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DKVs using iOS and OSX

2013-06-26 by Carol Beigel

Using an iPad, iPhone or MacBook laptop to Control Older Disklaviers

I have been asked several times lately about using Disklavier utilities with Windows 7 or 8. I gave up on anything Windows based almost 2 years ago and switched to whatever I could buy at the iLust store. The sole exception is that I still recommend for owners of Disklaviers from the Mark III and older that they maintain some form of PC that will run Windows XP and preferably older, like Windows 98 to be able to use the DKV utilities. Those utilities are the only source I know of for converting ESEQ to MIDI files or creating playlists for Windows XP (yamplayer), and can be found at www.midiplayertools.com. Some people have had success on their Macs installing a dual boot system and running Windows XP in virtual mode. However that option has never appealed to me because it still requires all those updates and constant virus protection.

Now I have 5 different Apple devices that run on 4 different operating systems, and I would like to control my Mark IIXG Disklavier with an iPhone 5, iPad 2, and a MacBook Pro laptop running Lion. Why? I am finally interested in creating playlists so I don’t need to change the floppy disk every 30 minutes! At least owners of Mark III’s have 16 built-in disks that will each hold 59 to 99 MIDI files. If you own a Mark IV, E3 Disklavier or have the DKC-850 upgrade Control Box, then your system has an IP address and can be controlled wirelessly with the iPhone, iPod or iPad using a free app in the app store. The rest of us need to use the MIDI In port on the control box.

This article assumes you are using MIDI files, either converted from the ESEQ (proprietary format used by Yamaha) using the DKV utilities, or that have the piano parts playing on channels 1 or 2. Even MIDI files that have ensemble tone generated parts will play from a smart phone, and you will be able to hear those parts as long as you have an audio cable connected to a powered speaker from the L output on the DKV control box.

iPhones, iPods and iPads run on a mobile operation system called iOS which is version 6.1 as of this writing for the iPhone 5. Software is purchased thru the App store on a mobile device. Apps purchased for your iPhone will most often run on the iPod or iPad at no extra charge, but not all apps are written for all 3 devices.

MacBook laptops, even though they are portable, run on a desktop operating system, OS X as in the current case OS X 10.7.5 called Lion. You can purchase apps thru the app store or from the developer directly via the internet. If you purchased an app for your iOS device, and want to use the same program on your laptop, you must purchase another version for the OS X device. Thankfully, two programs that are free, communicate with ALL your devices, Mac and Windows, mobile and desktop, that you will need are iTunes and Dropbox.

You will need a hardware item called a MIDI interface. For all Apple devices you need hardware that is Core MIDI compliant. MIDI Out from the interface connects to the MIDI In on the Disklavier. For the mobile devices, there are 3 brands and each costs $69.95. I use the Yamaha i-MX-1. The Apple Store usually carries the iRig MIDI, and the other brand is Line 6 Mobile II. All of these MIDI interfaces come with the older 30-pin connector found on the iPad 2 and iPhone 4, but they all work with Apple’s Lighting Connector adaptor for an additional $28 that you will need for the new iPhone 5 and iPad 3. For the laptop, you need a USB MIDI interface. These are about half the price and the most popular ones should work as long as they are Core MIDI Compliant. Mine is the MAudio Uno I used on my Windows laptop.

Now you need playlist software installed on your device. I suggest Sweet MIDI Player for the iPhone, iPod and iPad. The free version only plays part of the file, but the full version for $14.95 will run on all three devices at no extra charge. If you want to use this player on the laptop, it will cost you $29.95. You can place MIDI files onto your mobile device in 3 ways. The easiest way is to physically connect your mobile device to a desktop or laptop computer running iTunes. Click the Apps tab at the top and drag the midi files into the appropriate box. Another way is to set up a folder in Dropbox and put your midi files there. Dropbox can be used on any computer. Just click on the file in Dropbox, touch the down arrow when it says it cannot open the file, and send it to the Sweet MIDI Player. For single midi files, just email it to your iCloud email and open them in the Sweet MIDI Player.

For my MacBook laptop, I am using Rondo ($25) from fracturedsoftware.com. QMIDI and Sweet MIDI Player also work with Lion.

To get MIDI files to play your Disklavier, you MUST send the data from the software player to the interface. For the mobile device, choose Settings tab. With the iPhone, you need to turn the phone sideways to see the Settings tab! Set Output Type to Core MIDI, and the MIDI Output to iPad Accessory. For the laptop version, the MIDI output must be the name of the MIDI interface.

Make sure your Disklavier is turned on. Press the Function button, then MIDI setup, then Piano Part. Import File settings can be L=PrgAll or whatever channel you want for the piano part.

Enjoy!

RE: [disklavier] DKVs using iOS and OSX

2013-06-26 by Geoff Ward

I don't know why anyone would wish to control a DKV with an iPad, or worse
still an iPhone.  The Yamaha interface for creating playlists and playing
them is soooo limited.  I have a C3 Mark IV and quickly abandoned the iPad
app which Yamaha provide.  I use a Windows 7 notepad PC running Van Basco's
Karaoke Player to create playlists and play anything I like.  I don't even
use the hard disk in the DKV.

 

My PC is a Vaio notebook (or laptop).  I connect to the DKV via the USB
port, but not with a cable, but through my WIFI network using a wireless USB
connection from IOGEAR.  So, with a cable-free laptop I can get full control
all I wish to do.  When it comes to recording from the DKV, I also use the
laptop and Cakewalk via the wireless USB.

 

Am I missing something here?

 

Kind regards

 

Geoff

 

 

  _____

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From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Carol Beigel
Sent: Wednesday, 26 June 2013 11:30 AM
To: disklavier@...
Cc: Carol Beigel
Subject: [disklavier] DKVs using iOS and OSX

Using an iPad, iPhone or MacBook laptop to Control Older Disklaviers

I have been asked several times lately about using Disklavier utilities with
Windows 7 or 8.  I gave up on anything Windows based almost 2 years ago and
switched to whatever I could buy at the iLust store.  The sole exception is
that I still recommend for owners of Disklaviers from the Mark III and older
that they maintain some form of PC that will run Windows XP and preferably
older, like Windows 98 to be able to use the DKV utilities.  Those utilities
are the only source I know of for converting ESEQ to MIDI files or creating
playlists for Windows XP (yamplayer), and can be found at
www.midiplayertools.com. Some people have had success on their Macs
installing a dual boot system and running Windows XP in virtual mode.
However that option has never appealed to me because it still requires all
those updates and constant virus protection.

Now I have 5 different Apple devices that run on 4 different operating
systems, and I would like to control my Mark IIXG Disklavier with an iPhone
5, iPad 2, and a MacBook Pro laptop running Lion.  Why?  I am finally
interested in creating playlists so I don't need to change the floppy disk
every 30 minutes!  At least owners of Mark III's have 16 built-in disks that
will each hold 59 to 99 MIDI files. If you own a Mark IV, E3 Disklavier or
have the DKC-850 upgrade Control Box, then your system has an IP address and
can be controlled wirelessly with the iPhone, iPod or iPad using a free app
in the app store. The rest of us need to use the MIDI In port on the control
box.

This article assumes you are using MIDI files, either converted from the
ESEQ (proprietary format used by Yamaha) using the DKV utilities, or that
have the piano parts playing on channels 1 or 2.  Even MIDI files that have
ensemble tone generated parts will play from a smart phone, and you will be
able to hear those parts as long as you have an audio cable connected to a
powered speaker from the L output on the DKV control box.

iPhones, iPods and iPads run on a mobile operation system called iOS which
is version 6.1 as of this writing for the iPhone 5. Software is purchased
thru the App store on a mobile device.  Apps purchased for your iPhone will
most often run on the iPod or iPad at no extra charge, but not all apps are
written for all 3 devices.  

MacBook laptops, even though they are portable, run on a desktop operating
system, OS X as in the current case OS X 10.7.5 called Lion.  You can
purchase apps thru the app store or from the developer directly via the
internet. If you purchased an app for your iOS device, and want to use the
same program on your laptop, you must purchase another version for the OS X
device. Thankfully, two programs that are free, communicate with ALL your
devices, Mac and Windows, mobile and desktop, that you will need are iTunes
and Dropbox. 

You will need a hardware item called a MIDI interface.  For all Apple
devices you need hardware that is Core MIDI compliant.  MIDI Out from the
interface connects to the MIDI In on the Disklavier.  For the mobile
devices, there are 3 brands and each costs $69.95.  I use the Yamaha i-MX-1.
The Apple Store usually carries the iRig MIDI, and the other brand is Line 6
Mobile II.  All of these MIDI interfaces come with the older 30-pin
connector found on the iPad 2 and iPhone 4, but they all work with Apple's
Lighting   Connector adaptor for an additional $28 that you will need for
the new iPhone 5 and iPad 3. For the laptop, you need a USB MIDI interface.
These are about half the price and the most popular ones should work as long
as they are Core MIDI Compliant.  Mine is the MAudio Uno I used on my
Windows laptop.

Now you need playlist software installed on your device.  I suggest Sweet
MIDI Player for the iPhone, iPod and iPad.  The free version only plays part
of the file, but the full version for $14.95 will run on all three devices
at no extra charge.  If you want to use this player on the laptop, it will
cost you $29.95.  You can place MIDI files onto your mobile device in 3
ways.  The easiest way is to physically connect your mobile device to a
desktop or laptop computer running iTunes. Click the Apps tab at the top and
drag the midi files into the appropriate box.  Another way is to set up a
folder in Dropbox and put your midi files there.  Dropbox can be used on any
computer.  Just click on the file in Dropbox, touch the down arrow when it
says it cannot open the file, and send it to the Sweet MIDI Player.  For
single midi files, just email it to your iCloud email and open them in the
Sweet MIDI Player.

For my MacBook laptop, I am using Rondo ($25) from fracturedsoftware.com.
QMIDI and Sweet MIDI Player also work with Lion.

To get MIDI files to play your Disklavier, you MUST send the data from the
software player to the interface. For the mobile device, choose Settings
tab. With the iPhone, you need to turn the phone sideways to see the
Settings tab! Set Output Type to Core MIDI, and the MIDI Output to iPad
Accessory.   For the laptop version, the MIDI output must be the name of the
MIDI interface.

Make sure your Disklavier is turned on. Press the Function button, then MIDI
setup, then Piano Part. Import File settings can be L=PrgAll or whatever
channel you want for the piano part.

Enjoy!

Re: [disklavier] DKVs using iOS and OSX

2013-06-26 by Horatio Kemeny

Because you're having a dinner party, listening to some appropriate dinner music… and then you want to change what you're listening to, to something quieter/jazzier, so you pick up your phone, go tap-tap, and it's done. Which is somewhat less invasive than flipping open a laptop, wirelessly connected or not, and doing the same thing.

Did I find what you're missing?

On Jun 25, 2013, at 7:17 PM, Geoff Ward <gward1211@...> wrote:

I don’t know why anyone would wish to control a DKV with an iPad, or worse still an iPhone. The Yamaha interface for creating playlists and playing them is soooo limited. I have a C3 Mark IV and quickly abandoned the iPad app which Yamaha provide. I use a Windows 7 notepad PC running Van Basco’s Karaoke Player to create playlists and play anything I like. I don’t even use the hard disk in the DKV.

My PC is a Vaio notebook (or laptop). I connect to the DKV via the USB port, but not with a cable, but through my WIFI network using a wireless USB connection from IOGEAR. So, with a cable-free laptop I can get full control all I wish to do. When it comes to recording from the DKV, I also use the laptop and Cakewalk via the wireless USB.

