How do you make a PianoSoft Plus Audio CD?
2001-10-01 by macaw22@yahoo.com
Does anyone know how to make a pianosoft plus Audio CD? Thanks. -sean
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How do you make a PianoSoft Plus Audio CD?
Re: [disklavier] How do you make a PianoSoft Plus Audio CD?
2001-10-02 by Robert E. Welcyng
Be aware that PianoSoft performances are copyright. You are limited legally to what you can do with such a recording. If Yamaha gives you permission to copy by recording, let us know! One way to go about making such a recording is to set up microphones to capture your piano sound and use a mixer to combine the output of the synthesized sound with that captured by the microphones. The output of the mixer can be directed to your computer's sound card. Using any number of possible recording programs--Sound Forge or Cool Edit, for example--record to a Wave file. You may then burn a CD from the Wave files using Sound Forge or Easy CD Creator software. The mechanics of such a project are simple. The devil is in the details--recording in a studio-like environment, placing the mikes effectively, adjusting the mixer for good balance, etc. Good luck! macaw22@... wrote: > > Does anyone know how to make a pianosoft plus Audio CD? Thanks. > -sean > > > To Post a message to the group, send it to: disklavier@... > > To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and moderator, send it to: > disklavier-owner@... > > To reach our group's web site go to: > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier > > Todd's family web site was completely rewritten in June 2001 and contains some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among other things, The url is: > http://MuncyFamily.com > > THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP? > If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option instead. That will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the group. If you insist on leaving us completely send a blank email to: > disklavier-unsubscribe@... > > Know someone who wants to join? Have them send a blank email to: > disklavier-subscribe@... or give them this link: > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Robert Welcyng Anchorage, Alaska
Re: [disklavier] How do you make a PianoSoft Plus Audio CD?
2001-10-03 by Mark A. Fontana
I'm pretty certain Sean was not asking how to pirate an existing PianoSoft recording, but rather how to take MIDI data and an audio recording and combine them to make his own CD that will play back on the system. It would be pretty simple to make a software application to encode a special stereo WAV file in the appropriate format, which would then be burned to an audio CD, *if* we had some documentation on how the MIDI data is encoded into the second channel of the CD. It might be possible to reverse-engineer it, or maybe someone with the right contacts at Yamaha could get this information. Mark.
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On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Robert E. Welcyng wrote: > Be aware that PianoSoft performances are copyright. You are limited legally to > what you can do with such a recording. If Yamaha gives you permission to copy > by recording, let us know! > > One way to go about making such a recording is to set up microphones to capture > your piano sound and use a mixer to combine the output of the synthesized sound > with that captured by the microphones. The output of the mixer can be directed > to your computer's sound card. Using any number of possible recording > programs--Sound Forge or Cool Edit, for example--record to a Wave file. You may > then burn a CD from the Wave files using Sound Forge or Easy CD Creator > software. The mechanics of such a project are simple. The devil is in the > details--recording in a studio-like environment, placing the mikes effectively, > adjusting the mixer for good balance, etc. > > Good luck! > > > macaw22@... wrote: > > > > Does anyone know how to make a pianosoft plus Audio CD? Thanks. > > -sean
Re: [disklavier] How do you make a PianoSoft Plus Audio CD?
