannot have Piano and Voice at the same time. On the DKC55RCD there is a "Piano ON/Off" in the voice menus, a setting that I have not found in the menu structure of the DKC850

3. And now the biggest issue. Amplifier HUM.. and Volume of the Voice or CD Audio being played via the AUX in.. With nothing playing there is the hum and there is amplifier hiss, and when audio CD or VOICE are played I cannot get a quiet volume.. -10 on the DKC850 is still what I would call a "normal" volume level.. aka 5/10 volume setting. The Volume dial for the DGT7A (located to the lower left) does not effect the volume of sound produced from the DKC850..

Thanks for the help... Is there a Tech support Number to call for Yamaha?

Re: DKC-850 and a DGT7A

2011-02-13 by kassey22000

Very thorough overview of the differences.  I also upgraded my DC5-PRO Mark IIXG to the DKC-850 without much trouble.  A few additional observations:

1. the DKC-850 has firmware version 2.5, not 3.0 like the E-3 recent update. So for now we will not be able to use some of the advanced features like iPhone controller, screen brightness adjustment and other nifty features 3.0 users enjoy.  If anyone has contacts within the Disklavier team at Yamaha, I would love to propose an email campaign to let them know how much we'd love to have the DKC-850 new firmware features.

2. the 850 bracket that is provided separately is set up for Right-side installation only.  I find having any head-unit on the right makes sitting down to the piano a pain, and doesn't look very classy from the curved side of the piano.... a vantage point most of us have for our pianos (and why Yamaha moved the E-3 over to the left).  
I was able to modify the bracket by a.) removing the two bracket tabs on the left side of the bracket, b.) moving the silent control unit (on the MKII-Pro) slightly over to the left thereby accommodating both the 850 and the silent controller.  I think it looks terrific.

3. because the Pro models did not have an amplifier, nor speakers. I followed the 850 instructions and ran the supplied cables from the audio out on the 850 to a set of M-audio studiophile AV-40 powered speakers and mounted those on the wall below the piano to keep them out of site and off the underside of the piano where sympathetic vibrations can be a pain. While adjusting the sound volume can be tricky for both .FIL and .Mid files with ensemble, this can be accomplished by either adjusting the Voice volume levels on the 850 unit with the remote or the volume knob on the speakers set. it sounds really nice though.

I'd be curious how many other members of this user group have purchased the DKC-850 or plan to.  
Best regards

--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, George Frederick Litterst <PianoBench@...> wrote:

Show quoted textHide quoted text

>
> Good morning, everyone.
> 
> John, I also have a DKC-850. Mine is connected to a Disklavier Pro (Mark IIXG vintage). According to the DKC-850 manual, the product is a replacement control unit for many listed Mark IIXG and Mark III series Disklaviers. Many of the listed models come with the DKC55RCD control unit which you have. However, the manual does not list any DGT instruments. 
> 
> The manual further states that the DKC-850 can piggyback onto to a Mark II with MIDI cables.
> 
> In the US, you can reach Yamaha's customer service number and inquire as to whether the DKC-850 officially supports DGT instruments: (800) 854-1569. Let us know what you find out.
> 
> Concerning your points below:
> 
> (1) My unit did not come with a mounting bracket either. I have not missed it because I prefer to have my control unit on a table next to the piano. I am not sure if one is available. Let us know what you find out.
> 
> (2) My Pro has a silent mode feature in which the hammers are prevented from hitting the strings and I hear a digital piano sample instead. As with your DGT7A, I used to have the option of setting another voice and keeping the digital piano tone at the same time. This feature is not present in the DKC-850.
> 
> Although the DKC-850 is largely a terrific upgrade for older Disklaviers, it is a downgrade in certain respects for certain customers. In the case of the Disklavier Pro, these additional features are also missing:
> 
> --Playback of XP Data
> The DKC-850 does not playback XP song data.
> 
> --Sending XP Data On/Off
> The DKC-850 does not send XP data although it does send aftertouch data for silent notes.
> 
> --Receiving XP Data On/Off from External MIDI
> The On/Off selection feature is missing. Apparently the DKC-850 does not respond to XP data from an external source.
> 
> --Keyboard Out Split/Transposition
> The opportunity to control an external tone generator with a keyboard split and transposition is gone.
> 
> --MIDI Thru2
> This feature was previously available in order to allow you to connect an external tone generator. The incoming MIDI data stream would get the 500 ms delay applied to it before it was pass to the MIDI Out port. This feature is gone.
> 
> --Piano Part Ensemble Out On/Off
> The DKC-850 gives you an opportunity to designate MIDI Out as either Keyboard Out or Ensemble Out. If you choose Ensemble Out, by default, the old control units and the DKC-850 do not send the piano part of a song out the MIDI port or USB MIDI port during playback. The old control units, however, gave you an option to turn on Piano Part Ensemble Out when you turned on Ensemble Out.
> 
> --Voice: Option to have Piano Tone On or Off
> This option is missing.
> 
> (3) I have experience a hum as well. However, my hum does not have the same symptoms as yours, and I am not sure if the problem lies in an aging component of my piano or in the DKC-850.
> 
> I have experienced a hum when I connect the USB MIDI port to my laptop. I have been able to squelch that hum with a hum eliminator. Oddly, however, I have sometimes found that the hum comes back when I disconnect the USB cable from my computer but leave it connected to the DKC-850.
> 
> I have not had the time to troubleshoot the problem definitively. I am currently using the DKC-850 connected via USB to a Mac Mini and have no hum and no need for the hum eliminator. Perhaps my flaky hum problem had something to do with my laptop.
> 
> TIP: You may find that if you keep your DKC55RCD control unit in place (perhaps mounted where it is not seen) and connect to the DKC-850 with MIDI cables (as described on page 10 of the manual) that you can use the original piano tone with voices that are selected on the DKC-850. This may necessitate some creative audio cabling--I don't know. I am not stating this as a solution but as something to look into.
> 
> Regards,
> PianoBench
> 
> www.georgelitterst.com
> www.timewarptech.com
> 
> On Feb 13, 2011, at 8:20 AM, john felker wrote:
> 
> > I have the cable installed works fine as a player and self play.
> > 
> > Problems:
> > 
> > 1. Mounting bracket not there.. will call the dealer. Anyone have the part number?
> > 
> > 2. I cannot have Piano and Voice at the same time. On the DKC55RCD there is a "Piano ON/Off" in the voice menus, a setting that I have not found in the menu structure of the DKC850
> > 
> > 3. And now the biggest issue. Amplifier HUM.. and Volume of the Voice or CD Audio being played via the AUX in.. With nothing playing there is the hum and there is amplifier hiss, and when audio CD or VOICE are played I cannot get a quiet volume.. -10 on the DKC850 is still what I would call a "normal" volume level.. aka 5/10 volume setting. The Volume dial for the DGT7A (located to the lower left) does not effect the volume of sound produced from the DKC850..
> > 
> > Thanks for the help... Is there a Tech support Number to call for Yamaha?
> > 
> >
>