Am I missing something here?

Kind regards

Geoff

From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carol Beigel
Sent: Wednesday, 26 June 2013 11:30 AM
To: disklavier@...
Cc: Carol Beigel
Subject: [disklavier] DKVs using iOS and OSX

Using an iPad, iPhone or MacBook laptop to Control Older Disklaviers

I have been asked several times lately about using Disklavier utilities with Windows 7 or 8. I gave up on anything Windows based almost 2 years ago and switched to whatever I could buy at the iLust store. The sole exception is that I still recommend for owners of Disklaviers from the Mark III and older that they maintain some form of PC that will run Windows XP and preferably older, like Windows 98 to be able to use the DKV utilities. Those utilities are the only source I know of for converting ESEQ to MIDI files or creating playlists for Windows XP (yamplayer), and can be found at www.midiplayertools.com. Some people have had success on their Macs installing a dual boot system and running Windows XP in virtual mode. ; However that option has never appealed to me because it still requires all those updates and constant virus protection.

Now I have 5 different Apple devices that run on 4 different operating systems, and I would like to control my Mark IIXG Disklavier with an iPhone 5, iPad 2, and a MacBook Pro laptop running Lion. Why? I am finally interested in creating playlists so I don’t need to change the floppy disk every 30 minutes! At least owners of Mark III’s have 16 built-in disks that will each hold 59 to 99 MIDI files. If you own a Mark IV, E3 Disklavier or have the DKC-850 upgrade Control Box, then your system has an IP address and can be controlled wirelessly with the iPhone, iPod or iPad using a free app in the app store. The rest of us need to use the MIDI In port on the control box.

This article assumes you are using MIDI files, either converted from the ESEQ (proprietary format used by Yamaha) using the DKV utilities, or that have the piano parts playing on channels 1 or 2. Even MIDI files that have ensemble tone generated parts will play from a smart phone, and you will be able to hear those parts as long as you have an audio cable connected to a powered speaker from the L output on the DKV control box.

iPhones, iPods and iPads run on a mobile operation system called iOS which is version 6.1 as of this writing for the iPhone 5. Software is purchased thru the App store on a mobile device. Apps purchased for your iPhone will most often run on the iPod or iPad at no extra charge, but not all apps are written for all 3 devices.

MacBook laptops, even though they are portable, run on a desktop operating system, OS X as in the current case OS X 10.7.5 called Lion. You can purchase apps thru the app store or from the developer directly via the internet. If you purchased an app for your iOS device, and want to use the same program on your laptop, you must purchase another version for the OS X device. Thankfully, two programs that are free, communicate with ALL your devices, Mac and Windows, mobile and desktop, that you will need are iTunes and Dropbox.

You will need a hardware item called a MIDI interface. For all Apple devices you need hardware that is Core MIDI compliant. MIDI Out from the interface connects to the MIDI In on the Disklavier. For the mobile devices, there are 3 brands and each costs $69.95. I use the Yamaha i-MX-1. The Apple Store usually carries the iRig MIDI, and the other brand is Line 6 Mobile II. All of these MIDI interfaces come with the older 30-pin connector found on the iPad 2 and iPhone 4, but they all work with Apple’s Lighting Connector adaptor for an additional $28 that you will need for the new iPhone 5 and iPad 3. For the laptop, you need a USB MIDI interface. These are about half the price and the most popular ones should work as long as they are Core MIDI Compliant. Mine is the MAudio Uno I used on my Windows laptop.

Now you need playlist software installed on your device. I suggest Sweet MIDI Player for the iPhone, iPod and iPad. The free version only plays part of the file, but the full version for $14.95 will run on all three devices at no extra charge. If you want to use this player on the laptop, it will cost you $29.95. You can place MIDI files onto your mobile device in 3 ways. The easiest way is to physically connect your mobile device to a desktop or laptop computer running iTunes. Click the Apps tab at the top and drag the midi files into the appropriate box. Another way is to set up a folder in Dropbox and put your midi files there. Dropbox can be used on any computer. Just click on the file in Dropbox, touch the down arrow when it says it cannot open the file, and send it to the Sweet MIDI Player. For single midi files, just email it to your iCloud email and open them in the Sweet MIDI Player.

For my MacBook laptop, I am using Rondo ($25) from fracturedsoftware.com. QMIDI and Sweet MIDI Player also work with Lion.

To get MIDI files to play your Disklavier, you MUST send the data from the software player to the interface. For the mobile device, choose Settings tab. With the iPhone, you need to turn the phone sideways to see the Settings tab! Set Output Type to Core MIDI, and the MIDI Output to iPad Accessory. For the laptop version, the MIDI output must be the name of the MIDI interface.

Make sure your Disklavier is turned on. Press the Function button, then MIDI setup, then Piano Part. Import File settings can be L=PrgAll or whatever channel you want for the piano part.

Enjoy!

Re: [disklavier] DKVs using iOS and OSX

2013-06-26 by Carol Beigel

The article was meant for users of older Disklaviers that have no wireless capability. It can be quite practical to use an iPad for many things at home: controlling the Apple TV, showing photographs, playing movies and music, etc. If one connects a wired MIDI interface to their older Disklavier, then all that is needed to play it without using the floppy drive, is to connect the iPad using playlist software. Many homes I visit have iPads and older Disklaviers. I think about 140 million people also use iPhones so it could have its uses!

Carol

On Jun 25, 2013, at 10:17 PM, Geoff Ward wrote:

I don’t know why anyone would wish to control a DKV with an iPad, or worse still an iPhone. The Yamaha interface for creating playlists and playing them is soooo limited. I have a C3 Mark IV and quickly abandoned the iPad app which Yamaha provide. I use a Windows 7 notepad PC running Van Basco’s Karaoke Player to create playlists and play anything I like. I don’t even use the hard disk in the DKV.

My PC is a Vaio notebook (or laptop). I connect to the DKV via the USB port, but not with a cable, but through my WIFI network using a wireless USB connection from IOGEAR. So, with a cable-free laptop I can get full control all I wish to do. When it comes to recording from the DKV, I also use the laptop and Cakewalk via the wireless USB.

Am I missing something here?

Kind regards

Geoff

From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carol Beigel
Sent: Wednesday, 26 June 2013 11:30 AM
To: disklavier@...
Cc: Carol Beigel
Subject: [disklavier] DKVs using iOS and OSX

Using an iPad, iPhone or MacBook laptop to Control Older Disklaviers

I have been asked several times lately about using Disklavier utilities with Windows 7 or 8. I gave up on anything Windows based almost 2 years ago and switched to whatever I could buy at the iLust store. The sole exception is that I still recommend for owners of Disklaviers from the Mark III and older that they maintain some form of PC that will run Windows XP and preferably older, like Windows 98 to be able to use the DKV utilities. Those utilities are the only source I know of for converting ESEQ toMIDI files or creating playlists for Windows XP (yamplayer), and can be found at www.midiplayertools.com. Some people have had success on their Macs installing a dual boot system and running Windows XP in virtual mode. However that option has never appealed to me because it still requires all those updates and constant virus protection.

Now I have 5 different Apple devices that run on 4 different operating systems, and I would like to control my Mark IIXG Disklavier with an iPhone 5, iPad 2, and a MacBook Pro laptop running Lion. Why? I am finally interested in creating playlists so I don’t need to change the floppy disk every 30 minutes! At least owners of Mark III’s have 16 built-in disks that will each hold 59 to 99 MIDI files. If you own a Mark IV, E3 Disklavier or have the DKC-850 upgrade Control Box, then your system has an IP address and can be controlled wirelessly with the iPhone, iPod or iPad using a free app in the app store. The rest of us need to use the MIDI In port on the control box.

This article assumes you are using MIDI files, either converted from the ESEQ (proprietary format used by Yamaha) using the DKV utilities, or that have the piano parts playing on channels 1 or 2. Even MIDI files that have ensemble tone generated parts will play from a smart phone, and you will be able to hear those parts as long as you have an audio cable connected to a powered speaker from the L output on the DKV control box.

iPhones, iPods and iPads run on a mobile operation system called iOS which is version 6.1 as of this writing for the iPhone 5. Software is purchased thru the App store on a mobile device. Apps purchased for your iPhone will most often run on the iPod or iPad at no extra charge, but not all apps are written for all 3 devices.

MacBook laptops, even though they are portable, run on a desktop operating system, OS X as in the current case OS X 10.7.5 called Lion. You can purchase apps thru the app store or from the developer directly via the internet. If you purchased an app for your iOS device, and want to use the same program on your laptop, you must purchase another version for the OS X device. Thankfully, two programs that are free, communicate with ALL your devices, Mac and Windows, mobile and desktop, that you will need are iTunes and Dropbox.

You will need a hardware item called a MIDI interface. For all Apple devices you need hardware that is Core MIDI compliant. MIDI Out from the interface connects to the MIDI In on the Disklavier. For the mobile devices, there are 3 brands and each costs $69.95. I use the Yamaha i-MX-1. The Apple Store usually carries the iRig MIDI, and the other brand is Line 6 Mobile II. All of these MIDI interfaces come with the older 30-pin connector found on the iPad 2 and iPhone 4, but they all work with Apple’s Lighting Connector adaptor for an additional $28 that you will need for the new iPhone 5 and iPad 3. For the laptop, you need a USB MIDI interface. These are about half the price and the most popular ones should work as long as they are Core MIDI Compliant. Mine is the MAudio Uno I used on my Windows laptop.

Now you need playlist software installed on your device. I suggest Sweet MIDI Player for the iPhone, iPod and iPad. ; The free version only plays part of the file, but the full version for $14.95 will run on all three devices at no extra charge. If you want to use this player on the laptop, it will cost you $29.95. You can place MIDI files onto your mobile device in 3 ways. The easiest way is to physically connect your mobile device to a desktop or laptop computer running iTunes. Click the Apps tab at the top and drag the midi files into the appropriate box. Another way is to set up a folder in Dropbox and put your midi files there. Dropbox can be used on any computer. Just click on the file in Dropbox, touch the down arrow when it says it cannot open the file, and send it to the Sweet MIDI Player. For single midi files, just email it to your iCloud email and open them in the Sweet MIDI Player.

For my MacBook laptop, I am using Rondo ($25) from fracturedsoftware.com. QMIDI and Sweet MIDI Player also work with Lion.

To get MIDI files to play your Disklavier, you MUST send the data from the software player to the interface. For the mobile device, choose Settings tab. ;With the iPhone, you need to turn the phone sideways to see the Settings tab! Set Output Type to Core MIDI, and the MIDI Output to iPad Accessory. For the laptop version, the MIDI output must be the name of the MIDIinterface.

Make sure your Disklavier is turned on. Press the Function button, then MIDI setup, then Piano Part. Import File settings can be L=PrgAll or whatever channel you want for the piano part.

Enjoy!

Re: [disklavier] DKVs using iOS and OSX

2013-06-26 by Spencer Chase

i think that the\ufffd iphone app appeals to people who use their piano as just another source of background noise, kind of like elevator music or music on hold. doesn't really\ufffd matter much what it is as longs as it is not too loud or distracting to get in the way of conversation. those who actually listen to music are not put off by the inconvenience of "flipping open\ufffd laptop" in order to make a considered choice as to what they are going to spend time listening to.

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On 6/25/2013 9:51 PM, Horatio Kemeny wrote:

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Because you're having a dinner party, listening to some appropriate dinner music\ufffd and then you want to change what you're listening to, to something quieter/jazzier, so you pick up your phone, go tap-tap, and it's done. \ufffdWhich is somewhat less invasive than flipping open a laptop, wirelessly connected or not, and doing the same thing.