2001-10-03 by Robert E. Welcyng
Mark, after re-reading Sean's question, I agree with you . . . Sean would like to make his own "Yamaha Pianosoft Plus Audio CD" that could be played on the Mark III. Can the CDs be backed-up by programs such as "Easy CD Creator - CD Copier" does anyone know? (Maybe no one would care to comment publicly.) One would think that the sales of Mark IIIs would zoom if Yamaha would promote and license their process to good quality third party producers--but then, maybe Yamaha wants it all for themselves. (Imagine how far the IBM PC would have gone, if only IBM were able to write and market software for it.) Using Cakewalk's SONIC, one should be able to play stereo audio tracks and simultaneously record MIDI (to SONIC) from a Disklavier keyboard. For playback, one would need to delay (by offsetting 250 msec) the audio. This could be done with only a Mark II. I realize that is hardly what Sean is after, but it's another way to skin the cat. "Mark A. Fontana" wrote: > > I'm pretty certain Sean was not asking how to pirate an existing PianoSoft > recording, but rather how to take MIDI data and an audio recording and > combine them to make his own CD that will play back on the system. > > It would be pretty simple to make a software application to encode a > special stereo WAV file in the appropriate format, which would then be > burned to an audio CD, *if* we had some documentation on how the MIDI data > is encoded into the second channel of the CD. It might be possible to > reverse-engineer it, or maybe someone with the right contacts at Yamaha > could get this information. > > Mark. > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Robert E. Welcyng wrote: > > > Be aware that PianoSoft performances are copyright. You are limited legally to > > what you can do with such a recording. If Yamaha gives you permission to copy > > by recording, let us know! > > > > One way to go about making such a recording is to set up microphones to capture > > your piano sound and use a mixer to combine the output of the synthesized sound > > with that captured by the microphones. The output of the mixer can be directed > > to your computer's sound card. Using any number of possible recording > > programs--Sound Forge or Cool Edit, for example--record to a Wave file. You may > > then burn a CD from the Wave files using Sound Forge or Easy CD Creator > > software. The mechanics of such a project are simple. The devil is in the > > details--recording in a studio-like environment, placing the mikes effectively, > > adjusting the mixer for good balance, etc. > > > > Good luck! > > > > > > macaw22@... wrote: > > > > > > Does anyone know how to make a pianosoft plus Audio CD? Thanks. > > > -sean > > > To Post a message to the group, send it to: disklavier@... > > To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and moderator, send it to: > disklavier-owner@... > > To reach our group's web site go to: > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier > > Todd's family web site was completely rewritten in June 2001 and contains some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among other things, The url is: > http://MuncyFamily.com > > THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP? > If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option instead. That will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the group. If you insist on leaving us completely send a blank email to: > disklavier-unsubscribe@... > > Know someone who wants to join? Have them send a blank email to: > disklavier-subscribe@... or give them this link: > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Robert Welcyng Anchorage, Alaska
Re: [disklavier] How do you make a PianoSoft Plus Audio CD?
2001-10-03 by Carol Beigel
CDs that play on a Disklaviers (or Pianomation or PianoDisc for that matter) use a digital to analog converter to put MIDI information on them. THat is why you can't burn MIDI files directly to a CD; put the CD into the DKV CD player; and have the piano play. The proprietary stuff is whether the MIDI info is on the Left or Right channel. What is really different about the Yamaha CDs is that there is MIDI channel that plays the piano keys, MIDI info that plays the ensemble, and an audio track that plays through a different amplifier. In version 4.20, the Transpose function works on all 3 of these. I never heard audio transpose with the MIDI like that! To back up a Yamaha CD (or any Pianodisc or QRS CD) the disk copy of your CD burner software works just fine. Carol Beigel >From: macaw22@... >Reply-To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com >To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [disklavier] How do you make a PianoSoft Plus Audio CD? >Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 23:15:00 -0000 > >Does anyone know how to make a pianosoft plus Audio CD? Thanks. >-sean > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
RE: [disklavier] How do you make a PianoSoft Plus Audio CD?