Re: [disklavier] Re: DKC-850 and a DGT7A

2011-02-14 by whitestarline123@hotmail.com

Hi Everyone, I have owned the DKC850 box now for quite awhile. The first thing I did was download the E3 disklavier update from the E3 website. I installed this update to my new unit and I have been able to use all of the features including the ipad/iphone app to control my piano. The only problem that I have experienced is not being able to use my silent feature. When I depress the centre pedal I cannot get any sound from the piano in my stereo system.

Also I cannot get the keys to stop moving when playing back a song. The control unit is set up as a replacement for the old unit. Apart from that I am happy to report everything else works great.

As far as the app to control the dkv goes I would like to see us non mkIV owners access the pianosoft library feature. This would be great to have so we could store all of our purchased pianosoft plus Audio albums for quick access.

Currently the only way to play these is to use the cd drive or load the files via computer. I hope Yamaha provide a DKC850 specific update soon but until then the E3 update is the only option and it works for me.

My piano is a dkv mkII XG Silent upright.

If the update does not work for anyone a factory restore would put it back as it was. I hope this helps.

-------Original Message-------

From: kassey22000

Date: 2/14/2011 12:15:05 PM

To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [disklavier] Re: DKC-850 and a DGT7A

Very thorough overview of the differences. I also upgraded my DC5-PRO Mark IIXG to the DKC-850 without much trouble. A few additional observations:

1. the DKC-850 has firmware version 2.5, not 3.0 like the E-3 recent update. So for now we will not be able to use some of the advanced features like iPhone controller, screen brightness adjustment and other nifty features 3.0 users enjoy. If anyone has contacts within the Disklavier team at Yamaha, I would love to propose an email campaign to let them know how much we'd love to have the DKC-850 new firmware features.

2. the 850 bracket that is provided separately is set up for Right-side installation only. I find having any head-unit on the right makes sitting down to the piano a pain, and doesn't look very classy from the curved side of the piano.... a vantage point most of us have for our pianos (and why Yamaha moved the E-3 over to the left).
I was able to modify the bracket by a.) removing the two bracket tabs on the left side of the bracket, b.) moving the silent control unit (on the MKII-Pro) slightly over to the left thereby accommodating both the 850 and the silent controller. I think it looks terrific.

3. because the Pro models did not have an amplifier, nor speakers. I followed the 850 instructions and ran the supplied cables from the audio out on the 850 to a set of M-audio studiophile AV-40 powered speakers and mounted those on the wall below the piano to keep them out of site and off the underside of the piano where sympathetic vibrations can be a pain. While adjusting the sound volume can be tricky for both .FIL and .Mid files with ensemble, this can be accomplished by either adjusting the Voice volume levels on the 850 unit with the remote or the volume knob on the speakers set. it sounds really nice though.