Did I find what you're missing?

On Jun 25, 2013, at 7:17 PM, Geoff Ward <gward1211@...> wrote:

\ufffd

I don\ufffdt know why anyone would wish to control a DKV with an iPad, or worse still an iPhone.\ufffd The Yamaha interface for creating playlists and playing them is soooo limited.\ufffd I have a C3 Mark IV and quickly abandoned the iPad app which Yamaha provide.\ufffd I use a Windows 7 notepad PC running Van Basco\ufffds Karaoke Player to create playlists and play anything I like.\ufffd I don\ufffdt even use the hard disk in the DKV.

\ufffd

My PC is a Vaio notebook (or laptop).\ufffd I connect to the DKV via the USB port, but not with a cable, but through my WIFI network using a wireless USB connection from IOGEAR.\ufffd So, with a cable-free laptop I can get full control all I wish to do.\ufffd When it comes to recording from the DKV, I also use the laptop and Cakewalk via the wireless USB.

\ufffd

Am I missing something here?

\ufffd

Kind regards

\ufffd

Geoff

\ufffd

\ufffd

From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carol Beigel
Sent: Wednesday, 26 June 2013 11:30 AM
To: disklavier@...
Cc: Carol Beigel
Subject: [disklavier] DKVs using iOS and OSX

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Using an iPad, iPhone or MacBook laptop to Control Older Disklaviers

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I have been asked several times lately about using Disklavier utilities with Windows 7 or 8.\ufffd I gave up on anything Windows based almost 2 years ago and switched to whatever I could buy at the iLust store.\ufffd The sole exception is that I still recommend for owners of Disklaviers from the Mark III and older that they maintain some form of PC that will run Windows XP and preferably older, like Windows 98 to be able to use the DKV utilities.\ufffd Those utilities are the only source I know of for converting ESEQ to MIDI files or creating playlists for Windows XP (yamplayer), and can be found at www.midiplayertools.com. Some people have had success on their Macs installing a dual boot system and running Windows XP in virtual mode.\ufffd However that option has never appealed to me because it still requires all those updates and constant virus protection.

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Now I have 5 different Apple devices that run on 4 different operating systems, and I would like to control my Mark IIXG Disklavier with an iPhone 5, iPad 2, and a MacBook Pro laptop running Lion.\ufffd Why?\ufffd I am finally interested in creating playlists so I don\ufffdt need to change the floppy disk every 30 minutes!\ufffd At least owners of Mark III\ufffds have 16 built-in disks that will each hold 59 to 99 MIDI files. If you own a Mark IV, E3 Disklavier or have the DKC-850 upgrade Control Box, then your system has an IP address and can be controlled wirelessly with the iPhone, iPod or iPad using a free app in the app store. The rest of us need to use the MIDI In port on the control box.

\ufffd

This article assumes you are using MIDI files, either converted from the ESEQ (proprietary format used by Yamaha) using the DKV utilities, or that have the piano parts playing on channels 1 or 2.\ufffd Even MIDI files that have ensemble tone generated parts will play from a smart phone, and you will be able to hear those parts as long as you have an audio cable connected to a powered speaker from the L output on the DKV control box.

\ufffd

iPhones, iPods and iPads run on a mobile operation system called iOS which is version 6.1 as of this writing for the iPhone 5. Software is purchased thru the App store on a mobile device.\ufffd Apps purchased for your iPhone will most often run on the iPod or iPad at no extra charge, but not all apps are written for all 3 devices. \ufffd

\ufffd

MacBook laptops, even though they are portable, run on a desktop operating system, OS X as in the current case OS X 10.7.5 called Lion.\ufffd You can purchase apps thru the app store or from the developer directly via the internet. If you purchased an app for your iOS device, and want to use the same program on your laptop, you must purchase another version for the OS X device. Thankfully, two programs that are free, communicate with ALL your devices, Mac and Windows, mobile and desktop, that you will need are iTunes and Dropbox.\ufffd

\ufffd

You will need a hardware item called a MIDI interface.\ufffd For all Apple devices you need hardware that is Core MIDI compliant.\ufffd MIDI Out from the interface connects to the MIDI In on the Disklavier.\ufffd For the mobile devices, there are 3 brands and each costs $69.95.\ufffd I use the Yamaha i-MX-1.\ufffd The Apple Store usually carries the iRig MIDI, and the other brand is Line 6 Mobile II.\ufffd All of these MIDI interfaces come with the older 30-pin connector found on the iPad 2 and iPhone 4, but they all work with Apple\ufffds Lighting \ufffd Connector adaptor for an additional $28 that you will need for the new iPhone 5 and iPad 3. For the laptop, you need a USB MIDI interface.\ufffd These are about half the price and the most popular ones should work as long as they are Core MIDI Compliant.\ufffd Mine is the MAudio Uno I used on my Windows laptop.

\ufffd

Now you need playlist software installed on your device.\ufffd I suggest Sweet MIDI Player for the iPhone, iPod and iPad.\ufffd The free version only plays part of the file, but the full version for $14.95 will run on all three devices at no extra charge.\ufffd If you want to use this player on the laptop, it will cost you $29.95.\ufffd You can place MIDI files onto your mobile device in 3 ways.\ufffd The easiest way is to physically connect your mobile device to a desktop or laptop computer running iTunes. Click the Apps tab at the top and drag the midi files into the appropriate box.\ufffd Another way is to set up a folder in Dropbox and put your midi files there.\ufffd Dropbox can be used on any computer.\ufffd Just click on the file in Dropbox, touch the down arrow when it says it cannot open the file, and send it to the Sweet MIDI Player.\ufffd For single midi files, just email it to your iCloud email and open them in the Sweet MIDI Player.

\ufffd

For my MacBook laptop, I am using Rondo ($25) from fracturedsoftware.com.\ufffd QMIDI and Sweet MIDI Player also work with Lion.

\ufffd

To get MIDI files to play your Disklavier, you MUST send the data from the software player to the interface. For the mobile device, choose Settings tab. With the iPhone, you need to turn the phone sideways to see the Settings tab! Set Output Type to Core MIDI, and the MIDI Output to iPad Accessory. \ufffd For the laptop version, the MIDI output must be the name of the MIDI interface.

\ufffd

Make sure your Disklavier is turned on. Press the Function button, then MIDI setup, then Piano Part. Import File settings can be L=PrgAll or whatever channel you want for the piano part.

\ufffd

Enjoy!

\ufffd

-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550-Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...
http://www.spencerserolls.com
(707) 984-8356 
(425) 791-0309

Re: [disklavier] DKVs using iOS and OSX

2013-06-26 by Horatio Kemeny

Anyone who would consider calling Chopin, Schubert or Beethoven "background noise" probably shouldn't have one of these pianos in the first place, so I suppose we could leave it at that.

I guess it didn't occur to you that some people probably access their piano through multiple means.

I suppose I might be insulted by your snarky remark were it not for the fact I've been involved with music for over 30 years, performing, recording and supporting it… and that the experience has led me to believe that, when it comes to enjoying music in its many different forms, I have enough confidence to believe I know what I'm talking about.

But, by all means, don't let that for a moment prevent you from thinking that you're right and that the rest of us who, God forbid, use our pianos for something other than exactly and precisely you feel appropriate and who, again -- God forbid -- choose to control it from an iPhone, purely for the sake of convenience, (notwithstanding the fact it lets me control the piano from halfway around the world, something that with a laptop and WiFi connection would be, uh, problematic) are complete idiots.

And, trust me, those who listen to music (which, if I'm not mistaken, is everyone) all have their own preferred methods of storing, accessing and controlling their collections. Of all the technology available today, a WiFi-dependent laptop is pretty low on the "yeah, that makes sense" list.

On Jun 26, 2013, at 8:50 AM, Spencer Chase <lists@...> wrote:

i think that the iphone app appeals to people who use their piano as just another source of background noise, kind of like elevator music or music on hold. doesn't really matter much what it is as longs as it is not too loud or distracting to get in the way of conversation. those who actually listen to music are not put off by the inconvenience of "flipping open laptop" in order to make a considered choice as to what they are going to spend time listening to.

On 6/25/2013 9:51 PM, Horatio Kemeny wrote:

Because you're having a dinner party, listening to some appropriate dinner music… and then you want to change what you're listening to, to something quieter/jazzier, so you pick up your phone, go tap-tap, and it's done. Which is somewhat less invasive than flipping open a laptop, wirelessly connected or not, and doing the same thing.

Did I find what you're missing?

On Jun 25, 2013, at 7:17 PM, Geoff Ward <gward1211@...> wrote:

I don’t know why anyone would wish to control a DKV with an iPad, or worse still an iPhone. The Yamaha interface for creating playlists and playing them is soooo limited. I have a C3 Mark IV and quickly abandoned the iPad app which Yamaha provide. I use a Windows 7 notepad PC running Van Basco’s Karaoke Player to create playlists and play anything I like. I don’t even use the hard disk in the DKV.

My PC is a Vaio notebook (or laptop). I connect to the DKV via the USB port, but not with a cable, but through my WIFI network using a wireless USB connection from IOGEAR. So, with a cable-free laptop I can get full control all I wish to do. When it comes to recording from the DKV, I also use the laptop and Cakewalk via the wireless USB.

Am I missing something here?

Kind regards

Geoff

From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carol Beigel
Sent: Wednesday, 26 June 2013 11:30 AM
To: disklavier@...
Cc: Carol Beigel
Subject: [disklavier] DKVs using iOS and OSX

Using an iPad, iPhone or MacBook laptop to Control Older Disklaviers

I have been asked several times lately about using Disklavier utilities with Windows 7 or 8. I gave up on anything Windows based almost 2 years ago and switched to whatever I could buy at the iLust store. The sole exception is that I still recommend for owners of Disklaviers from the Mark III and older that they maintain some form of PC that will run Windows XP and preferably older, like Windows 98 to be able to use the DKV utilities. Those utilities are the only source I know of for converting ESEQ to MIDI files or creating playlists for Windows XP (yamplayer), and can be found at www.midiplayertools.com. Some people have had success on their Macs installing a dual boot system and running Windows XP in virtual mode. However that option has never appealed to me because it still requires all those updates and constant virus protection.

Now I have 5 different Apple devices that run on 4 different operating systems, and I would like to control my Mark IIXG Disklavier with an iPhone 5, iPad 2, and a MacBook Pro laptop running Lion. Why? I am finally interested in creating playlists so I don’t need to change the floppy disk every 30 minutes! ; At least owners of Mark III’s have 16 built-in disks that will each hold 59 to 99 MIDI files. If you own a Mark IV, E3 Disklavier or have the DKC-850 upgrade Control Box, then your system has an IP address and can be controlled wirelessly with the iPhone, iPod or iPad using a free app in the app store. The rest of us need to use the MIDI In port on the control box.

This article assumes you are using MIDI files, either converted from the ESEQ (proprietary format used by Yamaha) using the DKV utilities, or that have the piano parts playing on channels 1 or 2. Even MIDI files that have ensemble tone generated parts will play from a smart phone, and you will be able to hear those parts as long as you have an audio cable connected to a powered speaker from the L output on the DKV control box.

iPhones, iPods and iPads run on a mobile operation system called iOS which is version 6.1 as of this writing for the iPhone 5. Software is purchased thru the App store on a mobile device. Apps purchased for your iPhone will most often run on the iPod or iPad at no extra charge, but not all apps are written for all 3 devices.