2001-10-03 by vincentdeleur
When you play a CD from soft plus audio on a normal CD player you'll hear in stead of the piano part a lot of high beeps, this means that the midi information is not midi at all at the CD. Copying is simple, just do it on the PC, with Nero burning or what ever.... But making a softplua audio CD by yourself is still impossible. In a sequens programm like Cakewalk or Yamaha XHG works 3.0 you can record both midi and audio, but this will not do. I am trying to find out with my collegues of Yamaha Europe how they fix this . Vincent de Leur Yamaha Music Netherlands -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Carol Beigel [mailto:carolrpt@...] Verzonden: woensdag 3 oktober 2001 14:52 Aan: disklavier@yahoogroups.com Onderwerp: Re: [disklavier] How do you make a PianoSoft Plus Audio CD? CDs that play on a Disklaviers (or Pianomation or PianoDisc for that matter) use a digital to analog converter to put MIDI information on them. THat is why you can't burn MIDI files directly to a CD; put the CD into the DKV CD player; and have the piano play. The proprietary stuff is whether the MIDI info is on the Left or Right channel. What is really different about the Yamaha CDs is that there is MIDI channel that plays the piano keys, MIDI info that plays the ensemble, and an audio track that plays through a different amplifier. In version 4.20, the Transpose function works on all 3 of these. I never heard audio transpose with the MIDI like that! To back up a Yamaha CD (or any Pianodisc or QRS CD) the disk copy of your CD burner software works just fine. Carol Beigel >From: macaw22@... >Reply-To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com >To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [disklavier] How do you make a PianoSoft Plus Audio CD? >Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 23:15:00 -0000 > >Does anyone know how to make a pianosoft plus Audio CD? Thanks. >-sean > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp To Post a message to the group, send it to: disklavier@... To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and moderator, send it to: disklavier-owner@... To reach our group's web site go to: http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier Todd's family web site was completely rewritten in June 2001 and contains some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among other things, The url is: http://MuncyFamily.com THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP? If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option instead. That will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the group. If you insist on leaving us completely send a blank email to: disklavier-unsubscribe@... Know someone who wants to join? Have them send a blank email to: disklavier-subscribe@... or give them this link: http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [disklavier] How do you make a PianoSoft Plus Audio CD?
2001-10-03 by Thomas N. Wheeler
On Yamaha Pianosoft PlusAudio CD's the analog midi information is on the right channel. You can easily hear this by inserting the Yamaha CD in your computer's CD-ROM and listening to the vocal/instrumental parts on the left channel and the analog midi as a loud buzzing noise on the right channel. The left channel's volume of course varies with the content while the right channel analog midi is at constant volume. I do not believe that the Yamaha Pianosoft PlusAudio CD's have any midi information other than the piano parts on the CD. All other music including vocals and instrumental accompaniment) is from the audio on the CD -- not from midi instructions to the tone generator as on ensemble disks. I could be wrong about this but I believe that the only midi on these CD's is for the piano parts. If one has a means of converting digital midi to analog midi (and I do not know how to do this) then there should be no problems making one's own CD's to play on the Mark III or the Mark II with the DCD1. Tom Wheeler
Re: [disklavier] How do you make a PianoSoft Plus Audio CD?
2001-10-03 by Aaron.Zornes@metagroup.com
I was advised by Yamaha when I bought my DC6A disklavier to get a
MIDI convertor such as the MIDIMAN
These are now antqiues ... I purchased a used one online for $80
via a music store in Montreal but I have not had the time to test
converting digital MIDI to analog MIDI.
We know it will work ... but I haven't had the time.
Aaron Zornes
San Francisco
"Thomas N.
Wheeler" To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
<tnwheeler@nc cc:
.rr.com> Subject: Re: [disklavier] How do you make a PianoSoft Plus Audio CD?
10/03/2001
11:33 AM
Please
respond to
disklavier
On Yamaha Pianosoft PlusAudio CD's the analog midi information is
on the
right channel. You can easily hear this by inserting the Yamaha
CD in
your computer's CD-ROM and listening to the vocal/instrumental
parts on
the left channel and the analog midi as a loud buzzing noise on
the
right channel. The left channel's volume of course varies with
the
content while the right channel analog midi is at constant
volume.
I do not believe that the Yamaha Pianosoft PlusAudio CD's have
any midi
information other than the piano parts on the CD. All other
music
including vocals and instrumental accompaniment) is from the
audio on
the CD -- not from midi instructions to the tone generator as on
ensemble disks. I could be wrong about this but I believe that
the only
midi on these CD's is for the piano parts.
If one has a means of converting digital midi to analog midi (and
I do
not know how to do this) then there should be no problems making
one's
own CD's to play on the Mark III or the Mark II with the DCD1.
Tom Wheeler
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2001-10-03 by Aaron.Zornes@metagroup.com
Well, I am not sure about making back-up copies either per the
below suggestions.
For example, I used Easy CD Creator V4 from Adaptec.