I'd be curious how many other members of this user group have purchased the DKC-850 or plan to.
Best regards

--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, George Frederick Litterst wrote:
>
> Good morning, everyone.
>
> John, I also have a DKC-850. Mine is connected to a Disklavier Pro (Mark IIXG vintage). According to the DKC-850 manual, the product is a replacement control unit for many listed Mark IIXG and Mark III series Disklaviers. Many of the listed models come with the DKC55RCD control unit which you have. However, the manual does not list any DGT instruments.
>
> The manual further states that the DKC-850 can piggyback onto to a Mark II with MIDI cables.
>
> In the US, you can reach Yamaha's customer service number and inquire as to whether the DKC-850 officially supports DGT instruments: (800) 854-1569. Let us know what you find out.
>
> Concerning your points below:
>
> (1) My unit did not come with a mounting bracket either. I have not missed it because I prefer to have my control unit on a table next to the piano. I am not sure if one is available. Let us know what you find out.
>
> (2) My Pro has a silent mode feature in which the hammers are prevented from hitting the strings and I hear a digital piano sample instead. As with your DGT7A, I used to have the option of setting another voice and keeping the digital piano tone at the same time. This feature is not present in the DKC-850.
>
> Although the DKC-850 is largely a terrific upgrade for older Disklaviers, it is a downgrade in certain respects for certain customers. In the case of the Disklavier Pro, these additional features are also missing:
>
> --Playback of XP Data
> The DKC-850 does not playback XP song data.
>
> --Sending XP Data On/Off
> The DKC-850 does not send XP data although it does send aftertouch data for silent notes.
>
> --Receiving XP Data On/Off from External MIDI
> The On/Off selection feature is missing. Apparently the DKC-850 does not respond to XP data from an external source.
>
> --Keyboard Out Split/Transposition
> The opportunity to control an external tone generator with a keyboard split and transposition is gone.
>
>; --MIDI Thru2
> This feature was previously available in order to allow you to connect an external tone generator. The incoming MIDI data stream would get the 500 ms delay applied to it before it was pass to the MIDI Out port. This feature is gone.
>
> --Piano Part Ensemble Out On/Off
> The DKC-850 gives you an opportunity to designate MIDI Out as either Keyboard Out or Ensemble Out. If you choose Ensemble Out, by default, the old control units and the DKC-850 do not send the piano part of a song out the MIDI port or USB MIDI port during playback. The old control units, however, gave you an option to turn on Piano Part Ensemble Out when you turned on Ensemble Out.
>
> --Voice: Option to have Piano Tone On or Off
> This option is missing.
>
> (3) I have experience a hum as well. However, my hum does not have the same symptoms as yours, and I am not sure if the problem lies in an aging component of my piano or in the DKC-850.
>
> I have experienced a hum when I connect the USB MIDI port to my laptop. I have been able to squelch that hum with a hum eliminator. Oddly, however, I have sometimes found that the hum comes back when I disconnect the USB cable from my computer but leave it connected to the DKC-850.
>
> I have not had the time to troubleshoot the problem definitively. I am currently using the DKC-850 connected via USB to a Mac Mini and have no hum and no need for the hum eliminator. Perhaps my flaky hum problem had something to do with my laptop.
>
> TIP: You may find that if you keep your DKC55RCD control unit in place (perhaps mounted where it is not seen) and connect to the DKC-850 with MIDI cables (as described on page 10 of the manual) that you can use the original piano tone with voices that are selected on the DKC-850. This may necessitate some creative audio cabling--I don't know. I am not stating this as a solution but as something to look into.
>
> Regards,
> PianoBench
>
> www.georgelitterst.com
> www.timewarptech.com
>
> On Feb 13, 2011, at 8:20 AM, john felker wrote:
>;
> > I have the cable installed works fine as a player and self play.
> >
> > Problems:
> >
> > 1. Mounting bracket not there.. will call the dealer. Anyone have the part number?
> >
> > 2. I cannot have Piano and Voice at the same time. On the DKC55RCD there is a "Piano ON/Off" in the voice menus, a setting that I have not found in the menu structure of the DKC850
> >
> > 3. And now the biggest issue. Amplifier HUM.. and Volume of the Voice or CD Audio being played via the AUX in.. With nothing playing there is the hum and there is amplifier hiss, and when audio CD or VOICE are played I cannot get a quiet volume.. -10 on the DKC850 is still what I would call a "normal" volume level.. aka 5/10 volume setting. The Volume dial for the DGT7A (located to the lower left) does not effect the volume of sound produced from the DKC850..
> >
> > Thanks for the help... Is there a Tech support Number to call for Yamaha?
> >
> >
>

Re: DKC-850 and a DGT7A

2011-02-14 by kassey22000

I was going to contact the Yamaha Disklavier Support line today but they are closed for a company holiday.  Has anyone else tried to update the DKC-850 unit with the 3.0 firmware?  I'm guessing the Yamaha folks will NOT recomend it, yet it seems that the control units are identical at least physically from what I can tell.  My local dealer tech doesn't really know either way.  

If you've had problems, please let us know as I'm SO anxious to get some of these new features and storing the silly 1980's remote away in the piano bench :-)
thanks!