MacBook laptops, even though they are portable, run on a desktop operating system, OS X as in the current case OS X 10.7.5 called Lion. You can purchase apps thru the app store or from the developer directly via the internet. If you purchased an app for your iOS device, and want to use the same program on your laptop, you must purchase another version for the OS X device. Thankfully, two programs that are free, communicate with ALL your devices, Mac and Windows, mobile and desktop, that you will need are iTunes and Dropbox.

You will need a hardware item called a MIDI interface. For all Apple devices you need hardware that is Core MIDI compliant. MIDI Out from the interface connects to the MIDI In on the Disklavier. For the mobile devices, there are 3 brands and each costs $69.95. I use the Yamaha i-MX-1. The Apple Store usually carries the iRig MIDI, and the other brand is Line 6 Mobile II. All of these MIDI interfaces come with the older 30-pin connector found on the iPad 2 and iPhone 4, but they all work with Apple’s Lighting Connector adaptor for an additional $28 that you will need for the new iPhone 5 and iPad 3. For the laptop, you need a USB MIDI interface. These are about half the price and the most popular ones should work as long as they are Core MIDI Compliant. Mine is the MAudio Uno I used on my Windows laptop.

Now you need playlist software installed on your device. I suggest Sweet MIDI Player for the iPhone, iPod and iPad. The free version only plays part of the file, but the full version for $14.95 will run on all three devices at no extra charge. If you want to use this player on the laptop, it will cost you $29.95. You can place MIDI files onto your mobile device in 3 ways. The easiest way is to physically connect your mobile device to a desktop or laptop computer running iTunes. Click the Apps tab at the top and drag the midi files into the appropriate box. Another way is to set up a folder in Dropbox and put your midi files there. Dropbox can be used on any computer. Just click on the file in Dropbox, touch the down arrow when it says it cannot open the file, and send it to the Sweet MIDI Player. For single midi files, just email it to your iCloud email and open them in the Sweet MIDI Player.

For my MacBook laptop, I am using Rondo ($25) from fracturedsoftware.com. QMIDI and Sweet MIDI Player also work with Lion.

To get MIDI files to play your Disklavier, you MUST send the data from the software player to the interface. For the mobile device, choose Settings tab. With the iPhone, you need to turn the phone sideways to see the Settings tab! Set Output Type to Core MIDI, and the MIDI Output to iPad Accessory. For the laptop version, the MIDI output must be the name of the MIDI interface.

Make sure your Disklavier is turned on. Press the Function button, then MIDI setup, then Piano Part. Import File settings can be L=PrgAll or whatever channel you want for the piano part.

Enjoy!
-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550-Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...
http://www.spencerserolls.com
(707) 984-8356 
(425) 791-0309

RE: [disklavier] DKVs using iOS and OSX

2013-06-26 by Geoff Ward

There are obviously 2 views on the usefulness of an "i" device for
controlling a Disklavier.  

Just one point of clarification.  An older DKV doesn't need wireless
capability to connect wirelessly to a laptop.  It just needs a MIDI IN port
(USB) to connect an IOGEAR wireless USB sharing station to.  If it has no
USB connectivity, then it will also need a USB to MIDI interface.  

The type of USB midi interface is important.  The cheap ones from China,
which I have found to work very well for connecting to a MIDI instrument via
USB do not seem to work with the wireless device from IOGEAR.  The IOGEAR
device asks for the driver for the USB interface (ie, as a piece of software
that can be read).  The Chinese USB interfaces that I have used come with a
driver built in which installs on the computer when first connected.  You
will need a device that comes with its driver on a disk.  An older Roland
USB MIDI interface that I have comes with drivers on a disk.  However, I
have not tried it with the IOGEAR device - be aware.  Here is a link to the
IOGEAR USB sharing station  http://www.iogear.com/product/GUWIP204/.

 

  _____

Show quoted textHide quoted text

From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Carol Beigel
Sent: Wednesday, 26 June 2013 11:01 PM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Carol Beigel
Subject: Re: [disklavier] DKVs using iOS and OSX

The article was meant for users of older Disklaviers that have no wireless
capability. It can be quite practical to use an iPad for many things at
home:  controlling the Apple TV, showing photographs, playing movies and
music, etc.  If one connects a wired MIDI interface to their older
Disklavier, then all that is needed to play it without using the floppy
drive, is to connect the iPad using playlist software.  Many  homes I visit
have iPads and older Disklaviers. I think about 140 million people also use
iPhones so it could have its uses!

Carol

On Jun 25, 2013, at 10:17 PM, Geoff Ward wrote:

I don't know why anyone would wish to control a DKV with an iPad, or worse
still an iPhone.  The Yamaha interface for creating playlists and playing
them is soooo limited.  I have a C3 Mark IV and quickly abandoned the iPad
app which Yamaha provide.  I use a Windows 7 notepad PC running Van Basco's
Karaoke Player to create playlists and play anything I like.  I don't even
use the hard disk in the DKV.

My PC is a Vaio notebook (or laptop).  I connect to the DKV via the USB
port, but not with a cable, but through my WIFI network using a wireless USB
connection from IOGEAR.  So, with a cable-free laptop I can get full control
all I wish to do.  When it comes to recording from the DKV, I also use the
laptop and Cakewalk via the wireless USB.

Am I missing something here?

Kind regards

Geoff

  _____  

From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Carol Beigel
Sent: Wednesday, 26 June 2013 11:30 AM
To: disklavier@...
Cc: Carol Beigel
Subject: [disklavier] DKVs using iOS and OSX

Using an iPad, iPhone or MacBook laptop to Control Older Disklaviers

I have been asked several times lately about using Disklavier utilities with
Windows 7 or 8.  I gave up on anything Windows based almost 2 years ago and
switched to whatever I could buy at the iLust store.  The sole exception is
that I still recommend for owners of Disklaviers from the Mark III and older
that they maintain some form of PC that will run Windows XP and preferably
older, like Windows 98 to be able to use the DKV utilities.  Those utilities
are the only source I know of for converting ESEQ toMIDI files or creating
playlists for Windows XP (yamplayer), and can be found at
www.midiplayertools.com. Some people have had success on their Macs
installing a dual boot system and running Windows XP in virtual mode.
However that option has never appealed to me because it still requires all
those updates and constant virus protection.

Now I have 5 different Apple devices that run on 4 different operating
systems, and I would like to control my Mark IIXG Disklavier with an iPhone
5, iPad 2, and a MacBook Pro laptop running Lion.  Why?  I am finally
interested in creating playlists so I don't need to change the floppy disk
every 30 minutes!  At least owners of Mark III's have 16 built-in disks that
will each hold 59 to 99 MIDI files. If you own a Mark IV, E3 Disklavier or
have the DKC-850 upgrade Control Box, then your system has an IP address and
can be controlled wirelessly with the iPhone, iPod or iPad using a free app
in the app store. The rest of us need to use the MIDI In port on the control
box.

This article assumes you are using MIDI files, either converted from the
ESEQ (proprietary format used by Yamaha) using the DKV utilities, or that
have the piano parts playing on channels 1 or 2.  Even MIDI files that have
ensemble tone generated parts will play from a smart phone, and you will be
able to hear those parts as long as you have an audio cable connected to a
powered speaker from the L output on the DKV control box.

iPhones, iPods and iPads run on a mobile operation system called iOS which
is version 6.1 as of this writing for the iPhone 5. Software is purchased
thru the App store on a mobile device.  Apps purchased for your iPhone will
most often run on the iPod or iPad at no extra charge, but not all apps are
written for all 3 devices.  

MacBook laptops, even though they are portable, run on a desktop operating
system, OS X as in the current case OS X 10.7.5 called Lion.  You can
purchase apps thru the app store or from the developer directly via the
internet. If you purchased an app for your iOS device, and want to use the
same program on your laptop, you must purchase another version for the OS X
device. Thankfully, two programs that are free, communicate with ALL your
devices, Mac and Windows, mobile and desktop, that you will need are iTunes
and Dropbox. 

You will need a hardware item called a MIDI interface.  For all Apple
devices you need hardware that is Core MIDI compliant.  MIDI Out from the
interface connects to the MIDI In on the Disklavier.  For the mobile
devices, there are 3 brands and each costs $69.95.  I use the Yamaha i-MX-1.
The Apple Store usually carries the iRig MIDI, and the other brand is Line 6
Mobile II.  All of these MIDI interfaces come with the older 30-pin
connector found on the iPad 2 and iPhone 4, but they all work with Apple's
Lighting   Connector adaptor for an additional $28 that you will need for
the new iPhone 5 and iPad 3. For the laptop, you need a USB MIDI interface.
These are about half the price and the most popular ones should work as long
as they are Core MIDI Compliant.  Mine is the MAudio Uno I used on my
Windows laptop.

Now you need playlist software installed on your device.  I suggest Sweet
MIDI Player for the iPhone, iPod and iPad.  The free version only plays part
of the file, but the full version for $14.95 will run on all three devices
at no extra charge.  If you want to use this player on the laptop, it will
cost you $29.95.  You can place MIDI files onto your mobile device in 3
ways.  The easiest way is to physically connect your mobile device to a
desktop or laptop computer running iTunes. Click the Apps tab at the top and
drag the midi files into the appropriate box.  Another way is to set up a
folder in Dropbox and put your midi files there. Dropbox can be used on any
computer.  Just click on the file in Dropbox, touch the down arrow when it
says it cannot open the file, and send it to the Sweet MIDI Player.  For
single midi files, just email it to your iCloud email and open them in the
Sweet MIDI Player.

For my MacBook laptop, I am using Rondo ($25) from fracturedsoftware.com.
QMIDI and Sweet MIDI Player also work with Lion.

To get MIDI files to play your Disklavier, you MUST send the data from the
software player to the interface. For the mobile device, choose Settings
tab. With the iPhone, you need to turn the phone sideways to see the
Settings tab! Set Output Type to Core MIDI, and the MIDI Output to iPad
Accessory.   For the laptop version, the MIDI output must be the name of the
MIDIinterface.

Make sure your Disklavier is turned on. Press the Function button, then MIDI
setup, then Piano Part. Import File settings can be L=PrgAll or whatever
channel you want for the piano part.

Enjoy!

RE: [disklavier] DKVs using iOS and OSX

2013-06-26 by Geoff Ward

Possibly.  It's not difficult to have the best of both - an "i" device for
dinner time and a wireless laptop for control in serious listening
situations.  I might fire up the iPad app again, although, come dinner time,
my wife has generally had enough of the piano for the day.

 

  _____

Show quoted textHide quoted text

From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Horatio Kemeny
Sent: Wednesday, 26 June 2013 2:51 PM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] DKVs using iOS and OSX

Because you're having a dinner party, listening to some appropriate dinner
music. and then you want to change what you're listening to, to something
quieter/jazzier, so you pick up your phone, go tap-tap, and it's done.
Which is somewhat less invasive than flipping open a laptop, wirelessly
connected or not, and doing the same thing.

Did I find what you're missing?

On Jun 25, 2013, at 7:17 PM, Geoff Ward <gward1211@...> wrote:

I don't know why anyone would wish to control a DKV with an iPad, or worse
still an iPhone.  The Yamaha interface for creating playlists and playing
them is soooo limited.  I have a C3 Mark IV and quickly abandoned the iPad
app which Yamaha provide.  I use a Windows 7 notepad PC running Van Basco's
Karaoke Player to create playlists and play anything I like.  I don't even
use the hard disk in the DKV.