The "data" copies of my Yamaha Audiosoft DK CD's won't play on my
disklavier.
Aaron Zornes
San Francisco
"vincentdeleur"
<vincent.de.leur@ To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
yamaha.nl> cc: Show quoted textHide quoted text
Subject: RE: [disklavier] How do you make a PianoSoft Plus Audio CD?
10/03/2001 09:55
AM
Please respond to
disklavier
When you play a CD from soft plus audio on a normal CD player
you'll hear in
stead of the piano part a lot of high beeps, this means that the
midi
information is not midi at all at the CD.
Copying is simple, just do it on the PC, with Nero burning or
what ever....
But making a softplua audio CD by yourself is still impossible.
In a sequens
programm like Cakewalk or Yamaha XHG works 3.0 you can record
both midi and
audio, but this will not do.
I am trying to find out with my collegues of Yamaha Europe how
they fix this
.
Vincent de Leur
Yamaha Music Netherlands
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Carol Beigel [mailto:carolrpt@...]
Verzonden: woensdag 3 oktober 2001 14:52
Aan: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Onderwerp: Re: [disklavier] How do you make a PianoSoft Plus
Audio CD?
CDs that play on a Disklaviers (or Pianomation or PianoDisc for
that matter)
use a digital to analog converter to put MIDI information on
them. THat is
why you can't burn MIDI files directly to a CD; put the CD into
the DKV CD
player; and have the piano play. The proprietary stuff is
whether the MIDI
info is on the Left or Right channel.
What is really different about the Yamaha CDs is that there is
MIDI channel
that plays the piano keys, MIDI info that plays the ensemble, and
an audio
track that plays through a different amplifier. In version 4.20,
the
Transpose function works on all 3 of these. I never heard audio
transpose
with the MIDI like that!
To back up a Yamaha CD (or any Pianodisc or QRS CD) the disk copy
of your CD
burner software works just fine.
Carol Beigel
>From: macaw22@...
>Reply-To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [disklavier] How do you make a PianoSoft Plus Audio CD?
>Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 23:15:00 -0000
>
>Does anyone know how to make a pianosoft plus Audio CD? Thanks.
>-sean
>
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---------------------------------------------------------------/Re: [disklavier] How do you make a PianoSoft Plus Audio CD?
2001-10-03 by Robert E. Welcyng
Some clarification here -- "analog MIDI"? There's no such thing. The MIDI signal that you apply to a MIDI 5-pin DIN connector is digital. The signal has two discrete values and changes at a rate of 31.25 kbaud per second. The MIDI channel of a computer sound card or a MIDIMAN interface changes digital data of one format to digital data of another format. No analog data are involved. "Analog" describes a signal that is continuous in time and can take on a continuous range of amplitude values. You will not find MIDI information carried by an analog signal. CDs contain digital data only--not analog data, despite the fact that you are accustomed to hearing music from a CD. When the digital data of a CD is processed and applied to D to A converters, amplifier, and speaker, you will hear sound--music, if that's what the digital data represents, or clicks and buzz, if MIDI data were represented. The left and right channels of an audio CD are encoded into a single data stream and upon playing are separated into Left and Right data streams by a processor in the CD player. The separated Left and Right data are then applied to separate D to A converters to form stereo audio. It would be perfectly plausible to apply only the Left data to a D to A converter to produce audio, and the Right data to a device that would convert that data to a MIDI signal. If you listened to such a CD on a CD player, you would expect to hear music on the left channel, and buzz on the right. -- Robert Welcyng Anchorage, Alaska
Re: [disklavier] How do you make a PianoSoft Plus Audio CD?