--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "whitestarline123@..." <whitestarline123@...> wrote:

Show quoted textHide quoted text

>
> Hi Everyone, I have owned the DKC850 box now for quite awhile. The first
> thing I did was download the E3 disklavier update from the E3 website. I
> installed this update to my new unit and I have been able to use all of the
> features including the ipad/iphone app to control my piano.  The only
> problem that I have experienced is not being able to use my silent feature.
> When I depress the centre pedal I cannot get any sound from the piano in my
> stereo system.
> Also I cannot get the keys to stop moving when playing back a song. The
> control unit is set up as a replacement for the old unit. Apart from that I
> am happy to report everything else works great. 
> As far as the app to control the dkv goes I would like to see us non mkIV
> owners access the pianosoft library feature. This would be great to have so
> we could store all of our purchased pianosoft plus Audio albums for quick
> access.
> Currently the only way to play these is to use the cd drive or load the
> files via computer. I hope Yamaha provide a DKC850 specific update soon but
> until then the E3 update is the only option and it works for me.
> My piano is a dkv mkII XG Silent upright.
> If the update does not work for anyone a factory restore would put it back
> as it was. I hope this helps.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> -------Original Message-------
>  
> From: kassey22000
> Date: 2/14/2011 12:15:05 PM
> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [disklavier] Re: DKC-850 and a DGT7A
>  
>   
> Very thorough overview of the differences. I also upgraded my DC5-PRO Mark
> IIXG to the DKC-850 without much trouble. A few additional observations:
> 
> 1. the DKC-850 has firmware version 2.5, not 3.0 like the E-3 recent update.
> So for now we will not be able to use some of the advanced features like
> iPhone controller, screen brightness adjustment and other nifty features 3.0
> users enjoy. If anyone has contacts within the Disklavier team at Yamaha, I
> would love to propose an email campaign to let them know how much we'd love
> to have the DKC-850 new firmware features.
> 
> 2. the 850 bracket that is provided separately is set up for Right-side
> installation only. I find having any head-unit on the right makes sitting
> down to the piano a pain, and doesn't look very classy from the curved side
> of the piano.... a vantage point most of us have for our pianos (and why
> Yamaha moved the E-3 over to the left). 
> I was able to modify the bracket by a.) removing the two bracket tabs on the
> left side of the bracket, b.) moving the silent control unit (on the
> MKII-Pro) slightly over to the left thereby accommodating both the 850 and
> the silent controller. I think it looks terrific.
> 
> 3. because the Pro models did not have an amplifier, nor speakers. I
> followed the 850 instructions and ran the supplied cables from the audio out
> on the 850 to a set of M-audio studiophile AV-40 powered speakers and
> mounted those on the wall below the piano to keep them out of site and off
> the underside of the piano where sympathetic vibrations can be a pain. While
> adjusting the sound volume can be tricky for both .FIL and .Mid files with
> ensemble, this can be accomplished by either adjusting the Voice volume
> levels on the 850 unit with the remote or the volume knob on the speakers
> set. it sounds really nice though.
> 
> I'd be curious how many other members of this user group have purchased the
> DKC-850 or plan to. 
> Best regards
> 
> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, George Frederick Litterst <PianoBench@
> > wrote:
> >
> > Good morning, everyone.
> > 
> > John, I also have a DKC-850. Mine is connected to a Disklavier Pro (Mark
> IIXG vintage). According to the DKC-850 manual, the product is a replacement
> control unit for many listed Mark IIXG and Mark III series Disklaviers. Many
> of the listed models come with the DKC55RCD control unit which you have.
> However, the manual does not list any DGT instruments. 
> > 
> > The manual further states that the DKC-850 can piggyback onto to a Mark II
> with MIDI cables.
> > 
> > In the US, you can reach Yamaha's customer service number and inquire as
> to whether the DKC-850 officially supports DGT instruments: (800) 854-1569.
> Let us know what you find out.
> > 
> > Concerning your points below:
> > 
> > (1) My unit did not come with a mounting bracket either. I have not missed
> it because I prefer to have my control unit on a table next to the piano. I
> am not sure if one is available. Let us know what you find out.
> > 
> > (2) My Pro has a silent mode feature in which the hammers are prevented
> from hitting the strings and I hear a digital piano sample instead. As with
> your DGT7A, I used to have the option of setting another voice and keeping
> the digital piano tone at the same time. This feature is not present in the
> DKC-850.
> > 
> > Although the DKC-850 is largely a terrific upgrade for older Disklaviers,
> it is a downgrade in certain respects for certain customers. In the case of
> the Disklavier Pro, these additional features are also missing:
> > 
> > --Playback of XP Data
> > The DKC-850 does not playback XP song data.
> > 
> > --Sending XP Data On/Off
> > The DKC-850 does not send XP data although it does send aftertouch data
> for silent notes.
> > 
> > --Receiving XP Data On/Off from External MIDI
> > The On/Off selection feature is missing. Apparently the DKC-850 does not
> respond to XP data from an external source.
> > 
> > --Keyboard Out Split/Transposition
> > The opportunity to control an external tone generator with a keyboard
> split and transposition is gone.
> > 
> > --MIDI Thru2
> > This feature was previously available in order to allow you to connect an
> external tone generator. The incoming MIDI data stream would get the 500 ms
> delay applied to it before it was pass to the MIDI Out port. This feature is
> gone.
> > 
> > --Piano Part Ensemble Out On/Off
> > The DKC-850 gives you an opportunity to designate MIDI Out as either
> Keyboard Out or Ensemble Out. If you choose Ensemble Out, by default, the
> old control units and the DKC-850 do not send the piano part of a song out
> the MIDI port or USB MIDI port during playback. The old control units,
> however, gave you an option to turn on Piano Part Ensemble Out when you
> turned on Ensemble Out.
> > 
> > --Voice: Option to have Piano Tone On or Off
> > This option is missing.
> > 
> > (3) I have experience a hum as well. However, my hum does not have the
> same symptoms as yours, and I am not sure if the problem lies in an aging
> component of my piano or in the DKC-850.
> > 
> > I have experienced a hum when I connect the USB MIDI port to my laptop. I
> have been able to squelch that hum with a hum eliminator. Oddly, however, I
> have sometimes found that the hum comes back when I disconnect the USB cable
> from my computer but leave it connected to the DKC-850.
> > 
> > I have not had the time to troubleshoot the problem definitively. I am
> currently using the DKC-850 connected via USB to a Mac Mini and have no hum
> and no need for the hum eliminator. Perhaps my flaky hum problem had
> something to do with my laptop.
> > 
> > TIP: You may find that if you keep your DKC55RCD control unit in place
> (perhaps mounted where it is not seen) and connect to the DKC-850 with MIDI
> cables (as described on page 10 of the manual) that you can use the original
> piano tone with voices that are selected on the DKC-850. This may
> necessitate some creative audio cabling--I don't know. I am not stating this
> as a solution but as something to look into.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > PianoBench
> > 
> > www.georgelitterst.com
> > www.timewarptech.com
> > 
> > On Feb 13, 2011, at 8:20 AM, john felker wrote:
> > 
> > > I have the cable installed works fine as a player and self play.
> > > 
> > > Problems:
> > > 
> > > 1. Mounting bracket not there.. will call the dealer. Anyone have the
> part number?
> > > 
> > > 2. I cannot have Piano and Voice at the same time. On the DKC55RCD there
> is a "Piano ON/Off" in the voice menus, a setting that I have not found in
> the menu structure of the DKC850
> > > 
> > > 3. And now the biggest issue. Amplifier HUM.. and Volume of the Voice or
> CD Audio being played via the AUX in.. With nothing playing there is the hum
> and there is amplifier hiss, and when audio CD or VOICE are played I cannot
> get a quiet volume.. -10 on the DKC850 is still what I would call a "normal"
> volume level.. aka 5/10 volume setting. The Volume dial for the DGT7A
> (located to the lower left) does not effect the volume of sound produced
> from the DKC850..
> > > 
> > > Thanks for the help... Is there a Tech support Number to call for
> Yamaha?
> > > 
> > >
> >
>