My PC is a Vaio notebook (or laptop).  I connect to the DKV via the USB
port, but not with a cable, but through my WIFI network using a wireless USB
connection from IOGEAR.  So, with a cable-free laptop I can get full control
all I wish to do.  When it comes to recording from the DKV, I also use the
laptop and Cakewalk via the wireless USB.

Am I missing something here?

Kind regards

Geoff

  _____  

From:  <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com> disklavier@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carol Beigel
Sent: Wednesday, 26 June 2013 11:30 AM
To: disklavier@...
Cc: Carol Beigel
Subject: [disklavier] DKVs using iOS and OSX

Using an iPad, iPhone or MacBook laptop to Control Older Disklaviers

I have been asked several times lately about using Disklavier utilities with
Windows 7 or 8.  I gave up on anything Windows based almost 2 years ago and
switched to whatever I could buy at the iLust store.  The sole exception is
that I still recommend for owners of Disklaviers from the Mark III and older
that they maintain some form of PC that will run Windows XP and preferably
older, like Windows 98 to be able to use the DKV utilities.  Those utilities
are the only source I know of for converting ESEQ to MIDI files or creating
playlists for Windows XP (yamplayer), and can be found at
www.midiplayertools.com <http://www.midiplayertools.com/> . Some people have
had success on their Macs installing a dual boot system and running Windows
XP in virtual mode.  However that option has never appealed to me because it
still requires all those updates and constant virus protection.

Now I have 5 different Apple devices that run on 4 different operating
systems, and I would like to control my Mark IIXG Disklavier with an iPhone
5, iPad 2, and a MacBook Pro laptop running Lion.  Why?  I am finally
interested in creating playlists so I don't need to change the floppy disk
every 30 minutes!  At least owners of Mark III's have 16 built-in disks that
will each hold 59 to 99 MIDI files. If you own a Mark IV, E3 Disklavier or
have the DKC-850 upgrade Control Box, then your system has an IP address and
can be controlled wirelessly with the iPhone, iPod or iPad using a free app
in the app store. The rest of us need to use the MIDI In port on the control
box.

This article assumes you are using MIDI files, either converted from the
ESEQ (proprietary format used by Yamaha) using the DKV utilities, or that
have the piano parts playing on channels 1 or 2.  Even MIDI files that have
ensemble tone generated parts will play from a smart phone, and you will be
able to hear those parts as long as you have an audio cable connected to a
powered speaker from the L output on the DKV control box.

iPhones, iPods and iPads run on a mobile operation system called iOS which
is version 6.1 as of this writing for the iPhone 5. Software is purchased
thru the App store on a mobile device.  Apps purchased for your iPhone will
most often run on the iPod or iPad at no extra charge, but not all apps are
written for all 3 devices.  

MacBook laptops, even though they are portable, run on a desktop operating
system, OS X as in the current case OS X 10.7.5 called Lion.  You can
purchase apps thru the app store or from the developer directly via the
internet. If you purchased an app for your iOS device, and want to use the
same program on your laptop, you must purchase another version for the OS X
device. Thankfully, two programs that are free, communicate with ALL your
devices, Mac and Windows, mobile and desktop, that you will need are iTunes
and Dropbox. 

You will need a hardware item called a MIDI interface.  For all Apple
devices you need hardware that is Core MIDI compliant.  MIDI Out from the
interface connects to the MIDI In on the Disklavier.  For the mobile
devices, there are 3 brands and each costs $69.95.  I use the Yamaha i-MX-1.
The Apple Store usually carries the iRig MIDI, and the other brand is Line 6
Mobile II.  All of these MIDI interfaces come with the older 30-pin
connector found on the iPad 2 and iPhone 4, but they all work with Apple's
Lighting   Connector adaptor for an additional $28 that you will need for
the new iPhone 5 and iPad 3. For the laptop, you need a USB MIDI interface.
These are about half the price and the most popular ones should work as long
as they are Core MIDI Compliant.  Mine is the MAudio Uno I used on my
Windows laptop.

Now you need playlist software installed on your device.  I suggest Sweet
MIDI Player for the iPhone, iPod and iPad.  The free version only plays part
of the file, but the full version for $14.95 will run on all three devices
at no extra charge.  If you want to use this player on the laptop, it will
cost you $29.95.  You can place MIDI files onto your mobile device in 3
ways.  The easiest way is to physically connect your mobile device to a
desktop or laptop computer running iTunes. Click the Apps tab at the top and
drag the midi files into the appropriate box.  Another way is to set up a
folder in Dropbox and put your midi files there.  Dropbox can be used on any
computer.  Just click on the file in Dropbox, touch the down arrow when it
says it cannot open the file, and send it to the Sweet MIDI Player.  For
single midi files, just email it to your iCloud email and open them in the
Sweet MIDI Player.

For my MacBook laptop, I am using Rondo ($25) from fracturedsoftware.com
<http://fracturedsoftware.com/> .  QMIDI and Sweet MIDI Player also work
with Lion.

To get MIDI files to play your Disklavier, you MUST send the data from the
software player to the interface. For the mobile device, choose Settings
tab. With the iPhone, you need to turn the phone sideways to see the
Settings tab! Set Output Type to Core MIDI, and the MIDI Output to iPad
Accessory.   For the laptop version, the MIDI output must be the name of the
MIDI interface.

Make sure your Disklavier is turned on. Press the Function button, then MIDI
setup, then Piano Part. Import File settings can be L=PrgAll or whatever
channel you want for the piano part.

Enjoy!

Re: [disklavier] DKVs using iOS and OSX

2013-06-26 by Spencer Chase

sorry i upset Horatio. his initial post made me think he was only interested in the most convenient way to play background music.

On 6/26/2013 3:23 PM, Geoff Ward wrote:

Possibly. It\u2019s not difficult to have the best of both \u2013 an \u201ci\u201d device for dinner time and a wireless laptop for control in serious listening situations. I might fire up the iPad app again, although, come dinner time, my wife has generally had enough of the piano for the day.

Show quoted textHide quoted text

From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Horatio Kemeny
Sent: Wednesday, 26 June 2013 2:51 PM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] DKVs using iOS and OSX

Because you're having a dinner party, listening to some appropriate dinner music\u2026 and then you want to change what you're listening to, to something quieter/jazzier, so you pick up your phone, go tap-tap, and it's done. Which is somewhat less invasive than flipping open a laptop, wirelessly connected or not, and doing the same thing.

Did I find what you're missing?

On Jun 25, 2013, at 7:17 PM, Geoff Ward <gward1211@...> wrote:

I don\u2019t know why anyone would wish to control a DKV with an iPad, or worse still an iPhone. The Yamaha interface for creating playlists and playing them is soooo limited. I have a C3 Mark IV and quickly abandoned the iPad app which Yamaha provide. I use a Windows 7 notepad PC running Van Basco\u2019s Karaoke Player to create playlists and play anything I like. I don\u2019t even use the hard disk in the DKV.

My PC is a Vaio notebook (or laptop). I connect to the DKV via the USB port, but not with a cable, but through my WIFI network using a wireless USB connection from IOGEAR. So, with a cable-free laptop I can get full control all I wish to do. When it comes to recording from the DKV, I also use the laptop and Cakewalk via the wireless USB.

Am I missing something here?

Kind regards

Geoff

From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carol Beigel
Sent: Wednesday, 26 June 2013 11:30 AM
To: disklavier@...
Cc: Carol Beigel
Subject: [disklavier] DKVs using iOS and OSX

Using an iPad, iPhone or MacBook laptop to Control Older Disklaviers

I have been asked several times lately about using Disklavier utilities with Windows 7 or 8. I gave up on anything Windows based almost 2 years ago and switched to whatever I could buy at the iLust store. The sole exception is that I still recommend for owners of Disklaviers from the Mark III and older that they maintain some form of PC that will run Windows XP and preferably older, like Windows 98 to be able to use the DKV utilities. Those utilities are the only source I know of for converting ESEQ to MIDI files or creating playlists for Windows XP (yamplayer), and can be found at www.midiplayertools.com. Some people have had success on their Macs installing a dual boot system and running Windows XP in virtual mode. However that option has never appealed to me because it still requires all those updates and constant virus protection.

Now I have 5 different Apple devices that run on 4 different operating systems, and I would like to control my Mark IIXG Disklavier with an iPhone 5, iPad 2, and a MacBook Pro laptop running Lion. Why? I am finally interested in creating playlists so I don\u2019t need to change the floppy disk every 30 minutes! At least owners of Mark III\u2019s have 16 built-in disks that will each hold 59 to 99 MIDI files. If you own a Mark IV, E3 Disklavier or have the DKC-850 upgrade Control Box, then your system has an IP address and can be controlled wirelessly with the iPhone, iPod or iPad using a free app in the app store. The rest of us need to use the MIDI In port on the control box.

This article assumes you are using MIDI files, either converted from the ESEQ (proprietary format used by Yamaha) using the DKV utilities, or that have the piano parts playing on channels 1 or 2. Even MIDI files that have ensemble tone generated parts will play from a smart phone, and you will be able to hear those parts as long as you have an audio cable connected to a powered speaker from the L output on the DKV control box.

iPhones, iPods and iPads run on a mobile operation system called iOS which is version 6.1 as of this writing for the iPhone 5. Software is purchased thru the App store on a mobile device. Apps purchased for your iPhone will most often run on the iPod or iPad at no extra charge, but not all apps are written for all 3 devices.

MacBook laptops, even though they are portable, run on a desktop operating system, OS X as in the current case OS X 10.7.5 called Lion. You can purchase apps thru the app store or from the developer directly via the internet. If you purchased an app for your iOS device, and want to use the same program on your laptop, you must purchase another version for the OS X device. Thankfully, two programs that are free, communicate with ALL your devices, Mac and Windows, mobile and desktop, that you will need are iTunes and Dropbox.

You will need a hardware item called a MIDI interface. For all Apple devices you need hardware that is Core MIDI compliant. MIDI Out from the interface connects to the MIDI In on the Disklavier. For the mobile devices, there are 3 brands and each costs $69.95. I use the Yamaha i-MX-1. The Apple Store usually carries the iRig MIDI, and the other brand is Line 6 Mobile II. All of these MIDI interfaces come with the older 30-pin connector found on the iPad 2 and iPhone 4, but they all work with Apple\u2019s Lighting Connector adaptor for an additional $28 that you will need for the new iPhone 5 and iPad 3. For the laptop, you need a USB MIDI interface. These are about half the price and the most popular ones should work as long as they are Core MIDI Compliant. Mine is the MAudio Uno I used on my Windows laptop.

Now you need playlist software installed on your device. I suggest Sweet MIDI Player for the iPhone, iPod and iPad. The free version only plays part of the file, but the full version for $14.95 will run on all three devices at no extra charge. If you want to use this player on the laptop, it will cost you $29.95. You can place MIDI files onto your mobile device in 3 ways. The easiest way is to physically connect your mobile device to a desktop or laptop computer running iTunes. Click the Apps tab at the top and drag the midi files into the appropriate box. Another way is to set up a folder in Dropbox and put your midi files there. Dropbox can be used on any computer. Just click on the file in Dropbox, touch the down arrow when it says it cannot open the file, and send it to the Sweet MIDI Player. For single midi files, just email it to your iCloud email and open them in the Sweet MIDI Player.

For my MacBook laptop, I am using Rondo ($25) from fracturedsoftware.com. QMIDI and Sweet MIDI Player also work with Lion.

To get MIDI files to play your Disklavier, you MUST send the data from the software player to the interface. For the mobile device, choose Settings tab. With the iPhone, you need to turn the phone sideways to see the Settings tab! Set Output Type to Core MIDI, and the MIDI Output to iPad Accessory. For the laptop version, the MIDI output must be the name of the MIDI interface.