2001-10-03 by Thomas N. Wheeler
Robert, Thanks for the clarification. I think the term "analog" midi is a poor term. It is used by Yamaha in the manual which accompanies the DCD1 and, if I recall correctly, in their web site descriptions of the DCD1. While I do not argue with your assertion that the data on a CD is digital, whether it is audio data or midi data, it is certainly true that the midi data on a Yamaha PianosoftPlus Audio CD is different in file type than the SMF midi file stored on floppies or on your computer's HD. As you pointed out a function of the CD devices on the Mark III disklaviers and the DCD1 (for the Mark II disklaviers) is to decode the midi data on the CD and send it to the control unit of the piano. Thus to be able to prepare CD's like the Yamaha PianosoftPlus Audio CD's you will need to encode the midi data in the format that Yamaha is using to place the midi data on the CD. That is what I do not know how to do and I don't even know whether such encoders of SMF midi files are available. In summary, unless I am missing something, to prepare CD's which will play on the Mark II's or the DCD1 you will need to transfer the midi data to the CD in the format that the CD player is expecting to see the midi data in order for it to be properly sent to the piano. It is this format (whatever it is) that the term "analog midi" is being used to describe. I am assuming that the vocals and instrumentals on the CD are in the standard CD audio format since they will play back correctly on a computer CD ROM. Tom
Re: [disklavier] How do you make a PianoSoft Plus Audio CD?
2001-10-03 by Robert E. Welcyng
"Thomas N. Wheeler" wrote: > > Robert, > > Thanks for the clarification. I think the term "analog" midi is a poor term. > It is used by Yamaha in the manual which accompanies the DCD1 and, if I > recall correctly, in their web site descriptions of the DCD1. +++ A term possibly invented by a sales executive without the guidance of engineering. While I do not > argue with your assertion that the data on a CD is digital, whether it is > audio data or midi data, it is certainly true that the midi data on a Yamaha > PianosoftPlus Audio CD is different in file type than the SMF midi file stored > on floppies or on your computer's HD. +++ Your statement has to be correct, if only for the reason that the format of *.mid file, say on floppy, is well-defined, and the same data represented on a CD is formatted further in accordance with the Red Book, Yellow Book, or some other book and is encapsulated in frames accompanied by subcodes. You can no longer say that the data on the CD is MIDI because the program selected to read the CD data could as easily interpret it as E-SEQ file, MIDI file, MIDI stream, or some data stream that would drive a Mark III. As you pointed out a function of the CD > devices on the Mark III disklaviers and the DCD1 (for the Mark II disklaviers) > is to decode the midi data on the CD and send it to the control unit of the > piano. Thus to be able to prepare CD's like the Yamaha PianosoftPlus Audio > CD's you will need to encode the midi data in the format that Yamaha is using > to place the midi data on the CD. > That is what I do not know how to do and I > don't even know whether such encoders of SMF midi files are available. +++ What it should take is a program functionally like Cakewalk's SONIC, or any of a number of others that edit and write files that combine and synchronize digital audio and MIDI, and a program that transforms that file to a CD image in accordance with Yamaha's specification. The program that Yamaha uses to produce such a CD would be far more useful than their specification of how its done. (Everyone burns CD-ROMs, but who understands the Yellow Book?) The Mark III is like a computer with a secret proprietary operating system--you can use it with the software Yamaha will sell you, but you are limited to doing only what they will allow you. If you wish play and reproduce your own combinations of audio and MIDI yourself, there are other ways and they don't require a Mark III. Bob In > summary, unless I am missing something, to prepare CD's which will play on the > Mark II's or the DCD1 you will need to transfer the midi data to the CD in the > format that the CD player is expecting to see the midi data in order for it to > be properly sent to the piano. It is this format (whatever it is) that the > term "analog midi" is being used to describe. I am assuming that the vocals > and instrumentals on the CD are in the standard CD audio format since they > will play back correctly on a computer CD ROM. > > Tom > -- Robert Welcyng Anchorage, Alaska
RE: [disklavier] How do you make a PianoSoft Plus Audio CD?