Re: [disklavier] Re: DKC-850 and a DGT7A

2011-02-16 by athomik

I'm not sure of all the differences between the DKC800 and the DKC850, but the DKC800 does not have the "Piano Type - Replace/All" function, which could cause problems in some applications.

athomik

On Feb 14 2011, kassey22000 wrote:

>I was going to contact the Yamaha Disklavier Support line today but they are closed for a company holiday. Has anyone else tried to update the DKC-850 unit with the 3.0 firmware? I'm guessing the Yamaha folks will NOT recomend it, yet it seems that the control units are identical at least physically from what I can tell. My local dealer tech doesn't really know either way.
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>If you've had problems, please let us know as I'm SO anxious to get some of these new features and storing the silly 1980's remote away in the piano bench :-)
>thanks!
>
>--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "whitestarline123@..." wrote:
>>
>> Hi Everyone, I have owned the DKC850 box now for quite awhile. The first
>> thing I did was download the E3 disklavier update from the E3 website. I
>> installed this update to my new unit and I have been able to use all of the
>> features including the ipad/iphone app to control my piano. The only
>> problem that I have experienced is not being able to use my silent feature.
>> When I depress the centre pedal I cannot get any sound from the piano in my
>> stereo system.
>> Also I cannot get the keys to stop moving when playing back a song. The
>> control unit is set up as a replacement for the old unit. Apart from that I
>> am happy to report everything else works great.
>> As far as the app to control the dkv goes I would like to see us non mkIV
>> owners access the pianosoft library feature. This would be great to have so
>> we could store all of our purchased pianosoft plus Audio albums for quick
>> access.
>> Currently the only way to play these is to use the cd drive or load the
>> files via computer. I hope Yamaha provide a DKC850 specific update soon but
>> until then the E3 update is the only option and it works for me.
>> My piano is a dkv mkII XG Silent upright.
>> If the update does not work for anyone a factory restore would put it back
>> as it was. I hope this helps.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -------Original Message-------
>>
>> From: kassey22000
>> Date: 2/14/2011 12:15:05 PM
>> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [disklavier] Re: DKC-850 and a DGT7A
>>
>>
>> Very thorough overview of the differences. I also upgraded my DC5-PRO Mark
>> IIXG to the DKC-850 without much trouble. A few additional observations:
>>
>> 1. the DKC-850 has firmware version 2.5, not 3.0 like the E-3 recent update.
>> So for now we will not be able to use some of the advanced features like
>> iPhone controller, screen brightness adjustment and other nifty features 3.0
>> users enjoy. If anyone has contacts within the Disklavier team at Yamaha, I
>> would love to propose an email campaign to let them know how much we'd love
>> to have the DKC-850 new firmware features.
>>
>> 2. the 850 bracket that is provided separately is set up for Right-side
>> installation only. I find having any head-unit on the right makes sitting
>> down to the piano a pain, and doesn't look very classy from the curved side
>> of the piano.... a vantage point most of us have for our pianos (and why
>> Yamaha moved the E-3 over to the left).
>> I was able to modify the bracket by a.) removing the two bracket tabs on the
>> left side of the bracket, b.) moving the silent control unit (on the
>> MKII-Pro) slightly over to the left thereby accommodating both the 850 and
>> the silent controller. I think it looks terrific.
>>
>> 3. because the Pro models did not have an amplifier, nor speakers. I
>> followed the 850 instructions and ran the supplied cables from the audio out
>> on the 850 to a set of M-audio studiophile AV-40 powered speakers and
>> mounted those on the wall below the piano to keep them out of site and off
>> the underside of the piano where sympathetic vibrations can be a pain. While
>> adjusting the sound volume can be tricky for both .FIL and .Mid files with
>> ensemble, this can be accomplished by either adjusting the Voice volume
>> levels on the 850 unit with the remote or the volume knob on the speakers
>> set. it sounds really nice though.
>>
>> I'd be curious how many other members of this user group have purchased the
>> DKC-850 or plan to.
>> Best regards
>>
>> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, George Frederick Litterst >> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Good morning, everyone.
>> >
>> > John, I also have a DKC-850. Mine is connected to a Disklavier Pro (Mark
>> IIXG vintage). According to the DKC-850 manual, the product is a replacement
>> control unit for many listed Mark IIXG and Mark III series Disklaviers. Many
>> of the listed models come with the DKC55RCD control unit which you have.