Make sure your Disklavier is turned on. Press the Function button, then MIDI setup, then Piano Part. Import File settings can be L=PrgAll or whatever channel you want for the piano part.

Enjoy!

-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550-Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...
http://www.spencerserolls.com
(707) 984-8356 
(425) 791-0309

Re: [disklavier] DKVs using iOS and OSX

2013-06-27 by Edward Mitoma

Wow Horatio is sensitive!

I use multiple methods...PC, Mac and iOS devices.  For seriously listening and yes backround music at parties.  The phone is simply a much easier way to do this.  I have a larger file system accessible by computer.  But controlling  Disklavier Radio via iOS is just much more convenient.   That is why someone would want to use a phone.  Plus it amazes your friends even more than the amazing piano does on it's own.  Snarky is as snarky does...



Sent from my iPhone

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On Jun 26, 2013, at 4:43 PM, Spencer Chase <lists@...> wrote:

> sorry i upset Horatio. his initial post made me think he was only interested in the most convenient way to play background music. 
> 
> On 6/26/2013 3:23 PM, Geoff Ward wrote:
>>  
>> Possibly.  It’s not difficult to have the best of both – an “i” device for dinner time and a wireless laptop for control in serious listening situations.  I might fire up the iPad app again, although, come dinner time, my wife has generally had enough of the piano for the day.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Horatio Kemeny
>> Sent: Wednesday, 26 June 2013 2:51 PM
>> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [disklavier] DKVs using iOS and OSX
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Because you're having a dinner party, listening to some appropriate dinner music… and then you want to change what you're listening to, to something quieter/jazzier, so you pick up your phone, go tap-tap, and it's done.  Which is somewhat less invasive than flipping open a laptop, wirelessly connected or not, and doing the same thing.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Did I find what you're missing?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Jun 25, 2013, at 7:17 PM, Geoff Ward <gward1211@...> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I don’t know why anyone would wish to control a DKV with an iPad, or worse still an iPhone.  The Yamaha interface for creating playlists and playing them is soooo limited.  I have a C3 Mark IV and quickly abandoned the iPad app which Yamaha provide.  I use a Windows 7 notepad PC running Van Basco’s Karaoke Player to create playlists and play anything I like.  I don’t even use the hard disk in the DKV.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> My PC is a Vaio notebook (or laptop).  I connect to the DKV via the USB port, but not with a cable, but through my WIFI network using a wireless USB connection from IOGEAR.  So, with a cable-free laptop I can get full control all I wish to do.  When it comes to recording from the DKV, I also use the laptop and Cakewalk via the wireless USB.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Am I missing something here?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Geoff
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On                                               Behalf Of Carol Beigel
>> Sent: Wednesday, 26 June 2013 11:30 AM
>> To: disklavier@...
>> Cc: Carol Beigel
>> Subject: [disklavier] DKVs using iOS and OSX
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Using an iPad, iPhone or MacBook laptop to Control Older Disklaviers
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I have been asked several times lately about using Disklavier utilities with Windows 7 or 8.  I gave up on anything Windows based almost 2 years ago and switched to whatever I could buy at the iLust store.  The sole exception is that I still recommend for owners of Disklaviers from the Mark III and older that they maintain some form of PC that will run Windows XP and preferably older, like Windows 98 to be able to use the DKV utilities.  Those utilities are the only source I know of for converting ESEQ to MIDI files or creating playlists for Windows XP (yamplayer), and can be found at www.midiplayertools.com. Some people have had success on their Macs installing a dual boot system and running Windows XP in virtual mode.  However that option has never appealed to me because it still requires all those updates and constant virus protection.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Now I have 5 different Apple devices that run on 4 different operating systems, and I would like to control my Mark IIXG Disklavier with an iPhone 5, iPad 2, and a MacBook Pro laptop running Lion.  Why?  I am finally interested in creating playlists so I don’t need to change the floppy disk every 30 minutes!  At least owners of Mark                                                   III’s have 16 built-in disks that will each hold 59 to 99 MIDI files. If you own a Mark IV, E3 Disklavier or have the DKC-850 upgrade Control Box, then your system has an IP address and can be controlled wirelessly with the iPhone, iPod or iPad using a free app in the app store. The rest of us need to use the MIDI In port on the control box.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> This article assumes you are using MIDI files, either converted from the ESEQ (proprietary format used by Yamaha) using                                                   the DKV utilities, or that have the piano parts playing on channels 1 or 2.  Even MIDI files that have ensemble tone generated parts will play from a smart phone, and you will be able to hear those parts as long as you have an audio cable connected to a powered speaker from the L output on the DKV control box.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> iPhones, iPods and iPads run on a mobile operation system called iOS which is version 6.1 as of this writing for the iPhone 5. Software is purchased thru the App store on a mobile device.  Apps purchased for your iPhone will most often run on the iPod or iPad at no extra charge, but not all apps are written for all 3 devices.  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> MacBook laptops, even though they are portable, run on a desktop operating system, OS X as in the current case OS X 10.7.5 called Lion.  You can purchase apps                                                   thru the app store or from the developer directly via the internet. If you purchased an app for your iOS device, and want to use the same program on your laptop, you must purchase another version for the OS X device. Thankfully, two programs that are free, communicate with ALL your devices, Mac and Windows, mobile and desktop, that you will need are iTunes and Dropbox. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> You will need a hardware item called a MIDI interface.  For all Apple devices you need hardware that is Core MIDI compliant.  MIDI Out from the interface connects to the MIDI In on the Disklavier.  For the mobile devices, there are 3 brands and each costs $69.95.  I use the Yamaha i-MX-1.  The Apple Store usually carries the iRig MIDI, and the other brand is Line 6 Mobile II.  All of these MIDI interfaces come with the older 30-pin connector found on the iPad 2 and iPhone 4, but they all work with Apple’s Lighting   Connector adaptor for an additional $28 that you will need for the new iPhone 5 and iPad 3. For the laptop, you need a USB MIDI interface.  These are about half the price and the most popular ones should work as long as they are Core MIDI Compliant.  Mine is the MAudio Uno I used on my Windows laptop.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Now you need playlist software installed on your device.  I suggest Sweet MIDI Player for the iPhone, iPod and iPad.  The free version only plays part of the file, but the full version for $14.95 will run on all three devices at no extra charge.  If you want to use this player on the laptop, it will                                                   cost you $29.95.  You can place MIDI files onto your mobile device in 3 ways.  The easiest way is to physically connect your mobile device to a desktop or laptop computer running iTunes. Click the Apps tab at the top and drag the midi files into the appropriate box.  Another way is to set up a folder in Dropbox and put your midi files there.  Dropbox can be used on any computer.  Just click on the file in Dropbox, touch the down arrow when it says it cannot open the file, and send it to the Sweet MIDI Player.  For single midi files, just email it to your iCloud email and                                                   open them in the Sweet MIDI Player.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> For my MacBook laptop, I am using Rondo ($25) from fracturedsoftware.com.  QMIDI                                                   and Sweet MIDI Player also work with Lion.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> To get MIDI files to play your Disklavier, you MUST send the data from the software                                                   player to the interface. For the mobile device, choose Settings tab. With the iPhone, you need to turn the phone sideways to see the Settings tab! Set Output Type to Core MIDI, and the MIDI Output to iPad Accessory.   For the laptop version, the MIDI output must be the name of the MIDI interface.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Make sure your Disklavier is turned on. Press the Function button, then MIDI setup, then Piano Part. Import File settings can be L=PrgAll or whatever channel you want for the piano part.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Enjoy!
>> 
> 
> -- 
> Best regards, Spencer Chase
> 67550-Bell Springs Rd.
> Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
> Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
> Spencer@spencerserolls.com
> http://www.spencerserolls.com
> (707) 984-8356 
> (425) 791-0309
>

Re: [disklavier] DKVs using iOS and OSX

2013-06-27 by Horatio Kemeny

Sorry, I do get annoyed when the greatest composers in the history of the world get bundled together and labelled "background junk" -- it tends, in my opinion, to lessen the forthcoming argument, whatever it may be… but I suppose, especially in the case where the initial argument was something along the lines of "Why would anyone else be so stupid as to when clearly I know what I'm doing".

Anyway, moving on.

…..HK

On Jun 27, 2013, at 8:26 AM, Edward Mitoma <twothbeave@...> wrote:

Wow Horatio is sensitive!

I use multiple methods...PC, Mac and iOS devices. For seriously listening and yes backround music at parties. The phone is simply a much easier way to do this. I have a larger file system accessible by computer. But controlling Disklavier Radio via iOS is just much more convenient. That is why someone would want to use a phone. Plus it amazes your friends even more than the amazing piano does on it's own. Snarky is as snarky does...

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 26, 2013, at 4:43 PM, Spencer Chase <lists@...> wrote:

sorry i upset Horatio. his initial post made me think he was only interested in the most convenient way to play background music.

On 6/26/2013 3:23 PM, Geoff Ward wrote:

Possibly. It’s not difficult to have the best of both – an “i” device for dinner time and a wireless laptop for control in serious listening situations. I might fire up the iPad app again, although, come dinner time, my wife has generally had enough of the piano for the day.

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From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Horatio Kemeny
Sent: Wednesday, 26 June 2013 2:51 PM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] DKVs using iOS and OSX

Because you're having a dinner party, listening to some appropriate dinner music… and then you want to change what you're listening to, to something quieter/jazzier, so you pick up your phone, go tap-tap, and it's done. Which is somewhat less invasive than flipping open a laptop, wirelessly connected or not, and doing the same thing.

Did I find what you're missing?

On Jun 25, 2013, at 7:17 PM, Geoff Ward <gward1211@...> wrote:

I don’t know why anyone would wish to control a DKV with an iPad, or worse still an iPhone. The Yamaha interface for creating playlists and playing them is soooo limited. I have a C3 Mark IV and quickly abandoned the iPad app which Yamaha provide. I use a Windows 7 notepad PC running Van Basco’s Karaoke Player to create playlists and play anything I like. I don’t even use the hard disk in the DKV.

My PC is a Vaio notebook (or laptop). I connect to the DKV via the USB port, but not with a cable, but through my WIFI network using a wireless USB connection from IOGEAR. So, with a cable-free laptop I can get full control all I wish to do. When it comes to recording from the DKV, I also use the laptop and Cakewalk via the wireless USB.

Am I missing something here?

Kind regards
;
Geoff

From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carol Beigel
Sent: Wednesday, 26 June 2013 11:30 AM
To: disklavier@...
Cc: Carol Beigel
Subject: [disklavier] DKVs using iOS and OSX

Using an iPad, iPhone or MacBook laptop to Control Older Disklaviers

I have been asked several times lately about using Disklavier utilities with Windows 7 or 8. I gave up on anything Windows based almost 2 years ago and switched to whatever I could buy at the iLust store. The sole exception is that I still recommend for owners of Disklaviers from the Mark III and older that they maintain some form of PC that will run Windows XP and preferably older, like Windows 98 to be able to use the DKV utilities. Those utilities are the only source I know of for converting ESEQ to MIDI files or creating playlists for Windows XP (yamplayer), and can be found at www.midiplayertools.com. Some people have had success on their Macs installing a dual boot system and running Windows XP in virtual mode. However that option has never appealed to me because it still requires all those updates and constant virus protection.