2001-10-04 by Carol Beigel
I used NTI CD Maker; disk copy, and had no trouble copying a PianoSoft Plus CD. The copy works the same as the original. I have never had good results with disk copy using Easy CD Creator. Carol Beigel >From: Aaron.Zornes@... >Reply-To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com >To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com >CC: disklavier@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [disklavier] How do you make a PianoSoft Plus Audio CD? >Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 10:07:42 -0700 > > >Well, I am not sure about making back-up copies either per the >below suggestions. > >For example, I used Easy CD Creator V4 from Adaptec. > >The "data" copies of my Yamaha Audiosoft DK CD's won't play on my >disklavier. > >Aaron Zornes >San Francisco > > > > > "vincentdeleur" > <vincent.de.leur@ To: ><disklavier@yahoogroups.com> > yamaha.nl> cc: > Subject: RE: [disklavier] >How do you make a PianoSoft Plus Audio CD? > 10/03/2001 09:55 > AM > Please respond to > disklavier > > > > > >When you play a CD from soft plus audio on a normal CD player >you'll hear in >stead of the piano part a lot of high beeps, this means that the >midi >information is not midi at all at the CD. >Copying is simple, just do it on the PC, with Nero burning or >what ever.... >But making a softplua audio CD by yourself is still impossible. >In a sequens >programm like Cakewalk or Yamaha XHG works 3.0 you can record >both midi and >audio, but this will not do. >I am trying to find out with my collegues of Yamaha Europe how >they fix this >. > >Vincent de Leur >Yamaha Music Netherlands > > >-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >Van: Carol Beigel [mailto:carolrpt@...] >Verzonden: woensdag 3 oktober 2001 14:52 >Aan: disklavier@yahoogroups.com >Onderwerp: Re: [disklavier] How do you make a PianoSoft Plus >Audio CD? > > >CDs that play on a Disklaviers (or Pianomation or PianoDisc for >that matter) >use a digital to analog converter to put MIDI information on >them. THat is >why you can't burn MIDI files directly to a CD; put the CD into >the DKV CD >player; and have the piano play. The proprietary stuff is >whether the MIDI >info is on the Left or Right channel. > >What is really different about the Yamaha CDs is that there is >MIDI channel >that plays the piano keys, MIDI info that plays the ensemble, and >an audio >track that plays through a different amplifier. In version 4.20, >the >Transpose function works on all 3 of these. I never heard audio >transpose >with the MIDI like that! > >To back up a Yamaha CD (or any Pianodisc or QRS CD) the disk copy >of your CD >burner software works just fine. > >Carol Beigel > > > >From: macaw22@... > >Reply-To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com > >To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [disklavier] How do you make a PianoSoft Plus Audio CD? > >Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 23:15:00 -0000 > > > >Does anyone know how to make a pianosoft plus Audio CD? Thanks. > >-sean > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >To Post a message to the group, send it to: >disklavier@... > >To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and >moderator, >send it to: >disklavier-owner@... > >To reach our group's web site go to: >http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier > >Todd's family web site was completely rewritten in June 2001 and >contains >some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among other >things, The >url is: >http://MuncyFamily.com > >THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP? >If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too >much mail, >go the the web site and change your email delivery option >instead. That >will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the group. >If you >insist on leaving us completely send a blank email to: >disklavier-unsubscribe@... > >Know someone who wants to join? 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RE: [disklavier] How do you make a PianoSoft Plus Audio CD?
2001-10-08 by vincentdeleur
Carol Beigel is still misunderstanding the question I suppose, it is not about copying a soft plua audio CD, for that is no problem, just copy in the PC with any CD burn programm. All this matters are concerning how to create own, new CD's suitable for the Mark III, with audio and midi on it mixed. Still also I do not know as an Yamaha employee in Holland, specialized in the disklavier, how they do it at Yamaha's, but I will find out. Vincent de Leur Yamaha Music Netherlands Acoustic Division -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Carol Beigel [mailto:carolrpt@...] Verzonden: donderdag 4 oktober 2001 4:15 Aan: disklavier@yahoogroups.com Onderwerp: RE: [disklavier] How do you make a PianoSoft Plus Audio CD? I used NTI CD Maker; disk copy, and had no trouble copying a PianoSoft Plus CD. The copy works the same as the original. I have never had good results with disk copy using Easy CD Creator. Carol Beigel >From: Aaron.Zornes@... >Reply-To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com >To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com >CC: disklavier@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [disklavier] How do you make a PianoSoft Plus Audio CD? >Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 10:07:42 -0700 > > >Well, I am not sure about making back-up copies either per the >below suggestions. > >For example, I used Easy CD Creator V4 from Adaptec. > >The "data" copies of my Yamaha Audiosoft DK CD's won't play on my >disklavier. > >Aaron Zornes >San