>> However, the manual does not list any DGT instruments.
>> >
>> > The manual further states that the DKC-850 can piggyback onto to a Mark II
>> with MIDI cables.
>> >
>> > In the US, you can reach Yamaha's customer service number and inquire as
>> to whether the DKC-850 officially supports DGT instruments: (800) 854-1569.
>> Let us know what you find out.
>> >
>> > Concerning your points below:
>> >
>> > (1) My unit did not come with a mounting bracket either. I have not missed
>> it because I prefer to have my control unit on a table next to the piano. I
>> am not sure if one is available. Let us know what you find out.
>> >
>> > (2) My Pro has a silent mode feature in which the hammers are prevented
>> from hitting the strings and I hear a digital piano sample instead. As with
>> your DGT7A, I used to have the option of setting another voice and keeping
>> the digital piano tone at the same time. This feature is not present in the
>> DKC-850.
>> >
>> > Although the DKC-850 is largely a terrific upgrade for older Disklaviers,
>> it is a downgrade in certain respects for certain customers. In the case of
>> the Disklavier Pro, these additional features are also missing:
>> >
>> > --Playback of XP Data
>> > The DKC-850 does not playback XP song data.
>> >
>> > --Sending XP Data On/Off
>> > The DKC-850 does not send XP data although it does send aftertouch data
>> for silent notes.
>> >
>> > --Receiving XP Data On/Off from External MIDI
>> > The On/Off selection feature is missing. Apparently the DKC-850 does not
>> respond to XP data from an external source.
>> >
>> > --Keyboard Out Split/Transposition
>> > The opportunity to control an external tone generator with a keyboard
>> split and transposition is gone.
>> >
>> > --MIDI Thru2
>> > This feature was previously available in order to allow you to connect an
>> external tone generator. The incoming MIDI data stream would get the 500 ms
>> delay applied to it before it was pass to the MIDI Out port. This feature is
>> gone.
>> >
>> > --Piano Part Ensemble Out On/Off
>> > The DKC-850 gives you an opportunity to designate MIDI Out as either
>> Keyboard Out or Ensemble Out. If you choose Ensemble Out, by default, the
>> old control units and the DKC-850 do not send the piano part of a song out
>> the MIDI port or USB MIDI port during playback. The old control units,
>> however, gave you an option to turn on Piano Part Ensemble Out when you
>> turned on Ensemble Out.
>> >
>> > --Voice: Option to have Piano Tone On or Off
>> > This option is missing.
>> >
>> > (3) I have experience a hum as well. However, my hum does not have the
>> same symptoms as yours, and I am not sure if the problem lies in an aging
>> component of my piano or in the DKC-850.
>> >
>> > I have experienced a hum when I connect the USB MIDI port to my laptop. I
>> have been able to squelch that hum with a hum eliminator. Oddly, however, I
>> have sometimes found that the hum comes back when I disconnect the USB cable
>> from my computer but leave it connected to the DKC-850.
>> >
>> > I have not had the time to troubleshoot the problem definitively. I am
>> currently using the DKC-850 connected via USB to a Mac Mini and have no hum
>> and no need for the hum eliminator. Perhaps my flaky hum problem had
>> something to do with my laptop.
>> >
>> > TIP: You may find that if you keep your DKC55RCD control unit in place
>> (perhaps mounted where it is not seen) and connect to the DKC-850 with MIDI
>> cables (as described on page 10 of the manual) that you can use the original
>> piano tone with voices that are selected on the DKC-850. This may
>> necessitate some creative audio cabling--I don't know. I am not stating this
>> as a solution but as something to look into.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > PianoBench
>> >
>> > www.georgelitterst.com
>> > www.timewarptech.com
>> >
>> > On Feb 13, 2011, at 8:20 AM, john felker wrote:
>> >
>> > > I have the cable installed works fine as a player and self play.
>> > >
>> > > Problems:
>> > >
>> > > 1. Mounting bracket not there.. will call the dealer. Anyone have the
>> part number?
>> > >
>> > > 2. I cannot have Piano and Voice at the same time. On the DKC55RCD there
>> is a "Piano ON/Off" in the voice menus, a setting that I have not found in
>> the menu structure of the DKC850
>> > >
>> > > 3. And now the biggest issue. Amplifier HUM.. and Volume of the Voice or
>> CD Audio being played via the AUX in.. With nothing playing there is the hum
>> and there is amplifier hiss, and when audio CD or VOICE are played I cannot
>> get a quiet volume.. -10 on the DKC850 is still what I would call a "normal"
>> volume level.. aka 5/10 volume setting. The Volume dial for the DGT7A
>> (located to the lower left) does not effect the volume of sound produced
>> from the DKC850..
>> > >
>> > > Thanks for the help... Is there a Tech support Number to call for
>> Yamaha?
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
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Re: [disklavier] Re: DKC-850 and a DGT7A