Now I have 5 different Apple devices that run on 4 different operating systems, and I would like to control my Mark IIXG Disklavier with an iPhone 5, iPad 2, and a MacBook Pro laptop running Lion. Why? I am finally interested in creating playlists so I don’t need to change the floppy disk every 30 minutes! At least owners of Mark III’s have 16 built-in disks that will each hold 59 to 99 MIDI files. If you own a Mark IV, E3 Disklavier or have the DKC-850 upgrade Control Box, then your system has an IP address and can be controlled wirelessly with the iPhone, iPod or iPad using a free app in the app store. The rest of us need to use the MIDI In port on the control box.

This article assumes you are using MIDI files, either converted from the ESEQ (proprietary format used by Yamaha) using the DKV utilities, or that have the piano parts playing on channels 1 or 2. Even MIDI files that have ensemble tone generated parts will play from a smart phone, and you will be able to hear those parts as long as you have an audio cable connected to a powered speaker from the L output on the DKV control box.

iPhones, iPods and iPads run on a mobile operation system called iOS which is version 6.1 as of this writing for the iPhone 5. Software is purchased thru the App store on a mobile device. Apps purchased for your iPhone will most often run on the iPod or iPad at no extra charge, but not all apps are written for all 3 devices.

MacBook laptops, even though they are portable, run on a desktop operating system, OS X as in the current case OS X 10.7.5 called Lion. You can purchase apps thru the app store or from the developer directly via the internet. If you purchased an app for your iOS device, and want to use the same program on your laptop, you must purchase another version for the OS X device. Thankfully, two programs that are free, communicate with ALL your devices, Mac and Windows, mobile and desktop, that you will need are iTunes and Dropbox.

You will need a hardware item called a MIDI interface. For all Apple devices you need hardware that is Core MIDI compliant. MIDI Out from the interface connects to the MIDI In on the Disklavier. For the mobile devices, there are 3 brands and each costs $69.95. I use the Yamaha i-MX-1. The Apple Store usually carries the iRig MIDI, and the other brand is Line 6 Mobile II. All of these MIDI interfaces come with the older 30-pin connector found on the iPad 2 and iPhone 4, but they all work with Apple’s Lighting Connector adaptor for an additional $28 that you will need for the new iPhone 5 and iPad 3. For the laptop, you need a USB MIDI interface. These are about half the price and the most popular ones should work as long as they are Core MIDI Compliant. Mine is the MAudio Uno I used on my Windows laptop.

Now you need playlist software installed on your device. I suggest Sweet MIDI Player for the iPhone, iPod and iPad. The free version only plays part of the file, but the full version for $14.95 will run on all three devices at no extra charge. If you want to use this player on the laptop, it will cost you $29.95. You can place MIDI files onto your mobile device in 3 ways. The easiest way is to physically connect your mobile device to a desktop or laptop computer running iTunes. Click the Apps tab at the top and drag the midi files into the appropriate box. Another way is to set up a folder in Dropbox and put your midi files there. Dropbox can be used on any computer. Just click on the file in Dropbox, touch the down arrow when it says it cannot open the file, and send it to the Sweet MIDI Player. For single midi files, just email it to your iCloud email and open them in the Sweet MIDI Player.

For my MacBook laptop, I am using Rondo ($25) from fracturedsoftware.com. QMIDI and Sweet MIDI Player also work with Lion.

To get MIDI files to play your Disklavier, you MUST send the data from the software player to the interface. For the mobile device, choose Settings tab. With the iPhone, you need to turn the phone sideways to see the Settings tab! Set Output Type to Core MIDI, and the MIDI Output to iPad Accessory. For the laptop version, the MIDI output must be the name of the MIDI interface.

Make sure your Disklavier is turned on. Press the Function button, then MIDI setup, then Piano Part. Import File settings can be L=PrgAll or whatever channel you want for the piano part.

Enjoy!
-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550-Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...
http://www.spencerserolls.com
(707) 984-8356 
(425) 791-0309

Re: [disklavier] DKVs using iOS and OSX

2013-06-27 by Spencer Chase

I guess I am just jealous ebcause I don't have an Iphone. seriously, the 
few times I used my Android to control the piano were just to "impress" 
guests and as you suggest,they were more impressed with the technology 
than the music.  I have found that very few people really care to listen 
to music other than as background. generally, i find background music 
annoying even if it is great music. i feel like a hearing impaired 
person (which i will be at some point because it runs in my family) who 
is missing a lot and prefer to just have conversation with friends 
without the distraction. when i do listen to music i often change my 
decision as to what to listen to next based on how i responded to what i 
last heard and like to have a clear large display and all the tools 
media monkey has to offer to make the browsing and choices easier. if i 
had a better memory or better touchscreen skills maybe i could get by 
with a phone. i am amazed at my niece's ability to navigate her phone. i 
can find things faster on my computer or tablet but she is a close second.

i probably responded too snarkily because it annoys me that there is so 
much great music and that most people only get a small part of it by not 
listening. i now understand the frustration of my high school music 
teachers. it has been proven in several recent studies that people are 
much worse at multi tasking than they think and that the people who 
think they are good at it are usually the worst. if you are a 
professional musician and have heard a piece a million times, you might 
be able to hear it and even evaluate it critically while engaged in 
conversation but i still think you can not really experience it fully as 
a complex communication between the composer and listener.

On 6/27/2013 8:26 AM, Edward Mitoma wrote:
> Wow Horatio is sensitive!
>
> I use multiple methods...PC, Mac and iOS devices.  For seriously 
> listening and yes backround music at parties.  The phone is simply a 
> much easier way to do this.  I have a larger file system accessible by 
> computer.  But controlling  Disklavier Radio via iOS is just much more 
> convenient.   That is why someone would want to use a phone.  Plus it 
> amazes your friends even more than the amazing piano does on it's own. 
>  Snarky is as snarky does...
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550-Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...
http://www.spencerserolls.com
(707) 984-8356
(425) 791-0309

Re: [disklavier] DKVs using iOS and OSX

2013-06-27 by Horatio Kemeny

Spencer, I think we'll have to disagree on your conclusions. I'm not sure what to make of your statement that someone who knows a piece of music too well might actually be impairing their ability to experience it fully. I would submit the exact opposite.

As a very simple experiment, do this. Find some obscure piece you've never heard, something for a quartet or quintet. Listen to the piece two or three times. Although you'll be noticing little things each subsequent time, it's pretty much the same piece.

Now listen to it again, but specifically focus on only one instrument. Violin, cello, whatever. Do this for all the different instruments (which I why I suggest something with less instrumentation). After listening to the last isolated instrument, now listen again, at the whole thing. You will hear everything the composer intended, and you've done so by familiarizing yourself with every nuance, not how it sounds as a whole, but independently. But the human brain is fantastic at combining all that information, creating a whole that's far bigger than the sum of the parts. Indeed, that's what good music is… so to go after professional musicians as being too close to the music to truly appreciate it… well, no.

On the other topic, I'm not sure ahas the Android app does. The iPhone app allows pretty much all of the control available, including the ability to search and access all of the stored content… in a very convenient and intuitive manner.

While on that topic I have a question regarding the internal HDD, but that belongs in its own thread… I'll write a separate message.

…..HK

On Jun 27, 2013, at 8:58 AM, Spencer Chase <lists@...> wrote:

I guess I am just jealous ebcause I don't have an Iphone. seriously, the few times I used my Android to control the piano were just to "impress" guests and as you suggest,they were more impressed with the technology than the music. I have found that very few people really care to listen to music other than as background. generally, i find background music annoying even if it is great music. i feel like a hearing impaired person (which i will be at some point because it runs in my family) who is missing a lot and prefer to just have conversation with friends without the distraction. when i do listen to music i often change my decision as to what to listen to next based on how i responded to what i last heard and like to have a clear large display and all the tools media monkey has to offer to make the browsing and choices easier. if i had a better memory or better touchscreen skills maybe i could get by with a phone. i am amazed at my niece's ability to navigate her phone. i can find things faster on my computer or tablet but she is a close second.

i probably responded too snarkily because it annoys me that there is so much great music and that most people only get a small part of it by not listening. i now understand the frustration of my high school music teachers. it has been proven in several recent studies that people are much worse at multi tasking than they think and that the people who think they are good at it are usually the worst. if you are a professional musician and have heard a piece a million times, you might be able to hear it and even evaluate it critically while engaged in conversation but i still think you can not really experience it fully as a complex communication between the composer and listener.

On 6/27/2013 8:26 AM, Edward Mitoma wrote:

Wow Horatio is sensitive!

I use multiple methods...PC, Mac and iOS devices. For seriously listening and yes backround music at parties. The phone is simply a much easier way to do this. I have a larger file system accessible by computer. But controlling Disklavier Radio via iOS is just much more convenient. That is why someone would want to use a phone. Plus it amazes your friends even more than the amazing piano does on it's own. Snarky is as snarky does...

Sent from my iPhone
-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550-Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...
http://www.spencerserolls.com
(707) 984-8356 
(425) 791-0309

Mark IV storage space

2013-06-27 by Horatio Kemeny

I posted a while ago about my excellent experience upgrading the original HDD to a 128gig SSD. The best part of it really has been the access speed. It's instant, and I'm a bit confused about just why it is so much faster. There is zero delay on menu scrolling and task shifting or anything else that relies on HDD access. I wonder if there's something else that used to be adding a tremendous amount of latency, and whatever it was has gone away as a result of this upgrade…?

128g is a lot, but with all of the stuff I'm throwing on there (all sorts of CDs and DVDs and stored performances and so on), it's going to fill up eventually. It doesn't make sense to pick up a 256g or 512g SSD every few years… would be better to just plug in something external and upgrade that as needed. The issue is accessing that space as part of one big file system… and I'm not entirely clear on how to make that work.

One possibility is to expand the active file system into one big virtual one that incorporates the current SSD and also the external storage. One would require access at the root unix level to make that happen, but assuming the external drive is handled the same as the other I/O devices, it can be made to work. Has anyone done anything like that?

It occurs to me that, done properly, a cloud-storage of all sorts of (non-copyrighted) material could be made available for anyone to seamlessly access. It might be a challenge to get Yamaha involved, but Kevin's DKVBrowser could itself point to a pre-defined globally-shared file system… that'd be really cool.

…..HK

Re: [disklavier] DKVs using iOS and OSX

2013-06-27 by Spencer Chase

i do understand the combined effect of responses from both me and another that got you upset. i feel pretty much the same as you do about music. the few times i put the piano on as background while entertaining, i felt like i was putting myself in the same catagory as considering music as just background. the performances are recorded and there is no harm to the piano or the recordings playing them for an unappreciative audience but still i would feel guilty of some sort of junkification of the music. when i do play the piano for others, i expect them to listen and this is rarely the case. i think that people who fully listen to music are pretty rare today. even people who seem passionate about their music usually listen to it while distracted by a noisy environment. i have just a few friends who pay full attention the music.

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On 6/27/2013 8:36 AM, Horatio Kemeny wrote:

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Sorry, I do get annoyed when the greatest composers in the history of the world get bundled together and labelled "background junk" -- it tends, in my opinion, to lessen the forthcoming argument, whatever it may be\ufffd but I suppose, especially in the case where the initial argument was something along the lines of "Why would anyone else be so stupid as to when clearly I know what I'm doing".

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Re: [disklavier] Mark IV storage space

2013-06-27 by carwizard

I just finished installing a 256 SSD drive and it works great. I did however have trouble with the first drive I put in which was made by Samsung. I bought two different drives and two different Sata to IDE converters. I first tried switching converters but found out it was a drive issue. The problem I had, was that it would not always allow me to add music. It froze up.