Francisco > > > > > "vincentdeleur" > <vincent.de.leur@ To: ><disklavier@yahoogroups.com> > yamaha.nl> cc: > Subject: RE: [disklavier] >How do you make a PianoSoft Plus Audio CD? > 10/03/2001 09:55 > AM > Please respond to > disklavier > > > > > >When you play a CD from soft plus audio on a normal CD player >you'll hear in >stead of the piano part a lot of high beeps, this means that the >midi >information is not midi at all at the CD. >Copying is simple, just do it on the PC, with Nero burning or >what ever.... >But making a softplua audio CD by yourself is still impossible. >In a sequens >programm like Cakewalk or Yamaha XHG works 3.0 you can record >both midi and >audio, but this will not do. >I am trying to find out with my collegues of Yamaha Europe how >they fix this >. > >Vincent de Leur >Yamaha Music Netherlands > > >-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >Van: Carol Beigel [mailto:carolrpt@...] >Verzonden: woensdag 3 oktober 2001 14:52 >Aan: disklavier@yahoogroups.com >Onderwerp: Re: [disklavier] How do you make a PianoSoft Plus >Audio CD? > > >CDs that play on a Disklaviers (or Pianomation or PianoDisc for >that matter) >use a digital to analog converter to put MIDI information on >them. THat is >why you can't burn MIDI files directly to a CD; put the CD into >the DKV CD >player; and have the piano play. The proprietary stuff is >whether the MIDI >info is on the Left or Right channel. > >What is really different about the Yamaha CDs is that there is >MIDI channel >that plays the piano keys, MIDI info that plays the ensemble, and >an audio >track that plays through a different amplifier. In version 4.20, >the >Transpose function works on all 3 of these. I never heard audio >transpose >with the MIDI like that! > >To back up a Yamaha CD (or any Pianodisc or QRS CD) the disk copy >of your CD >burner software works just fine. > >Carol Beigel > > > >From: macaw22@... > >Reply-To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com > >To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [disklavier] How do you make a PianoSoft Plus Audio CD? > >Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 23:15:00 -0000 > > > >Does anyone know how to make a pianosoft plus Audio CD? Thanks. > >-sean > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >To Post a message to the group, send it to: >disklavier@... > >To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and >moderator, >send it to: >disklavier-owner@... > >To reach our group's web site go to: >http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier > >Todd's family web site was completely rewritten in June 2001 and >contains >some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among other >things, The >url is: >http://MuncyFamily.com > >THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP? >If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too >much mail, >go the the web site and change your email delivery option >instead. That >will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the group. >If you >insist on leaving us completely send a blank email to: >disklavier-unsubscribe@... > >Know someone who wants to join? Have them send a blank email to: >disklavier-subscribe@... or give them this link: >http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > >To Post a message to the group, send it to: >disklavier@... > >To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and >moderator, send it to: >disklavier-owner@... > >To reach our group's web site go to: >http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier > >Todd's family web site was completely rewritten in June 2001 and >contains some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites >among other things, The url is: >http://MuncyFamily.com > >THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP? >If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too >much mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery >option instead. That will fix the problem, while maintaining >your access to the group. If you insist on leaving us completely >send a blank email to: >disklavier-unsubscribe@... > >Know someone who wants to join? Have them send a blank email to: >disklavier-subscribe@... or give them this link: >http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------- > Register Today! > "Adaptive Infrastructure: To Connect, Protect, and Serve" > META Group's Infrastructure Development Conference > November 5-7, 2001 > The Pointe Hilton Squaw Peak Resort, Phoenix, AZ > http://www.metagroup.com/aiconf01 >---------------------------------------------------------------/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp To Post a message to the group, send it to: disklavier@... To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and moderator, send it to: disklavier-owner@... To reach our group's web site go to: http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier Todd's family web site was completely rewritten in June 2001 and contains some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among other things, The url is: http://MuncyFamily.com THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP? If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option instead. That will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the group. If you insist on leaving us completely send a blank email to: disklavier-unsubscribe@... Know someone who wants to join? Have them send a blank email to: disklavier-subscribe@... or give them this link: http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [disklavier] How do you make a PianoSoft Plus Audio CD?