2011-02-16 by athomik

Make that "Piano Type - Replace/ADD"

athomik

On Feb 16 2011, athomik wrote:

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>athomikOn Feb 14 2011, kassey22000 wrote:
>
>>I was going to contact the Yamaha Disklavier Support line today but they are closed for a company holiday. Has anyone else tried to update the DKC-850 unit with the 3.0 firmware? I'm guessing the Yamaha folks will NOT recomend it, yet it seems that the control units are identical at least physically from what I can tell. My local dealer tech doesn't really know either way.
>>>If you've had problems, please let us know as I'm SO anxious to get some of these new features and storing the silly 1980's remote away in the piano bench :-)
>>thanks!
>>>--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "whitestarline123@..." wrote:
>>>>> Hi Everyone, I have owned the DKC850 box now for quite awhile. The first
>>> thing I did was download the E3 disklavier update from the E3 website. I
>>> installed this update to my new unit and I have been able to use all of the
>>> features including the ipad/iphone app to control my piano. The only
>>> problem that I have experienced is not being able to use my silent feature.
>>> When I depress the centre pedal I cannot get any sound from the piano in my
>>> stereo system.
>>> Also I cannot get the keys to stop moving when playing back a song. The
>>> control unit is set up as a replacement for the old unit. Apart from that I
>>> am happy to report everything else works great.
>>> As far as the app to control the dkv goes I would like to see us non mkIV
>>> owners access the pianosoft library feature. This would be great to have so
>>> we could store all of our purchased pianosoft plus Audio albums for quick
>>> access.
>>> Currently the only way to play these is to use the cd drive or load the
>>> files via computer. I hope Yamaha provide a DKC850 specific update soon but
>>> until then the E3 update is the only option and it works for me.
>>> My piano is a dkv mkII XG Silent upright.
>>> If the update does not work for anyone a factory restore would put it back
>>> as it was. I hope this helps.
>>> >> >> >> >> -------Original Message-------
>>> >> From: kassey22000
>>> Date: 2/14/2011 12:15:05 PM
>>> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>>> Subject: [disklavier] Re: DKC-850 and a DGT7A
>>> >> >> Very thorough overview of the differences. I also upgraded my DC5-PRO Mark
>>> IIXG to the DKC-850 without much trouble. A few additional observations:
>>> >> 1. the DKC-850 has firmware version 2.5, not 3.0 like the E-3 recent update.
>>> So for now we will not be able to use some of the advanced features like
>>> iPhone controller, screen brightness adjustment and other nifty features 3.0
>>> users enjoy. If anyone has contacts within the Disklavier team at Yamaha, I
>>> would love to propose an email campaign to let them know how much we'd love
>>> to have the DKC-850 new firmware features.
>>> >> 2. the 850 bracket that is provided separately is set up for Right-side
>>> installation only. I find having any head-unit on the right makes sitting
>>> down to the piano a pain, and doesn't look very classy from the curved side
>>> of the piano.... a vantage point most of us have for our pianos (and why
>>> Yamaha moved the E-3 over to the left).
>>> I was able to modify the bracket by a.) removing the two bracket tabs on the
>>> left side of the bracket, b.) moving the silent control unit (on the
>>> MKII-Pro) slightly over to the left thereby accommodating both the 850 and
>>> the silent controller. I think it looks terrific.
>>> >> 3. because the Pro models did not have an amplifier, nor speakers. I
>>> followed the 850 instructions and ran the supplied cables from the audio out
>>> on the 850 to a set of M-audio studiophile AV-40 powered speakers and
>>> mounted those on the wall below the piano to keep them out of site and off
>>> the underside of the piano where sympathetic vibrations can be a pain. While
>>> adjusting the sound volume can be tricky for both .FIL and .Mid files with
>>> ensemble, this can be accomplished by either adjusting the Voice volume
>>> levels on the 850 unit with the remote or the volume knob on the speakers
>>> set. it sounds really nice though.
>>> >> I'd be curious how many other members of this user group have purchased the
>>> DKC-850 or plan to.
>>> Best regards
>>> >> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, George Frederick Litterst
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>> > Good morning, everyone.
>>> > >> > John, I also have a DKC-850. Mine is connected to a Disklavier Pro (Mark
>>> IIXG vintage). According to the DKC-850 manual, the product is a replacement
>>> control unit for many listed Mark IIXG and Mark III series Disklaviers. Many
>>> of the listed models come with the DKC55RCD control unit which you have.
>>> However, the manual does not list any DGT instruments.