On a side note, I had an intermittent power supply. Replaced it and all is well.

Take Care,
Neal Polan - President
Affordable Classics

On Jun 27, 2013, at 11:23 AM, "Horatio Kemeny" <hkemeny@...> wrote:

I posted a while ago about my excellent experience upgrading the original HDD to a 128gig SSD. The best part of it really has been the access speed. It's instant, and I'm a bit confused about just why it is so much faster. There is zero delay on menu scrolling and task shifting or anything else that relies on HDD access. I wonder if there's something else that used to be adding a tremendous amount of latency, and whatever it was has gone away as a result of this upgrade…?

128g is a lot, but with all of the stuff I'm throwing on there (all sorts of CDs and DVDs and stored performances and so on), it's going to fill up eventually. It doesn't make sense to pick up a 256g or 512g SSD every few years… would be better to just plug in something external and upgrade that as needed. The issue is accessing that space as part of one big file system… and I'm not entirely clear on how to make that work.

One possibility is to expand the active file system into one big virtual one that incorporates the current SSD and also the external storage. One would require access at the root unix level to make that happen, but assuming the external drive is handled the same as the other I/O devices, it can be made to work. Has anyone done anything like that?

It occurs to me that, done properly, a cloud-storage of all sorts of (non-copyrighted) material could be made available for anyone to seamlessly access. It might be a challenge to get Yamaha involved, but Kevin's DKVBrowser could itself point to a pre-defined globally-shared file system… that'd be really cool.

…..HK

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Re: [disklavier] DKVs using iOS and OSX

2013-06-27 by Richard Banks

Boy..  
Some people take themselves a little too seriously .. 

Sent from my iPhone

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On Jun 27, 2013, at 10:41 AM, Horatio Kemeny <hkemeny@...> wrote:

> Spencer, I think we'll have to disagree on your conclusions. I'm not sure what to make of your statement that someone who knows a piece of music too well might actually be impairing their ability to experience it fully. I would submit the exact opposite.
> 
> 
> As a very simple experiment, do this. Find some obscure piece you've never heard, something for a quartet or quintet. Listen to the piece two or three times. Although you'll be noticing little things each subsequent time, it's pretty much the same piece.
> 
> Now listen to it again, but specifically focus on only one instrument. Violin, cello, whatever. Do this for all the different instruments (which I why I suggest something with less instrumentation). After listening to the last isolated instrument, now listen again, at the whole thing. You will hear everything the composer intended, and you've done so by familiarizing yourself with every nuance, not how it sounds as a whole, but independently. But the human brain is fantastic at combining all that information, creating a whole that's far bigger than the sum of the parts. Indeed, that's what good music is… so to go after professional musicians as being too close to the music to truly appreciate it… well, no.
> 
> On the other topic, I'm not sure ahas the Android app does. The iPhone app allows pretty much all of the control available, including the ability to search and access all of the stored content… in a very convenient and intuitive manner.
> 
> While on that topic I have a question regarding the internal HDD, but that belongs in its own thread… I'll write a separate message.
> 
> …..HK
> 
> 
> On Jun 27, 2013, at 8:58 AM, Spencer Chase <lists@...> wrote:
> 
>>  
>> I guess I am just jealous ebcause I don't have an Iphone. seriously, the few times I used my Android to control the piano were just to "impress" guests and as you suggest,they were more impressed with the technology than the music.  I have found that very few people really care to listen to music other than as background. generally, i find background music annoying even if it is great music. i feel like a hearing impaired person (which i will be at some point because it runs in my family) who is missing a lot and prefer to just have conversation with friends without the distraction. when i     do listen to music i often change my decision as to what to listen to next based on how i responded to what i last heard and like to have a clear large display and all the tools media monkey has to offer to make the browsing and choices easier. if i had a better memory or better touchscreen skills maybe i could get by with a phone. i am amazed at my niece's ability to navigate her phone. i can find things faster on my computer or tablet but she is a close     second. 
>> 
>> i probably responded too snarkily because it annoys me that there is so much great music and that most people only get a small part of it by not listening. i now understand the frustration of my high school music teachers. it has been proven in several recent studies that people are much worse at multi tasking than they think and that the people who think they are good at it are usually the worst. if you are a professional musician and have heard a piece a million times, you might be able to hear it and even evaluate it critically while engaged in conversation but i still think you can not really experience it fully as a complex communication between the composer and listener. 
>> 
>> On 6/27/2013 8:26 AM, Edward Mitoma wrote:
>>>  
>>> Wow Horatio is sensitive!
>>> 
>>> I use multiple methods...PC, Mac and iOS devices.  For seriously listening and yes backround music at parties.  The phone is simply a much easier way to do this.  I have               a larger file system accessible by computer.  But controlling  Disklavier Radio via iOS is just much more convenient.   That is why someone would want to use a phone.  Plus it amazes your friends even more than the amazing piano does on it's own.  Snarky is as snarky does...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>> -- 
>> Best regards, Spencer Chase
>> 67550-Bell Springs Rd.
>> Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
>> Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
>> Spencer@...
>> http://www.spencerserolls.com
>> (707) 984-8356 
>> (425) 791-0309
>> 
> 
>

Re: [disklavier] DKVs using iOS and OSX

2013-06-27 by Spencer Chase

i think you misunderstood one point i was trying to make. i was saying that someone who knows a piece very well might be able to analyze it with ongoing distractions but could not appreciate it fully under those conditions. i was not saying that a deep or sophisticated understanding detracts from the ability to enjoy it. as you say, the opposite is true. the more you know about music and a piece in particular, the more chance you have of appreciating and enjoying it on many levels. if you are distracted by conversation or extraneous noise, you might be able to pick up some of the music and even appreciate it to some extent but not fully unless you are listening to the music without distraction.

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On 6/27/2013 10:41 AM, Horatio Kemeny wrote:

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Spencer, I think we'll have to disagree on your conclusions. I'm not sure what to make of your statement that someone who knows a piece of music too well might actually be impairing their ability to experience it fully. I would submit the exact opposite.

As a very simple experiment, do this. Find some obscure piece you've never heard, something for a quartet or quintet. Listen to the piece two or three times. Although you'll be noticing little things each subsequent time, it's pretty much the same piece.

Now listen to it again, but specifically focus on only one instrument. Violin, cello, whatever. Do this for all the different instruments (which I why I suggest something with less instrumentation). After listening to the last isolated instrument, now listen again, at the whole thing. You will hear everything the composer intended, and you've done so by familiarizing yourself with every nuance, not how it sounds as a whole, but independently. But the human brain is fantastic at combining all that information, creating a whole that's far bigger than the sum of the parts. Indeed, that's what good music is\ufffd so to go after professional musicians as being too close to the music to truly appreciate it\ufffd well, no.

On the other topic, I'm not sure ahas the Android app does. The iPhone app allows pretty much all of the control available, including the ability to search and access all of the stored content\ufffd in a very convenient and intuitive manner.

While on that topic I have a question regarding the internal HDD, but that belongs in its own thread\ufffd I'll write a separate message.

\ufffd..HK

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67550-Bell Springs Rd.
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Re: [disklavier] DKVs using iOS and OSX

2013-06-27 by Spencer Chase

not sure i know what you mean by this.

On 6/27/2013 12:40 PM, Richard Banks wrote:
> Boy..
> Some people take themselves a little too seriously ..
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 27, 2013, at 10:41 AM, Horatio Kemeny <hkemeny@... 
> <mailto:hkemeny@...>> wrote:
>
>> Spencer, I think we'll have to disagree on your conclusions. I'm not 
>> sure what to make of your statement that someone who knows a piece of 
>> music too well might actually be impairing their ability to 
>> experience it fully. I would submit the exact opposite.
>>
>>
>> As a very simple experiment, do this. Find some obscure piece you've 
>> never heard, something for a quartet or quintet. Listen to the piece 
>> two or three times. Although you'll be noticing little things each 
>> subsequent time, it's pretty much the same piece.
>>
>> Now listen to it again, but specifically focus on only one 
>> instrument. Violin, cello, whatever. Do this for all the different 
>> instruments (which I why I suggest something with less 
>> instrumentation). After listening to the last isolated instrument, 
>> now listen again, at the whole thing. You will hear everything the 
>> composer intended, and you've done so by familiarizing yourself with 
>> every nuance, not how it sounds as a whole, but independently. But 
>> the human brain is fantastic at combining all that information, 
>> creating a whole that's far bigger than the sum of the parts. Indeed, 
>> that's what good music is\u2026 so to go after professional musicians as 
>> being too close to the music to truly appreciate it\u2026 well, no.
>>
>> On the other topic, I'm not sure ahas the Android app does. The 
>> iPhone app allows pretty much all of the control available, including 
>> the ability to search and access all of the stored content\u2026 in a very 
>> convenient and intuitive manner.
>>
>> While on that topic I have a question regarding the internal HDD, but 
>> that belongs in its own thread\u2026 I'll write a separate message.
>>
>> \u2026..HK
>>
>>
>> On Jun 27, 2013, at 8:58 AM, Spencer Chase <lists@... 
>> <mailto:lists@...>> wrote:
>>
>>> I guess I am just jealous ebcause I don't have an Iphone. seriously, 
>>> the few times I used my Android to control the piano were just to 
>>> "impress" guests and as you suggest,they were more impressed with 
>>> the technology than the music.  I have found that very few people 
>>> really care to listen to music other than as background. generally, 
>>> i find background music annoying even if it is great music. i feel 
>>> like a hearing impaired person (which i will be at some point 
>>> because it runs in my family) who is missing a lot and prefer to 
>>> just have conversation with friends without the distraction. when i 
>>> do listen to music i often change my decision as to what to listen 
>>> to next based on how i responded to what i last heard and like to 
>>> have a clear large display and all the tools media monkey has to 
>>> offer to make the browsing and choices easier. if i had a better 
>>> memory or better touchscreen skills maybe i could get by with a 
>>> phone. i am amazed at my niece's ability to navigate her phone. i 
>>> can find things faster on my computer or tablet but she is a close 
>>> second.
>>>
>>> i probably responded too snarkily because it annoys me that there is 
>>> so much great music and that most people only get a small part of it 
>>> by not listening. i now understand the frustration of my high school 
>>> music teachers. it has been proven in several recent studies that 
>>> people are much worse at multi tasking than they think and that the 
>>> people who think they are good at it are usually the worst. if you 
>>> are a professional musician and have heard a piece a million times, 
>>> you might be able to hear it and even evaluate it critically while 
>>> engaged in conversation but i still think you can not really 
>>> experience it fully as a complex communication between the composer 
>>> and listener.
>>>
>>> On 6/27/2013 8:26 AM, Edward Mitoma wrote:
>>>> Wow Horatio is sensitive!
>>>>
>>>> I use multiple methods...PC, Mac and iOS devices.  For seriously 
>>>> listening and yes backround music at parties.  The phone is simply 
>>>> a much easier way to do this.  I have a larger file system 
>>>> accessible by computer.  But controlling  Disklavier Radio via iOS 
>>>> is just much more convenient.   That is why someone would want to 
>>>> use a phone.  Plus it amazes your friends even more than the 
>>>> amazing piano does on it's own.  Snarky is as snarky does...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Best regards, Spencer Chase
>>> 67550-Bell Springs Rd.
>>> Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
>>> Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
>>> Spencer@...
>>> http://www.spencerserolls.com
>>> (707) 984-8356
>>> (425) 791-0309
>>>
>>
> 

-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550-Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...
http://www.spencerserolls.com
(707) 984-8356
(425) 791-0309