2001-10-08 by Danny
Maybe they are using one channel (L/R?) which is an digitized analog signal that contains the MIDI information. In other words, it needs to be 'demodulated' kinda like a modem. Then the digital information at that particular channel has the MIDI information. The other channel has the digitized audio which is multiplexed with (L/R) information that will be heard in the left and right speakers. This would explain why someone mentioned the other day that they heard a buzzing signal coming out of one speaker when played over a normal CD player. All this could then be demodulated (MIDI) and de-multiplexed (audio) from the CD within the electronics in the piano. That type of CD could be easily copied with any 'working' CD copy software. However, this type of CD would require a specialized electronic design to create it... Danny
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From: "vincentdeleur" <vincent.de.leur@...> To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 1:06 PM Subject: RE: [disklavier] How do you make a PianoSoft Plus Audio CD? > Carol Beigel is still misunderstanding the question I suppose, it is not > about copying a soft plua audio CD, for that is no problem, just copy in the > PC with any CD burn programm. > All this matters are concerning how to create own, new CD's suitable for the > Mark III, with audio and midi on it mixed. > Still also I do not know as an Yamaha employee in Holland, specialized in > the disklavier, how they do it at Yamaha's, but I will find out. > > Vincent de Leur > Yamaha Music Netherlands > Acoustic Division
Re: [disklavier] How do you make a PianoSoft Plus Audio CD?
2001-10-08 by Mark Wisner
You've got it right. One side is conventional audio data. The other side is MIDI data that has been converted to an audio format. During playback, the control box sends the track with audio data on to the amp or audio out, if it's a DSR1. The remaining track (the audio MIDI) is sent to a DSP card to convert the data to a conventional MIDI data-stream which is then sent to the Disklavier drive unit to move the keys. To convert the MIDI data to audio MIDI data requires a special device. One company that makes this device is the MIDI-MAN company. The device is called the "MIDI tape recorder interface". The tricky part is going to be timing the converted audio MIDI to play along with a CD audio track. >>> simpsond@... 10/08/01 10:38AM >>> Maybe they are using one channel (L/R?) which is an digitized analog signal that contains the MIDI information. In other words, it needs to be 'demodulated' kinda like a modem. Then the digital information at that particular channel has the MIDI information. The other channel has the digitized audio which is multiplexed with (L/R) information that will be heard in the left and right speakers. This would explain why someone mentioned the other day that they heard a buzzing signal coming out of one speaker when played over a normal CD player. All this could then be demodulated (MIDI) and de-multiplexed (audio) from the CD within the electronics in the piano. That type of CD could be easily copied with any 'working' CD copy software. However, this type of CD would require a specialized electronic design to create it... Danny
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From: "vincentdeleur" <vincent.de.leur@yamaha.nl> To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 1:06 PM Subject: RE: [disklavier] How do you make a PianoSoft Plus Audio CD? > Carol Beigel is still misunderstanding the question I suppose, it is not > about copying a soft plua audio CD, for that is no problem, just copy in the > PC with any CD burn programm. > All this matters are concerning how to create own, new CD's suitable for the > Mark III, with audio and midi on it mixed. > Still also I do not know as an Yamaha employee in Holland, specialized in > the disklavier, how they do it at Yamaha's, but I will find out. > > Vincent de Leur > Yamaha Music Netherlands > Acoustic Division To Post a message to the group, send it to: disklavier@... To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and moderator, send it to: disklavier-owner@... To reach our group's web site go to: http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier Todd's family web site was completely rewritten in June 2001 and contains some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among other things, The url is: http://MuncyFamily.com THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP? If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option instead. That will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the group. If you insist on leaving us completely send a blank email to: disklavier-unsubscribe@... Know someone who wants to join? Have them send a blank email to: disklavier-subscribe@eGroups.com or give them this link: http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Mark Wisner Piano Service Yamaha Corporation mwisner@...