>>> > >> > The manual further states that the DKC-850 can piggyback onto to a Mark II
>>> with MIDI cables.
>>> > >> > In the US, you can reach Yamaha's customer service number and inquire as
>>> to whether the DKC-850 officially supports DGT instruments: (800) 854-1569.
>>> Let us know what you find out.
>>> > >> > Concerning your points below:
>>> > >> > (1) My unit did not come with a mounting bracket either. I have not missed
>>> it because I prefer to have my control unit on a table next to the piano. I
>>> am not sure if one is available. Let us know what you find out.
>>> > >> > (2) My Pro has a silent mode feature in which the hammers are prevented
>>> from hitting the strings and I hear a digital piano sample instead. As with
>>> your DGT7A, I used to have the option of setting another voice and keeping
>>> the digital piano tone at the same time. This feature is not present in the
>>> DKC-850.
>>> > >> > Although the DKC-850 is largely a terrific upgrade for older Disklaviers,
>>> it is a downgrade in certain respects for certain customers. In the case of
>>> the Disklavier Pro, these additional features are also missing:
>>> > >> > --Playback of XP Data
>>> > The DKC-850 does not playback XP song data.
>>> > >> > --Sending XP Data On/Off
>>> > The DKC-850 does not send XP data although it does send aftertouch data
>>> for silent notes.
>>> > >> > --Receiving XP Data On/Off from External MIDI
>>> > The On/Off selection feature is missing. Apparently the DKC-850 does not
>>> respond to XP data from an external source.
>>> > >> > --Keyboard Out Split/Transposition
>>> > The opportunity to control an external tone generator with a keyboard
>>> split and transposition is gone.
>>> > >> > --MIDI Thru2
>>> > This feature was previously available in order to allow you to connect an
>>> external tone generator. The incoming MIDI data stream would get the 500 ms
>>> delay applied to it before it was pass to the MIDI Out port. This feature is
>>> gone.
>>> > >> > --Piano Part Ensemble Out On/Off
>>> > The DKC-850 gives you an opportunity to designate MIDI Out as either
>>> Keyboard Out or Ensemble Out. If you choose Ensemble Out, by default, the
>>> old control units and the DKC-850 do not send the piano part of a song out
>>> the MIDI port or USB MIDI port during playback. The old control units,
>>> however, gave you an option to turn on Piano Part Ensemble Out when you
>>> turned on Ensemble Out.
>>> > >> > --Voice: Option to have Piano Tone On or Off
>>> > This option is missing.
>>> > >> > (3) I have experience a hum as well. However, my hum does not have the
>>> same symptoms as yours, and I am not sure if the problem lies in an aging
>>> component of my piano or in the DKC-850.
>>> > >> > I have experienced a hum when I connect the USB MIDI port to my laptop. I
>>> have been able to squelch that hum with a hum eliminator. Oddly, however, I
>>> have sometimes found that the hum comes back when I disconnect the USB cable
>>> from my computer but leave it connected to the DKC-850.
>>> > >> > I have not had the time to troubleshoot the problem definitively. I am
>>> currently using the DKC-850 connected via USB to a Mac Mini and have no hum
>>> and no need for the hum eliminator. Perhaps my flaky hum problem had
>>> something to do with my laptop.
>>> > >> > TIP: You may find that if you keep your DKC55RCD control unit in place
>>> (perhaps mounted where it is not seen) and connect to the DKC-850 with MIDI
>>> cables (as described on page 10 of the manual) that you can use the original
>>> piano tone with voices that are selected on the DKC-850. This may
>>> necessitate some creative audio cabling--I don't know. I am not stating this
>>> as a solution but as something to look into.
>>> > >> > Regards,
>>> > PianoBench
>>> > >> > www.georgelitterst.com
>>> > www.timewarptech.com
>>> > >> > On Feb 13, 2011, at 8:20 AM, john felker wrote:
>>> > >> > > I have the cable installed works fine as a player and self play.
>>> > > >> > > Problems:
>>> > > >> > > 1. Mounting bracket not there.. will call the dealer. Anyone have the
>>> part number?
>>> > > >> > > 2. I cannot have Piano and Voice at the same time. On the DKC55RCD there
>>> is a "Piano ON/Off" in the voice menus, a setting that I have not found in
>>> the menu structure of the DKC850
>>> > > >> > > 3. And now the biggest issue. Amplifier HUM.. and Volume of the Voice or
>>> CD Audio being played via the AUX in.. With nothing playing there is the hum
>>> and there is amplifier hiss, and when audio CD or VOICE are played I cannot
>>> get a quiet volume.. -10 on the DKC850 is still what I would call a "normal"
>>> volume level.. aka 5/10 volume setting. The Volume dial for the DGT7A
>>> (located to the lower left) does not effect the volume of sound produced
>>> from the DKC850..
>>> > > >> > > Thanks for the help... Is there a Tech support Number to call for
>>> Yamaha?
>>> > > >> > >>> >>>>>>>>------------------------------------
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